Beware the Ides of March -- U.S. Politics March 2021

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West Virginia exists thanks to earmarks, about the only thing Robert Byrd did well.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 March 2021 16:51 (three years ago) link

I thought West Virginia existed thanks to racism and geography but idk, my ancestors only lived there for 200 years

sarahell, Monday, 1 March 2021 16:56 (three years ago) link

well, those white farmers had to get something, the poor dears

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 March 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link

West Virginia exists mostly b/c of the Civil War I thought

a (waterface), Monday, 1 March 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link

the ones the next county over from us got cancer and had fucked up cows thanks to Dupont but ...

sarahell, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link

West Virginia exists mostly b/c of the Civil War I thought

― a (waterface), Monday, March 1, 2021 9:10 AM (one minute ago)

yes, racism + geography

sarahell, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link

"So is March 4 going to result in anything? My take: Not in DC but maybe some state capitals where legislators are sitting?" what's on March 4th (aside from apparently being the fictional date that Trump will be revealed to still be in charge according to Qnuts)

akm, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link

"So is March 4 going to result in anything? My take: Not in DC but maybe some state capitals where legislators are sitting?" what's on March 4th (aside from apparently being the fictional date that Trump will be revealed to still be in charge according to Qnuts)


I hadn’t read anything about any formal rallies or anything. I was just curious if anyone here saw stuff up on Facebook or whatever about rallies or whatever.

Bruno Ganz and Babaloo Mandel (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 1 March 2021 17:22 (three years ago) link

Yeah all my Nazi friends are posting about it

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 1 March 2021 17:27 (three years ago) link

They meant March 4, 2025

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link

White hats must lay the groundwork for the Rebirthening.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2021 17:32 (three years ago) link

I only respected two things about my former congressional rep, who was in office about 30 years thru 2018: He was one of the few Republicans to vote against the Iraq war, which he accurately assessed as poorly planned and expensive; and he was shameless about snagging any earmarks he could get. He always said if there was money available, he’d bring home whatever he could.

Nation's going to be over way before the ides innit.
Gorlumme

Stevolende, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link

Aside from the possible merits of hitting the Iran-backed militia(s?) in Syria, and aside from whatever the merits of a given such op in the Middle East, somehow even such ostensible one-and gones on part of US tend to lead to rong and unforeseen effects (and by "MIddle East" I also mean Libya and Black Hawk Down-era Mogadishu)---even aside from all that, can't help noticing the proximity of this latest to news that: yeas, report reveals that KSM ordered the hit on Khashoggi duhhh and no not much will be done to him because our relationship w SA too big 3 fail---which further reminds me of Saudi connection to 9/11 so let's pivot to Irag by cracky.

dow, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:58 (three years ago) link

Saudi Arabia shot down some (presumably Houthi) drones or rockets near the Formula E race over the weekend, too?

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2021 18:00 (three years ago) link

Take with as many grains of salt as you need

Punchbowl News: Speaker Pelosi and House Democrats are shifting gears: Election reform, police reform, guns, immigration, a pro-workers' rights bill and possibly the Violence Against Women Act and the Equal Rights Amendment. That's all in the next two weeks.

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) March 1, 2021

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 1 March 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link

Really worried that "pro-workers' rights" bill is gonna look more like Prop 22.

Fetchboy, Monday, 1 March 2021 18:15 (three years ago) link

Really worried that "pro-workers' rights" bill is gonna look more like Prop 22.


Me too but that union statement makes me a little bit more optimistic.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 1 March 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link

Can we be a little clearer on West Virginia existing because of racism?

Yes but. West Virginia noped out of Confederate Virginia in 1861, to stay in the union and work toward abolition. Arguably they were the (relatively) good guys. Appalachian white poors didn't really benefit from slave labor (as their holdings were small and the pickings slim, so they didn't really identify with the elite patrician Virginian plantation elites.

Similarly in Maryland, there were a lot of Southern sympathizers in the east (Baltimore especially). But Confederates miscalculated when they thought Appalachian, montane, western Maryland would rise to the rebel banner. It mostly didn't, with significant consequences.

A lot has happened since then, flipping the dynamics a bunch, but can we maybe apply a little perspective? thxbye

chillin' like Emperor Maximilian (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 March 2021 18:24 (three years ago) link

I'm reasonably certain everyone on this thread who commented on West Virginia knows American history well enough to not need that explainer?

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 1 March 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link

You can always count how many comment. You can't know how many lurk. Never hurts to be clear, imo.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Monday, 1 March 2021 18:35 (three years ago) link

xp I saw recently that there’s now debate among the Q crowd of whether March 4th might be a deep state trap to lure in Patriots.

JoeStork, Monday, 1 March 2021 18:51 (three years ago) link

just like the successful 1/6/21 deep state trap

Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Monday, 1 March 2021 19:01 (three years ago) link

This long profile of Senate Majority Leader Manchin from a West Virginia paper will piss you off, but it's worth reading. He's got some good ideas (immigration, infrastructure, rural internet, guns) and some very bad ones (thinking Republicans can be reasoned with).

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 1 March 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link

Manchin said he remains a core believer in the minority representation the Senate body was designed for. He said he’ll protect the legacy of Byrd, the historian who fought to preserve Senate rules and forced the body to work together. Manchin now occupies Byrd’s seat.

lol die in a fire.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link

James Loewen, in Lies Across America, about misleading monuments and historical markers has pointed out the the Appalachian South was largely pro-union.

After the war, the South’s successful rewriting of history meant that there are now a lot of Confederate monuments and battle flag-waving in areas that actually voted against secession and sent more soldiers to the Union Army than Confederate.

On Wikipedia, I see someone has very subtly, but pointedly, has put the vote tally for secession in the Wiki page for every county in Eastern Tennessee to drive home the point (anti-secession usually winning).

Bruno Ganz and Babaloo Mandel (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 1 March 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link

Manchin can occupy a lake of sewage

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 March 2021 19:24 (three years ago) link

If he doesn’t stand up for the anti-democratic white supremacist institutions of America, who will?

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link

Or, as the US Senate loves to think of itself, it's the Greatest Antidemocratic White Supremacist Deliberative Body in the World!

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Monday, 1 March 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link

news that: yeas, report reveals that KSM ordered the hit on Khashoggi duhhh and no not much will be done to him because our relationship w SA too big 3 fail

remember back in October 2018, when this was bad

grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Monday, 1 March 2021 20:28 (three years ago) link

it still is

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 March 2021 20:30 (three years ago) link

Re: WV and the Appalachian south, a lot of the history of abolitionism in those area has been obscured by pro-Dixie racists. There's some excellent history that's been written about it, some of which is included in this fine book co-written by a friend of mine: https://www.akpress.org/dixie-be-damned.html

It also covers a number of historical events pre- and post-Civil War that give a more rounded (and heartening) picture of the south as a place of deep resistance to white supremacist AND oligarchic hegemony.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 1 March 2021 20:36 (three years ago) link

Still supportive of filibuster/reconciliation rules, though. Biden and Harris "both respect the history of the Senate." On overriding the parliamentarian's decision: "That's not an action we intend to take."

— Jack Fitzpatrick ☘️ (@jackfitzdc) March 1, 2021

More Senate respecters have logged on

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link

xpost yeah Southern Appalachia has a whole history of political action and activism that is among the many things written out of most people's awareness of the region. A lot of it has to do with labor action, obviously, but there's also a strong environmental and social justice lineage. (And of course, there are and have been a lot more people of color than get included in the mainstream narrative.)

This podcast is produced here in Knoxville, it just got a shout-out in the NYT. Worth a listen! (I know both of the women who produce it, they're awesome.)

https://www.blackinappalachia.org/podcast

Xp

I'm Phil Spector
I'm an elector
I'm a Senate respecter
I play my music in the sun

chillin' like Emperor Maximilian (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 March 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link

#BREAKING: Ranking Member @Jim_Jordan calls on @RepJerryNadler to hold first full committee hearing on “cancel culture.” pic.twitter.com/FEI20b6qio

— House Judiciary GOP (@JudiciaryGOP) March 1, 2021

Jordan’s going to have to work harder if he wants to be Trump’s 2024 running mate.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2021 21:54 (three years ago) link

Calling for a committee on cancel culture = getting ahead of a reasonable expectation that one is likely to be cancelled for something that hasn't yet come to light?

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link

we're getting this much closer to cancelling cancel culture.

if Biden had any courage he'd issue an executive order banning it!

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:06 (three years ago) link

Jordan covered up child abuse and hasn’t been cancelled.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link

Like seriously, what's he planning on doing? how do you legally ban cancel culture?

"Sorry, director, you are LEGALLY PROHIBITED for firing this actor for saying 'Hitler was a great leader'. oh, you can fire him for being gay or being anti-cop, just not being a Nazi"

"Sorry, customer, you are legally prohibited from boycotting Publix because of the actions of their heirs. You are hereby ordered to spend $100 at Publix every week for the next year."

"Sorry, Tweeter, you are legally prohibited from starting a tweetstorm about this controversy. "

"sorry, FB user, you are legally prohibited from defriending someone for being accused of sexual assault - you are required to remain his friend unless he is arrested and convicted."

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link

Remember that they've made BDS campaigns essentially punishable.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:35 (three years ago) link

yes and that's kind of what I am worried they're using as their starting point. the 'anti boycott' laws were fucked up enough

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:36 (three years ago) link

all US citizens should be forced to purchase Israeli products, and if you disagree you are doing a cancel culture

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:47 (three years ago) link

Next stimulus: a Sodastream in every house

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 1 March 2021 22:53 (three years ago) link

It doesn't matter. The GOP doesn't legislate, they inflame.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 March 2021 23:21 (three years ago) link

I'd say they're nearing 100% troll saturation at this point but I fear that might be selling their troll potential short.

Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 March 2021 23:24 (three years ago) link

The GOP doesn't legislate, they inflame.

This is more true than ever right now and I know there is a percentage of the base that absolutely loves to see it and couldn't give two shits if they did any actual governing or legislating. But I have to imagine (baselessly hope?) that this is only serving to erode some corners of the base. I mean, at this point I don't feel like the continued trolling is bringing many new people into the fold. Basically the state fair circuit band playing to the diehards at this point.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 March 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link

Obviously, as soon as we can, we must end the filibuster that currently exists in the U.S. Senate. Given the enormous crises facing working families today, we cannot allow a minority of the Senate to obstruct what the vast majority of the American people want and need.

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) March 2, 2021

Bernie finally comes around?

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 00:29 (three years ago) link

The root problem with the Senate is not so much the filibuster, but the disproportionate allocation of Senators to a state's population, making it highly undemocratic at its very core. Because getting rid of that would be as likely as my growing feathers and flying, getting rid of the filibuster seems like a solution that's within reach and the need is so great it should be done.

I do predict that once it's gone that progressives may learn to regret it, but the hope is that if really popular programs can be installed and well-established, the reactionaries will be hard pressed to eliminate them. That won't stop them from gleefully instituting other horrors as soon as it's in their power.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 00:43 (three years ago) link

so eliminate the Senate in the best of worlds

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 00:46 (three years ago) link

Green up that peace dividend, Pentagon!

so tonight that I might ramona quimby (f. hazel), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link

yeah, they are going to unveil terrifying geoengineering technology, like sulfurous clouds and things

treeship., Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link

the war on clouds must be fought and won

so tonight that I might ramona quimby (f. hazel), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link

This thread is a toxic cloud.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link

Fox anchor: AOC says we shouldn't use the term invasion to describe migrants, "WHO IS USING THOSE WORDS?"

Previously on Fox:
Host: We're seeing an all out invasion on our southern border

Guest: We are seeing an invasion

Host: We got a massive invasion

Guest: It is an invasion pic.twitter.com/It4nNuAMen

— Lis Power (@LisPower1) March 31, 2021

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:41 (three years ago) link

wonder if they will implement their incredibly popular policies...

Buried in the new Morning Consult/Politico poll is an eye-popping statistic: Voters by a 2-to-1 margin prefer a $3 trillion infrastructure bill that includes tax hikes on $400K+ and corporations over one that excludes those tax hikes.

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) March 31, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link

Meantime, oops.

More alleged deets on fed probe: Doc obtained by @dcexaminer states that Gaetz is “under investigation by the FBI for various public corruption and public integrity issues” and alleges that the FBI is aware of photos depicting Gaetz in a “sexual orgy with underage prostitutes.”

— Daniel Chaitin (@danielchaitin7) March 31, 2021

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link

"sexual orgy" is way too funny a phrase to use in this context

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link

I can’t believe this tweet is still up https://t.co/rOb8jQLIau

— Lisa Snowden (@LisaMcCray) March 31, 2021

superdeep borehole (harbl), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link

Somehow this is all getting even STUPIDER

BREAKING: Documents suggest that Rep. Matt Gaetz’s father was told his son’s legal problems could go away if he gave $25 million to help secure the release of Iranian hostage Bob Levinson https://t.co/59oUJJWMbc

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) March 31, 2021

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 22:27 (three years ago) link

Among the many questions that now remain unanswered is why the family’s lawyer was then involved in discussions of a possible rescue plan as recently as this month hunt3r or anyone in the us of a read all this. Just let him swing, you fucks.” part of me just wants to see if the html signalling works.

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:07 (three years ago) link

It didn’t. my advice? the same.

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:08 (three years ago) link

Who could have foreseen any of this from someone who looks and carries himself like someone playing the devil on a tv show

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link

Good description of him in today’s tabs: the villainous real-estate developer in a live action Minecraft movie

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:41 (three years ago) link

He could attach the next 7% to a different spending priority, there’s a certain amount of logic to that

― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, March 31, 2021 5:48 PM (yesterday)

keep 'em coming

Some context on how Biden plans to fund his infrastructure package. pic.twitter.com/0U5zuXEhaI

— Justin Wolfers (@JustinWolfers) March 31, 2021

nb: "Lemme add an important qualifier: This graph shows statutory tax rates, while for corporate taxes, the proliferation of loopholes means that it's often more important to focus on effective rates, which are often a lot lower (and have fallen more over time)."

armoured van, Holden (sic), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link

The move to claw back offshore corporate income seems like a big deal. Dunno if it’s worth more than going back to where we were 4 years ago but it’s not nothing.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:54 (three years ago) link

I'm highly sceptical of anything coming of it, obv, but yes big if true.

armoured van, Holden (sic), Thursday, 1 April 2021 01:07 (three years ago) link

yeah it's a big deal simply because it's something where there used to be nothing, but it's not nearly enough, like rumors of a potential goal in a football match where the other side has 200 points and gains five every quarter.

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Thursday, 1 April 2021 01:15 (three years ago) link

cool thanks

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 April 2021 02:06 (three years ago) link

I've never seen the point in "believing" in politicians, for their momentary convictions must align with mine; but this desiccated piece of shit called Joe Biden seems to have seized a liberal moment with less temerity than I expected exactly a year ago.

Sure, I keep my expectations low because I didn't think Joe Biden would do it. I'm a Warren/Sanders guy, and I suspect they would've handled these legislative battles less effectively.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 April 2021 02:11 (three years ago) link

This is where my expectations were before the election, so he’s exceeded those!

It's been just seven months since Biden's advisor Ted Kaufman told the WSJ that the "pantry" would be "bare" in 2021 and Biden would "have limited funds to do what we’re going to do.”https://t.co/jCpengF7Ux https://t.co/D181grr7Bv

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) March 31, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 02:37 (three years ago) link

Yeah, same, I did not expect a flipped Senate. Thk u ATL.

The cartoonishly scandalous perception of Gaetz is so commonplace that sometimes it’s visible, literally, in the halls of Congress. A Hill source sent The Daily Beast a photo of a trash bin outside Gaetz's office as lawmakers cleared out their offices at the end of a recent session. At the top of the heap was an empty Costco-size box of “Bareskin” Trojan condoms.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link

Now lock thread

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link

an empty Costco-size box of “Bareskin” Trojan condoms: us politics april etc

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link

who uses condoms to masturbate

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:27 (three years ago) link


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