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Yes when Gaiman was touting him

That’s exactly what I meant, thanks.

Some SNL guys and stand-up comedians too, iirc.

I don’t understand why it’s necessary to overstate Lafferty’s obscurity so hard (as that latest article does)

That’s why I asked when it was written, thought maybe it was an older article that popped again showing yesterday’s date.

Art book here

Lee Brown Coye - Pulp Macabre

This focuses on the last years of Coye's life (late 60s to early 80s), reprinting the complete illustrations of many of the books of that era by writers/editors like Hugh B Cave, Manly Wade Wellman and Les Daniels. The writing is largely about people like Robert Weinberg, Les Daniels, Karl Edward Wagner and Stuart David Schiff trying to keep alive and sometimes bring back the contributors to Weird Tales magazine who weren't being published by August Derleth/Arkham House. Derleth had utilized Coye before he died and Coye needed these people for the kind of work he wanted to do and found a larger and maybe more sympathetic audience than he had when he was drawing for Weird Tales.

I appreciated the short biographies because I knew very little about Weinberg and Daniels. I found some of the claims a bit exaggerated (I wouldn't consider Schiff that well known in the recent past and although Coye is very morbid, a lot of the writing seems to describe something even darker than he is) but I do agree that Coye might have been the greatest artist to come out the pulps and his vision was a great deal stronger than even a lot of the most celebrated horror artists.

What I appreciate most is the very late scratchy drawings, I don't think I had seen any of these and several of them are previously unpublished. I think it might be among his best work and I'm not sure how much this was a chosen direction for him and how much it was him struggling with his ill health, it is said he needed to relearn how to draw. 75 isn't so bad an age to die but I wish he got longer to explore this scratchy look.

This is a nice addition to Arts Unknown, most of us will never find or afford A Retrospective.

Seriously considering shelling out pretty good money for all 13 volumes of the Complete Stories of Theodore Sturgeon. Has anyone gotten any of these? I have a bad completism bug -- if I get one, I'll have FOMO if I don't get all of them.

Ha, that's one thing I don't quite have, I know I won't read all that, it's a disincentive.

I have heard that some of the earliest volumes are a bit rougher. I do have a similar bug but I'm more wary now because I am making my way through a few complete works collections and it's often a drag unless they have a small body of work or they have a reputation for always being interesting. I tend to find that even a lot of the greats are disappointing 2/3 of the time.

Yes, I think somebody even had a rule to that effect, can’t quite remember who.

lol

Microcosmic lol.

Anyway came here to say that as the Great Threadroller I am well aware that this thread is on ILB and concerns the written word but wanted to mention that I have recently been binge watching Babylon 5 which is really hitting the spot, lots of multi-year multi-season arcs that really pay off, really good writing and characters, but as far as I can tell only two other ILX0rs are fans and one of them just went into a borad beef-induced space-time anomaly. The thread is here Babylon 5, barely running along like a poorly crewed generation spaceship, and contains some super spoilers so don’t click on the hidden text!

i saw it and enjoyed it at the time and have all the dvds (although i can only see 1, 2, 3 on the shelves). and a lot of the daytime stuff that's been keeping me going has finished now, so i might have some capacity.

I watched it at the time, not religiously but enough to remember g'kar and londo, and to notice andreas katsulas when he popped up on st:tng. Don't have the dvds or hbo access or much time to spare.

been watching ‘counterpart’ — two ten-episode seasons of sci-fi/thrillerdom from a couple years back featuring j.k. simmons; quite like it so far

it’s set in berlin and has a vibe not unlike that of dave hutchinson’s ‘fractured europe’ series

jk simmons is a delight. and in counterpart you get two for the price of one!

the vaccine subplot ended up being pretty fuckin prescient

read n.k. jemison's 'the city we became', in which five people become the living avatars of the five boroughs of nyc and must band together to fight evil

fast-paced, a bit too rah-rah-greatest-city-in-the-world, and almost hilariously Not Subtle -- in some ways it's practically a book-length revenge fantasy. unclear how it's supposed to become a trilogy

loooool mean! I found it so easy to love and enter into! Also fuck Staten Island for real for real.

i'd never read any jemisin before that and i found it very compulsively readable. i agree about the rah-rah stuff, which was extreme to the point that i hesitated to recommend it to a friend who's an avid sci-fi/fantasy reader but doesn't live in nyc, but as a native ny-er i was cool with it lol

vc, read all the Jemision, seriously.

i didn't say i disliked it! and the revelation of the Evil's origins was neat, if not enough so to make me actually read lovecraft.

but, you know, rip wu-tang

yeah i would recommend the broken earth series

on my list. if it's like city we became, i'll probably tear through them

SP Somtow - Vampire Junction

I first heard of Somtow and this book in the additional recommendations at the back of Horror: 100 Best Books, his name stood out but so did the word "Junction", which is nothing like the words generally used in vampire titles. This is his most famous book (considered by many to be an early splatterpunk book), not his best, I've only read 4 of his books but the Inquestor series is on a higher plane.

Timmy Valentine is a 2000 year old vampire stuck with the body of a 12 year old boy, now he's an extremely successful pop star. We frequently visit previous eras of his life and the various characters connected to him. Jungian archetypes are central to the story and the more it gets into them, the more hallucinatory the story is. Vampires can change form based on the fears and desires of the people who see them and somehow Valentine's home has same ability.

This is very much set in the modern world (or the early 80s) with all the cultural references, videogames, famous brands and preposterous merchandise. Vampire films are often referenced and I think one scene was a nod to Stephen King's Salem's Lot. Somtow's classical music background is used even more extensively than in Inquestor.

The best scenes have an incredible energy, I really like the way it developed the archetypes concept, it's frequently funny. Stephen Miles is such an odd character.

Some complaints: the writing is not quite as refined as the other Somtow books I've read. As much as he executes his imagery very well (and he can do this brilliantly), there's still lots of scenes that I think needed more fleshing out and description, because so many things that seem ripe for a juicy description just pass by without conjuring much of a vivid picture or just land awkwardly (a scar that moves like a worm), Inquestor didn't have this problem often. It isn't a long book but I think quite a lot of scenes of relatively ordinary stuff could have been trimmed a bit (especially the vampire hunters getting supplies).
I don't think Somtow aims for realistic dialogue but some choices are just head scratching. This particularly in the chauffeur scenes that are told only in dialogue, it doesn't work very well, the scenes (as I say above) could have had more impact if they were more conventionally fleshed out and the characters describe what they see at such length that I wasn't sure if their dialogue was to be taken as completely literal.
Why couldn't Valentine escape the wooden cage? What does an "irish face" look like? Why does the shoshone mother let the children out so easily? In what way did Brian being with her resemble what his awful brother was doing?

But all in all it's an admirably ambitious, frequently fun and violently energetic novel with lots of fractured, hallucinatory images. I'm looking forward to the sequels but more excited about getting to many of his other books.
Just a warning: Somtow can be disarmingly light hearted and earnest before he plunges you into taboos and extreme horror, Valentine (remember he has the body of a 12 year old boy) has sex with a handful of adults, is raped and butchered and lives through and repeatedly dies in the holocaust. Enjoy!

https://www.valancourtbooks.com/the-valancourt-book-of-world-horror-stories-vol-2.html

ok so i finally cracked open exhalation by ted chiang and that first story (merchant and the alchemist’s gate)...holy shit

^^^

That was the first story of his I read. Still my favourite tbh. So good.

All of his stories are great but yeah that one's special.

He can do no wrong

Am reading Broken Stars, an anthology of Chinese SF/F. Not that I want the same old western pabulum but a lot of the stories are a bit too reliant on knowledge of Chinese history and culture (others here might get more out of them!) The best one so far is enjoyable with only a broad grasp, it's an alternate history story where time goes forward as usual but historical events are reversed - Gorbachev gets elected president of Russia and creates the USSR, China moves from a market to a planned economy. At one point our hero travels to America where he sees the sequel to Star Wars episodes I-III: episode IV A New Hope. He bemoans the basic story and amateurish effects, blaming the downturn in the US economy.

Yeah, like I said upthread, I was disappointed in a lot of those---but the title story is amazing, and will check some of them again (although already did a fair amount of re-reading the first time through).

Found your post in among the other 5000, maybe time for a new thread. Agree with you on the editorial/lecturing aspect, and the "wtf oh well" nature of many the stories (for me including the title story, the magical realism/horror vibe just didn't do it for me) - though in my experience that's par for the course for almost any sf anthology. I abandoned the 'connecticut yankee' story after just a few pages.

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