Why don't they get people or songs with personality for the UK entry, ever. I can't remember the last time. This is going to get some random votes here and there and otherwise people will have forgot about it after listening to 15 other tracks and artists that pop more.
― abcfsk, Thursday, 11 March 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link
ain’t half bad as UK entries go. it at least sounds like some run of the mill, slightly outdated UK pop instead of like some shit like it usually does
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 11 March 2021 20:36 (three years ago) link
valiant effort by Daði Freyr to catch lightning in a bottle twice:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORDK1XQToAYDaði og Gagnamagnið • 10 Years
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 14 March 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
yeah :(
― Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Sunday, 14 March 2021 23:34 (three years ago) link
I know Eurovision 2020 didn't really happen, but new thread?
in many ways it’s the same edition: same host city, most of the artists are the same.I could ask une mod to adjust the thread title accordingly, “Eurovision 2020 —-> 2021” or something.
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 15 March 2021 06:44 (three years ago) link
should have added a question mark there, it’s a suggestion after all. hope snoball, the thread starter, can shine their light on the matter
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 15 March 2021 07:49 (three years ago) link
I can change the title to that if you want, I guess it might make sense? I don't have strong feelings either way.
I found 'Think About Things' fairly cloying, I think this one might be more so.
― emil.y, Monday, 15 March 2021 08:25 (three years ago) link
ESC enthusiasts, cast your votes or vetoes before douze heures or yours is losing game, I say!
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:57 (three years ago) link
I don't have strong feelings either way.
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 15 March 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link
Adding 2021 to the thread title is fine by me. Most countries seem to be sending the same acts, just different songs.
― Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Monday, 15 March 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
what's another year?
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 21 March 2021 20:56 (three years ago) link
thanx emil.y!
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 21 March 2021 22:09 (three years ago) link
solid post-Netta effort from Russia:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l01wa2ChX64
― Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Sunday, 21 March 2021 23:10 (three years ago) link
France really really reminds me of something else - either that or it got stuck in my head already after two listens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9t_SwPN31s
― Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Sunday, 21 March 2021 23:15 (three years ago) link
“Шум/Shum”, “Russian Woman” and Azerbaijan’s “Mata Hari” are sort of triangled in my mind:“Шум/Shum” and “Russian Woman” are connected through their use of folk melodies, “Russian Woman” and “Mata Hari” through their Arabic/Anatolian elements, and “Mata Hari” connects back to “Шум/Shum” through the metal-like noise (шум means exactly that, and just listen to the final 20 seconds of “Mata Hari”!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSiZmR1c7Q4Efendi • Mata Hari(my current favourite)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7-dxzp6JvsGo_A • Shum (this is the official ESC version, shorter and somewhat toned down from the 4’ version emil.y posted upthread)
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 29 March 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
the triangle works geographically as well: RUS ^ - - - - - - v vUKR <- - - - - - - - - - > AZE
(it does in Zing anyway lol)
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 29 March 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link
all 39* entries in 14 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6FU4wPI-ng
(Belarus was disqualified for being too political, twice,Armenia decided to withdraw its entry because of the political crisis in the country)
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 29 March 2021 20:14 (three years ago) link
audiences (Dutch only) will be allowed (unless conditions deteriorate):https://www.escdaily.com/dutch-government-allows-reduced-amount-of-audience-at-eurovision-2021/
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:16 (three years ago) link
So, I had some thoughts on some of the entries:
😈💅 New Episode 💅😈 @nedraggett joins us to chat about the devils in the details of the #Eurovision entries from #Slovenia, #Sweden, #Cyprus, #Norway, #Croatia, and #Belgium. #OpenUp your podcast apps and have a listen to one hell of an episode! https://t.co/WqVtqhaEpP— The EuroWhat? Podcast (@EuroWhat) April 6, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/18/russias-eurovision-entry-to-be-investigated-for-lyrcslol
― scanner darkly, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link
I'm surprised (and happy) to see that the Hooverphonic are still around and are the Belgian entry. It seems so random!
― daavid, Thursday, 8 April 2021 03:26 (three years ago) link
I am kind of obsessed with Mata Hari as well. That chorus is massive! Can anyone recommend artist/songs in the same vein (i.e. Europop with Middle Eastern flourishes)? I'm a little disconnected from ILM so I'm unaware if there's already a thread for it.
― daavid, Thursday, 8 April 2021 03:47 (three years ago) link
Europop with Middle Eastern flourishes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF9BcOvBwfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKgojZqO5Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdxOCTezeTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bridO-wD7c8
― Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Thursday, 8 April 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link
inexact application of "Middle Eastern" but first few things that came to mind
― Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Thursday, 8 April 2021 21:02 (three years ago) link
Those are: Inga & Anush • Jan-Jan (Armenia, 2009)Hadise • Düm Tek Tek (Turkey, 2009)Nadav Guedj • Golden Boy (Israel, 2015)Sirusho • Qélé, Qélé (Armenia, 2008)
thanks for posting these, seandalai – didn’t really have those older ones handy in my mind!
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 19:22 (three years ago) link
the current gold standard for this is Eleni Foureira’s fantastic “Fuego” (Cyprus), which should have won in 2018 over Netta’s “Toy” (and would have, if Eleni wouldn’t have been overcome with nerves in the final over the prospect). of this year’s contenders, “Mata Hari” and San Marino’s “Adrenalina” (see upthread) are following in this song’s footsteps. feel the fire an let your pelican fly:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54PHdAEmJkM
that thrilling davul/zurna hook makes it. it’s a combination of instruments that is traditionally used in wedding music all over the Balkans, the Eastern Mediterranean, Anatolia and the Kaukasus, part of the Ottoman footprint in the region (as well as that of the Romani in the Balkans possibly?). of course Eurovision is just the tip of this iceberg, there are whole (thriving) genres that can be traced back to this imprint. check for example: Bulgarian chalga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalga and Romanian manele: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manele.
Anyways, I don’t think there’s much to be found on any of this on ILM (unless it’s buried somewhere in some oughties thread or other). I do post the occasional Türkpop banger here: I don't like Turkish music, or do I?
as for “Toy”, you may remember it for its chorus, but listen to the beats/percussion in the verses: it has its fair share of Middle Easternness, like most Israeli entries these days - see “Golden Boy” above and this year’s “Set Me Free” by Eden, which features Arabic strings in the mix. there’s Arabic flourishes in “Russian Woman” as well, as I mentioned above.And then there’s the Albanian entry, “Karma” by Anxhela Peristeri, (quoting Wikipedia here) “a dramatic ethnic Balkan-inspired pop ballad combining modern and traditional Albanian elements.” – which means large parts also sound very Turkish. they forgot to mention the trap section tho! needless to say I love it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4D_RfEFwd4
it's the opposite of a banger, but Ukraine’s 2016 ESC winner, Jamala’s beautiful “1944”, deserves a mention as well. from Wikipedia: “The song's chorus, in the Crimean language, is made up of words from a Crimean Tatar folk song called "Ey Güzel Qırım" that Jamala had heard from her great-grandmother, reflecting on the loss of a youth which could not be spent in her homeland. The song features the duduk [...] and the use of the mugham vocal style.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-rnM-MwRHY
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
Thank you, seandalai and breastcrawl!
:)
― daavid, Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:18 (three years ago) link
This is exactly what I was looking for.
― daavid, Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:24 (three years ago) link
Ooh, thanks for the tips on chalga and manele, breastcrawl. I'm into this stuff but tend to find it very sporadically and semi-randomly, so it's good to have some search terms to use to go investigating myself.
― emil.y, Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:36 (three years ago) link
you’re welcome, emil.y (and daavid of course!)I would probably find lots to love in these genres, but I never got around to really checking them out.bonus, because related: Omar Souleyman, who brought Syrian wedding music to the masses at Western rock festivals a decade ago
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:53 (three years ago) link
he's got his own (busy, one time) thread: so this omar souleyman guy (RFI, RFD)
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:54 (three years ago) link
Thanks again, breastcrawl. I'll check it out.
I may start a thread about this (I still don't know what to call it), but in the meantime I'm sharing a short playlist (the product of a couple of late night YouTube rabbit holes) of the kind of stuff I've been looking for (don't even know what to call it). Comprises stuff from North Africa, Eastern Europe and the Middle East: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6zyXmG5g9xEpDzbHi1waRQQWDk8WC7YH
― daavid, Saturday, 10 April 2021 22:24 (three years ago) link
very cool, lots of Albanian stuff there, look forward to checking those out!(and you already gave it a name!)j’adoooore “Meleğim”, an Algerian singer/rapper and a French-Congolese singer doing a Francophone Arabic pop song with a Turkish title, with a video shot in Istanbul, superbeI didn’t know Sura İskenderli! “Dinle” goes hard, amazing!
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 23:08 (three years ago) link
Yes, I am now realizing most of these songs are Albanian.
― daavid, Saturday, 10 April 2021 23:20 (three years ago) link
do start that thread, it will be fun!(and it will probably find its course, even if you’re not quite sure of the premise)
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 23:49 (three years ago) link
Done! A thread for pop with Arabic influences from the Balkans, Transcaucasia, North Africa and the Middle East
― daavid, Sunday, 11 April 2021 02:37 (three years ago) link
Also discovering a few great Chalga and Manele tracks!
― daavid, Sunday, 11 April 2021 03:02 (three years ago) link
20% attendance (3,500 people) allowed at every show:https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-song-contest-fieldlab
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 30 April 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link
Dutch TV showed the 1970 edition (also held in the Netherlands) late last night, as part of the buildup to this year’s contest.the whole affair was over within 75 minutes, no frills that I could see, and frankly (and quite surprisingly to me) poor quality almost across the board. guess I liked Katja Epstein best, and of course it’s quite fascinating to see Julio Iglesias make his international debut.turns out it’s on YouTube as well:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNoNzN12ecU
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 9 May 2021 10:14 (two years ago) link
Okay, four hours to the first semifinal! And it'll actually be properly streamed over here thanks to the Peacock service.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 15:03 (two years ago) link
Jesus, the announcements almost killed me. I was so sure Ukraine were going out.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 21:06 (two years ago) link
Yeah that was rough
― abcfsk, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link
Go_AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
― Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 21:11 (two years ago) link
Yeah I was about to explode on that front. Whew, in a word. (My four faves from this bunch all went through -- them, Lithuania, Belgium, Malta. Shame about Australia, especially given some of the trash that DID go through.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 21:31 (two years ago) link
Either they saved the best three till last, or the drink was kicking in. Or probably both. I wasn’t bowled over by Lithuania, but perhaps I was still in warm up mode at that stage. Something seemed to go horribly wrong for Ireland - the staging at the end can’t have been what was planned, which may account for why she buried her head in her hands instead of graciously receiving such applause as there was. Predictions-wise, I got a better than usual 9/10: undervalued Lithuania, overvalued Macedonia’s appeal to the “musical theatre” niche.
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 22:04 (two years ago) link
Ukraine superb, Russia very good, Israel pretty decent, the rest more or less forgettable.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 22:10 (two years ago) link
Azerbaijan and Ukraine my favourites
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 22:44 (two years ago) link
I'm guessing Australia may have lost out a bit on not being actually present today nor on Saturday -- voters may have preferred all participants to actually be on stage?
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 23:53 (two years ago) link