i've typed and then forgotten my love of the earlier stuff, but i believe it's just something like- love everything through R Plus 7- his first recordings through Returnal are very much of a piece and beautiful and still, somehow, underrated i think. what i love about this period is hard for me to find in his newer albums. i think he's moved on, and that's ok. he left many hours of great recordings to document this period-Replica is brilliant. it is different than what came for, pointed toward what came next. I wish he would have stayed in this mode for juuuuuust a bit longer.- R Plus 7 is also different than what came before, or after. It took me a while to love it, but I do now.- everything afterward has been a struggle for me, and something where i return to specific tracks or sequences of tracks rather than just putting the album on
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
Agree with Karl on pretty much everything (except I loved R+7 right away)
― lukas, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
I'm with Karl too, but I really love most of GoD. Everything after that has been lukewarm at best. Took me a while to get into R+7 as well. Replica was an instant classic and wish there was more of that era.
Everything up to Returnal has luscious retro-futurist component perfected that he's now trying to force into a pop framework. I feel that music would make an interesting soundtrack to a hypothetical production of Neuromancer or something. Very cinematic (which predicts his move into scoring films)
― octobeard, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:25 (three years ago) link
I get lost in the Rifts stuff too, but it's kind of like 2008-2009 James Ferraro...yeah, it would be cool if he returned to that sound for a while, but on the other hand there's so much of it there, I'm not sure what else he's getting out of his Juno at this point
can definitely understand why people don't like his last two, but I don't really get the criticism that they're "too pop"...maybe I'm way behind on my pop music but I don't know what else sounds like this exactly
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:31 (three years ago) link
I don't like the new one at all— think it's the most bland of his entire output.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link
xp definitely not "too pop" (although i may criticized the vocals above, so i can see how it would seem that way). i definitely do not hate what he's doing now, it's in the zone of "i appreciate it a lot but it's not for me". don't want him to return to Returnal either, because yeah, he Returnaled the crap out of the Returnal/Rifts vibe in ways that I can Returnal to again and again. Just kind of waiting for him to go out of fashion and then change again
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:33 (three years ago) link
pretty much how I feel too, karl. Replica is so awesome. I kinda had a feeling he would be going in some weird directions when that one came out. haven’t enjoyed it all but it’s at least been interesting.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link
I don't really get the criticism that they're "too pop"
It's a relative term for me. Harmonic, lyrical vocals structured in a chorus/verse form feel pop, regardless of timbrel experimentalism (see Radiohead's Kid A, the track for example). In that way, to me there's been a gradual push in that direction starting with GoD, when vocals were introduced with pop elements, though purely abstractly and with no lyrics. Age Of added lyrics. Now with Magic, you have at least one outright pop song! How is No Nightmares not outright pop? It's catchy, has a standard structure, and an autotuned Weeknd singing on it... I mean what else do you need to point to contemporary pop as a reference point? Yes the sonics are still tied back to elements of the OPN sound, but listen to any song on Replica, and then revisit No Nightmares.
Subjectively, I will say Age Of was poorly executed, and Magic is much better at integrating pop components into the sound, but what I loved about OPN and how I got into Lopatin's work was not because of pop at all, and I now seek out different artists to scratch the itch his work used to. Lopatin's still talented, but I do feel there's an identity crisis going on with the recent work.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link
btw, in case anyone goes back to Returnal, the first track "Nil Admirari" is kind of a fake out. it's hellish. I just listened to it at top volume on headphones, and it's maybe the ONLY time it has made sense to me, and that's because of my personal situation. it sounds like living hell, but you get used to it. then it morphs into something else. it's great, but maybe puts off people who don't OPN. if you're a person that starts on track 1 (like me), it gives the exact opposite impression of what the rest of it is
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
xp brimstead
have you tried R+7 much? it was the last one that seemed to follow up on some of those editing/found sound/repetitive/musique concrete stuff in Returnal
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
I agree and I think a lot of that crop of vaporwave/progressive electronic musicians are finding themselves in that spot right now. James Ferraro's new stuff gives me that same feeling, I just don't quite get what he's trying to do anymore. I don't really know where OPN is right now, the album is kind of schizophrenic and I've noticed it seems to reference pieces of everything he's done in the past, which doesn't make much sense as a whole. But I'm still enjoying it.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
in Returnal
in Replica, i meant!
sorry, listening to Returnal now and had it in my head
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link
His whole catalog is p good to great. 'Garden of Delete' and 'Age Of' are the best tho
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 15:09 (three years ago) link
wow
― lukas, Thursday, 18 March 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
I know I've banged on about this before, but y'all need to hunker down with the Good Time soundtrack
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link
my subjective opinion is that anyone who thinks the new one is better than Age of has no idea what they're talking about, "Babylon" alone is better than anything on "Magic"
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:31 (three years ago) link
facts
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
my dumb opinion is that he really hasn't put out anything I dislike
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:53 (three years ago) link
btw, in case anyone goes back to Returnal, the first track "Nil Admirari" is kind of a fake out. it's hellish.
aw, I've always liked this one! he's pretty good at harsh noise! not that it's particularly difficult to be "pretty good at harsh noise"...
remember interpreting it as some kinda "I'm on mego now, so here's some digital noise" thing at the time
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:36 (three years ago) link
I mean that track is exhilarating. The ascending tones starting around 2:45? The contrast with the next couple tracks is delicious, also.
― lukas, Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:43 (three years ago) link
it is VERY good. i won't repeat my depresso shit on yet another thread, but life fucking sucks, basically. and last night i was listening to returnal on headphones and listened to at full blast, and it is very, VERY good. it resonated with me more than just about anything could in that moment. but yes, it is hellish
xp
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
all i meant is that it's a hard album to recommend to someone because for 99% listeners you have to tell them to skip that track
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
and the remaining noize people already know 0pn duh
I love that track. I also heartily endorse listening to GoD on a good system— my first experience with it was driving down the 5 from Redding to the Bay, and it was...psychedelic, I almost drove off the road a few times lol.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
This is a good insight. It was exciting to hear he was going to be on Mego, the (great) cover art get me even more hyped, and track 1 delivered.
― lukas, Thursday, 18 March 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link
I almost drove off the road a few times lol.
sounds awesome! and what a way to go!
gaaaaaardeeen oooof deleeeeeeeeee_phWOOOOOOSH
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 March 2021 22:03 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/oudELOC.png
― calstars, Friday, 19 March 2021 00:15 (three years ago) link
oh hell yeah
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 March 2021 00:19 (three years ago) link
hurrrryyyyyy boyyyyyyyy she's waitinnnng there for youuuuuuuuuuuu
― class project pat (m bison), Friday, 19 March 2021 02:22 (three years ago) link
Be real, it doesn't matter anyway
You know it's just too little too late
― frogbs, Friday, 19 March 2021 02:23 (three years ago) link
doooo you everrrrrr see in yourrrrr dreamsalll the castles in the sky (the sky) (the sky) (the sky)
― class project pat (m bison), Friday, 19 March 2021 02:26 (three years ago) link
...I know that doorshuts, just before...
― J. Sam, Friday, 19 March 2021 03:10 (three years ago) link
he's doing an Essential Mix tomorrow, should be good https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000t6z6
― Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Friday, 19 March 2021 13:12 (three years ago) link
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:51 PM (yesterday)
table, want to see something really embarrassing that is related to the idea of music making you want to drive a car off a road?
http://www.artofthemix.org/FindAMix/getcontents2.aspx?strMixID=22223
that was the first mix i submitted to that website! i was 22. it's really bad, but in the description i wrote
"Regarding the last song...the first part of it is the chorus of Life in a Glasshouse, played backwards. I made it so the sound gets louder and louder as the sound washes over you, panned right to left. Then, as it fades to the left, an excerpt of Pharoah's Dance, looped, and heavily echoed, fades in, panned right, than to the left. As the sound of Pharoah's Dance is fading away to the left,Life in a Glasshouse fades back in from the right, and whole process repeats, over and over, for about15 minutes. I guess this is kind of strange, but it sort of hypnotizes me, in fact, I've almost wrecked my car several times listening to it."
have i gotten smarter or dumber in the last 19 years? treading water, probably, but i wish i could find that old tape because i now have zero recollection of what that sounded like
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 March 2021 23:51 (three years ago) link
I find all of his music (past and current) to be too exhausting to approach these days
― Bongo Jongus, Saturday, 20 March 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link
love these U tracks off the essential mix
― nxd, Sunday, 21 March 2021 13:27 (three years ago) link
'Long Road Home' is great - not so into the rest of the new album.
'Physical Memory' is the best long OPN track. Actually interested in why he hasn't made many long pieces (whether layers on loop or something more progressive).
― nashwan, Sunday, 21 March 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
I love that, Karl Malone!
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 22 March 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
this guy is a really cool artist, and I don't want to downplay his contribution to R Plus Seven, but shouldn't he give some credit to Georges Schwizgebel?
Y’all are gonna make me open the Photoshop file and show you the layers before you’ll believe I made this image huh? https://t.co/ZgZPKZjQWF— Robert Beatty (@EdSunspot) November 30, 2021
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 23:53 (two years ago) link
I follow him on IG and enjoy his art. Did not know he was “responsible” for the R+7 cover. Is it not literally just a screenshot from that short film, maybe slightly cleaned up? Weird to get combative about.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 00:23 (two years ago) link
yes, I follow him too and I find it very weird to frame it like this without mentioning the artist who created the original image
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 00:36 (two years ago) link
Setlist from last night… just getting warmed up, more rebuilds to come 🤓 pic.twitter.com/ofeGXdZThL— oneohtrix point never (@0PN) August 13, 2022
anybody have any idea what the hell he's talking about, I see no evidence he's on tour
― death generator (lukas), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 23:41 (one year ago) link
not sure, it's electronicon this weekend but didn't think he was involved this year
― nxd, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 23:54 (one year ago) link
ugh it was a web3 festival
https://fest.fwb.help/
(which kinda makes sense since Nate Boyce has been super into selling NFTs)
― death generator (lukas), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 01:57 (one year ago) link
gross but not unexpected
gross
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 01:59 (one year ago) link
goddamnit well I hope he and the other artists culled some serious $ from these cons
― octobeard, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 02:23 (one year ago) link
At any rate, literal dream setlist
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 03:48 (one year ago) link
I bet they did, I've read a few times that nobody wants to do these events so they have to pay amounts that an artist would be insane to pass up
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 03:55 (one year ago) link
Oh fuck no.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/27/fwbfest-crypto-artisits-idyllwild/
The group photo in this reeks of moneyed Williamsburg residents circa 2002 transported forward 20 years. Age has made them all look even creepier now than they did back then.
― Position Position, Monday, 29 August 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link
good former ilxor cameo in there
bummed that josh eustis from telefon tel aviv fell for this bullshit, always seemed like a sensible dude.
― adam, Monday, 29 August 2022 16:02 (one year ago) link