Rolling Race 2021

it’s used as racial code by white people on the left and the right now, afaict. Stevolende, in its original usage by Black people, it wasn’t sarcastic or a veiled insult.

The phenomenon of white people taking slang/argot coined by Black people and weaponizing into something negative is long and storied and never-ending

(See for example “yaaaaas”)

This is why I only adopt slang that was obviously invented by shitty gamers, like “cuck” and “simp” (actually I don’t do that either)

Using slang isn’t de facto bad but taking slang terms that were meant to convey a positive idea and turning them into shorthand insults gets very old very quickly

history of the phrase "identity politics" is telling & v unflattering to whiter maler parts of The Left

A lot of the pushback against "woke" on the left (that I see in my IG feed, at least) is from Black people, though— it's excoriating the performative "wokeness" of white middle-class progressives as being mere platitudes. But that might just be my feed, I've seen it used in the ways the rest of you are describing, too.

Would you agree that it’s qualitatively and substantively different when people in group A use specific, self-coined language to say “you aren’t helping us” and people in group B use that same specific language to say “you aren’t helping group A”, particularly when accosting members of group A?

Inasmuch as black people are now critiquing its use, they’re critiquing the perversion of it by white people afaict

It’s not like they were mad at Erykah Badu’s use of it on New Amerykah Part One in 2008

When right wing whites use it, it’s a handy substitute for the n word that they can say on the news, which is pretty disgusting perversion of the word given its origin.

DJP, absolutely.

And when left wing whites use it, there’s an implicit contempt for thing racism seriously as bourgeois or neoliberal or whatever, which, again, is a pretty disgusting perversion

I think it’s pretty hard to salvage the original, positive sincere use of it in such an environment, at least in mixed company, which is a shame.

Yeah, I mean, I was just bringing up one of the main ways I see it used. Not defending its use by post-left edgelord fucks.

Sorry, “thing” should be “taking” in my second to last post

thieving motherfuckers take everything

This is why I only adopt slang that was obviously invented by shitty gamers, like “cuck” and “simp” (actually I don’t do that either)

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lol thats not the origin of those words either (maybe thats the joke?)

Used to like thg e word Kuk which I think was car culture slang for squares or something but god Cuck what a sign of toxic masculinity.
Heard it was also a fetish of sorts.

Toxic masculinity especially toxic white masculinity kinda sucks big moose eh.
Oh so topical recently and on this thread.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/20/white-people-black-authors-are-not-your-medicine
interview from this weekend's Guardian review with Yaa Gyasi despairing about the limited progress in race relations even when on surface it is looking hopeful.

I was wondering how one would combat or dismantle racism and thinking that a lot of the idea of white superiority had to be dispensed with i.e.unlearnt and it would be better if it was a more universal thing than being an individual choice so how one would carry out a process like that. If it might be something that could be dispensed through other processes. It would be good if it could be dispensed through the tap water or some other agency but I can see that taht would only ever be a metaphorical thing and how one could find a ground zero without knocking other things down alongside it, though maybe they would need to go too.
But that would still leave a level of great injustice that had been carried out in the name of this so called superiority over the last few centuries which would still need to be addressed. & that too is unlikely while there are still vestiges of thought that think of things like deserving/undeserving poor and subsequent imbalances as somehow justified.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/white-headmaster-kneeling-long-island/index.html

what the hell re: this entire story

how are you going to punish a kid for doing his homework
how are you going to send a kid to the headmaster's office for doing his homework
how are you going to make a kid kneel in apology for DOING HIS HOMEWORK
why aren't they naming the headmaster, John Holian, in this story

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/marianist-school-kneel-headmaster-1.50191293

Another version of the story that names the headmaster and shows his picture

christ what an asshole

jfc

Gotta love that "this is the African way to apologize" is what he came up with to explain his actions after being called out.

Is that from some other media somewhere? H Rider Haggard or the Lion King or something?
or is it simple fruit loopery.

it's in the news story; he claims a Nigerian father made his son kneel when apologizing, ergo now all Black people must kneel when apologizing otherwise it isn't sincere to him

particularly valid when the offense is *checks notes* being ahead on your schoolwork

The headmaster, who is not being named by CNN

Yeah, that is very weird. It almost sounds like the "don't name mass shooters" thing, except that that obviously doesn't apply.

this seems like a good way to frame this going forward
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1263216

It’s been three months exactly since we watched — on live television — as supporters of former President Donald Trump climbed past barricades, shattered windows and besieged the U.S. Capitol. The president’s name echoed through the corridors of Congress as the insurrectionists unleashed their frustration at a nation they feared would soon no longer be recognizable to them, a rallying cry to defend the man who had positioned himself as their savior.

Since then, we’ve come to learn a lot about the mob that ripped through the building that day. And, vitally, a new study shows that this wasn’t just a group of people primed to believe the election had been stolen. These weren’t just people wracked with economic anxiety, as previously assumed. It wasn’t even mostly made up of members of the far-right’s front-line groups. What we witnessed was a race riot.

I mean, duh

I feel like Black people have been screaming this into the void for the past 5-6 years

TS: MSNBC vs The Void

Yeah, real statement of the obvious there.

But, amazingly, there are millions of Americans for whom the obvious is not obvious. For those people, it wold help to have some semi-authoritative voice repeating it endlessly, until they absorb it enough that it becomes obvious to them, too.

The people who need to hear this will not accept the author of this piece as a semi-authoritative voice.

I slightly disagree. Those who need to hear it are not the racists who rioted. They are unreachable. The mushy white middle who are unaccustomed to thinking in these terms and whose thinking about race is grounded on comfortable ignorance might include some who would accept the author as semi-authoritative, if only because the author was 'sponsored' by a huge corporate white-owned media entity.

The people who need to hear this are not consuming information from MSNBC

Take who you can get.

The people who need to hear this are not consuming information from anywhere.

Depending on your definition of 'information', sure.

ugh idk why this of all things sets me off. maybe it’s the chinstroky nature of the framing, as if this is a purely academic inquiry that like “merits further study” or possibly the self-important “now I, a person whose opinions are important, see things differently...”

gonna log off for a bit I think - this has pushed me over some stupid edge

pomemitul (and everyone) *of course*

I’m just seeing too much red to respond to this thoughtfully. as noted, gonna step away.

best way to approach this from a personal perspective imo would be to present the capital riots in shorthand as "seditionist race riots" whenever discussing them and see who pushes back

a good inevitable latter half "how it started/how it's going" photo
http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Image2-resized.jpg

this should require a link to the "how do you wipe your ass" thread

you don't see the leaves?

actually the confederate flag gets usage in the follow-up picture

I would never desecrate my ass by rubbing it on a filthy Confederate flag

I hear you, but there are ways of making sure it only comes into contact with the expellable contents of one's ass.

Uh, what the fuck is this?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/04/27/louisiana-lawmaker-argues-schools-must-teach-good-of-slavery/