Martian Manhunter?
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:19 (three years ago) link
Ohh, good one. Black Canary, too, obvs. Kinda thinking along the lines of old school and/or long-term JLA-ers that haven't been emblazoned on bedsheets for decades. Dr. Fate, probably.
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:21 (three years ago) link
Hawkman? Atom? Spectre? Thinking of ones that have been around as long as an average human lifespan.
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:28 (three years ago) link
Oh, I knew Shazam, too, from my dad's book.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:28 (three years ago) link
also xp Phantom Stranger. Or Vixen!
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:29 (three years ago) link
xpost Josh mentioned upthread that he was largely familiar with DC heroes via a collection of first issues his dad had.
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link
oh okay, that make more sense. I was wondering if your dad was CC Beck!
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:35 (three years ago) link
Oh: Nightwing
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:36 (three years ago) link
Green Arrow just finished its eighth consecutive year as a primetime television show!
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:46 (three years ago) link
Lol, yeah, I had a book of DC origins or something like that, which had a lot of the most obvious subjects in it. But no, Green Arrow, Atom, Spectre, Black Canary, Dr. Fate, Martian Manhunter ... never heard of them. If you told me those were made up characters in some contemporary superhero satire like "The Boys" I'd believe you. Oh, wait, I know Hawkman! But Hawkman might have been in that DC coffee table book.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link
DC as a comics company has been very bad at promoting any character individually aside from a handful of Batverse main characters for a while now.
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:50 (three years ago) link
Green Arrow's origin is "bought a bow and arrow," tbf, not hard to catch up
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link
xpost It's true. It says something that all of these characters have been around long enough to have great grandchildren, are still utilized in the comics as well as other media, and hardly anyone outside of the nerdlinger elite has any idea they exist.
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
xp
also once he was super-rich but got radicalised when he lost it, and turned into Whatabout Man. which his simp white wealthy-middle-class pals would roll their eyes endlessly at, waiting for him to stfu so they could go back to brutalizing the poor
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:08 (three years ago) link
Must-read thread of old: THE FINGER: or, how I stopped worrying and learned to love Green Arrow
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:25 (three years ago) link
lol @ THE FINGER
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
I expected that to be a much longer recap: THE FINGER must have been an ILC meme for a while before Huk threaded
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Monday, 1 March 2021 04:32 (three years ago) link
Yeah, it must've been. I recall many more instances of Oliver jamming THE FINGER in everyone's face.
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 March 2021 04:34 (three years ago) link
MZS in praise of the Snyder Cut:
Let's take a moment and talk about the look of the movie, because it's key to what makes the project feel unified. "Zack Snyder's Justice League" is shot in the squarish, roughly 4x3 "academy" ratio, rather than the narrow-and-wide format preferred by most epics. Snyder chose it because the IMAX frame happens to be that shape, and then he decided to frame non-IMAX shots that way for consistency's sake. The result has the subtle psychological effect of making this new-ish work feel mysteriously "old." This perception is amplified by Fabian Wagner's cinematography, which emphasizes the vertical over the horizontal, leaves lots of negative space around the actors' faces and bodies, and isn't afraid to put gauzy filters over closeups and create smeary or halo-like lighting effects that make things feel dreamy or metaphorical rather than "real." When Junkie XL's score is blasting and the members of the Justice League are doing heroic things and not blabbing amongst themselves, suddenly we're watching the superhero version of a symphonically grand, late-period silent epic in the vein of "Intolerance," "Sunrise," or "Metropolis"—just scene after scene of impeccably composed panoramas, like those mammoth oil paintings that depict tiny figures in the foreground dwarfed by mountains and sky. Except in this case, it's sometimes the heroes and villains who are dwarfed by landscapes and/or the cosmos, and other times mortals look up in awe at superheroes looming overhead (often silhouetted against sunlight, clouds, fire, or atmospheric haze). Uncharacteristically for Snyder, the camera doesn't move unless it needs to, and the scene doesn't cut away until it has wrung out the last drop of whatever vibe it was cultivating. Throughout, the direction seems not merely unhurried, but meditative, to the point of pokiness. This the "Satantango" of superhero flicks: an arthouse tailbone-killer. The point is not to shovel plot information at the viewer. The point is to create a fantastic world where metaphors are real, and to give you time to roam around in it and savor all the details. Scenes often start before long before screenwriting manuals tell you they should (with characters approaching and/or entering regions, cities, or facilities) and continue way past the point when significant exposition has been communicated. This is a feature, not a bug. And it results in a good number of the scenes and sequences that make the film feel special, even as they eliminate any possibility that "Zack Snyder's Justice League" will tell a propulsive, coherent, orderly tale.
When Junkie XL's score is blasting and the members of the Justice League are doing heroic things and not blabbing amongst themselves, suddenly we're watching the superhero version of a symphonically grand, late-period silent epic in the vein of "Intolerance," "Sunrise," or "Metropolis"—just scene after scene of impeccably composed panoramas, like those mammoth oil paintings that depict tiny figures in the foreground dwarfed by mountains and sky. Except in this case, it's sometimes the heroes and villains who are dwarfed by landscapes and/or the cosmos, and other times mortals look up in awe at superheroes looming overhead (often silhouetted against sunlight, clouds, fire, or atmospheric haze).
Uncharacteristically for Snyder, the camera doesn't move unless it needs to, and the scene doesn't cut away until it has wrung out the last drop of whatever vibe it was cultivating. Throughout, the direction seems not merely unhurried, but meditative, to the point of pokiness. This the "Satantango" of superhero flicks: an arthouse tailbone-killer. The point is not to shovel plot information at the viewer. The point is to create a fantastic world where metaphors are real, and to give you time to roam around in it and savor all the details. Scenes often start before long before screenwriting manuals tell you they should (with characters approaching and/or entering regions, cities, or facilities) and continue way past the point when significant exposition has been communicated. This is a feature, not a bug. And it results in a good number of the scenes and sequences that make the film feel special, even as they eliminate any possibility that "Zack Snyder's Justice League" will tell a propulsive, coherent, orderly tale.
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/zack-snyders-justice-league-movie-review-2021
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 15 March 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
interesting review for sure
― Nhex, Monday, 15 March 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
even as they eliminate any possibility that "Zack Snyder's Justice League" will tell a propulsive, coherent, orderly tale
How to bury a lede.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 March 2021 17:23 (three years ago) link
sounds good imo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 15 March 2021 18:30 (three years ago) link
https://slate.com/culture/2021/03/justice-league-review-snyder-cut-excessive-ridiculous-great.html
I'm a littttle tempted
― lukas, Monday, 15 March 2021 18:32 (three years ago) link
Any critic w/ MZS’s knowledge base can cite Tarr or Murnau to polish any old turd. The Junkie XL paragraphs in particular reads like Armond White-like trolling.
― Chris L, Monday, 15 March 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link
All I know is that the Junkie XL song with Gary Numan still bangs
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link
suddenly we're watching the superhero version of a symphonically grand, late-period silent epic in the vein of "Intolerance," "Sunrise," or "Metropolis"
lol I don't even need to see this movie to know this is BS.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:10 (three years ago) link
Though I am I guess intrigued it's 1.66. I had no idea (even though that info has been out there all along).
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link
1.66, the number of the League
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:19 (three years ago) link
Or is it Academy ratio? Either way, the devil must be very pleased.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
it's 1.33 from what I'm seeing
here's a dissenting review: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2021-03-15/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-review-hbo-max
― rob, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link
You mean a dissenting review that doesn't invoke Murnau, Lang and Tarr in the context of a glum Super Friends movie?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
I confess I wrote off the MZS review after he called Speed Racer a "non-comic book" movie
― rob, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link
I like MZS cause he's one of the few major ish critics who still talks in specific terms about technical aspects of filmmaking and doesn't just tell me Themes Good or Themes Bad
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
Any critic w/ MZS’s knowledge base can cite Tarr or Murnau to polish any old turd
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 March 2021 22:10 (three years ago) link
I want a timestamp for the fun-sounding Flash scene MZS talks about, will check those three minutes out
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 15 March 2021 23:13 (three years ago) link
So is anyone going to hatewatch and liveblog on this thread?
― chap, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:39 (three years ago) link
would rather go to a 6 hour theatrical production of Garbage Pail Kids as directed by Julie Taymor
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, March 15, 2021 3:19 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Heard Bruce Dickinson when I read this and truly LOL’ed. Thank you.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:16 (three years ago) link
A lot of people were shocked by Justice League’s 4:3 aspect ratio so I rounded up a few really great widescreen alternatives instead for those who just can’t get past it https://t.co/1uaHQPfjWB— Sean O'Kane (@sokane1) March 18, 2021
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link
I watched the first 20 mins for fun this morning. I'm judging Nick Cave a little bit for letting one of the songs he wrote about the death of his son get used in this, but I get it, $$$
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Thursday, 18 March 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link
I’m about an hour in. This is hot garbage and I’m a lifelong comics reader/ Jack Kirby fan yadda yadda. This is just a big videogame,right?
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
Watching purely out of boredom and curiosity. And because Gal Gadot.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
i know I said there are no bad actors but she is a truly terrible actor
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
and person!
― rob, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
She is awful but I don’t come to this stuff for the acting. Hell even DaFoe and Irons go HAM in this sludge.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
Apokolips inhabited by grey burn victims.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
thing is like, the O.G. Justice League cut was like a Kurosawa film compared to Batman v Supes anyway.
there's nothing remarkable about it, it's boring, there's no reason to watch it more than once, but....it was at least competent to a degree.
I couldn't see much beneath the surface that made me think "oh man, there's a great movie trying to come out of this shell!". who gaf about another cut of this shit.
kinda like the time they released the Schrader cut of Exorcist 4, called Dominion, and it was way better than Exorcist 4 but still sucked.
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
i’m so hyped
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
stoked for the Brad review of this, ngl
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
My God this Gadot voiceover narrating the history of Apokolips vs The Old Gods or some shit. And Darkseid is a claymation dudebro. I’m gonna watch something else. I feel guilt at wasting precious minutes of my life on this lol.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link