pretty funny that rick barry, one of the greatest shooters ever, shot free throws underhand
― lag∞n, Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
with some of those you have to feel for the teammates who had to dap them up at the line, like "um... good job?"i've always be been a fan of nelly's weird one handed thing
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link
iirc Rick Barry was and remains outspoken about the underhand free throw. I know I heard an interview once about how he got Wilt to do it for a game or part of a season or something and he was able to make a much higher percentage, but wilt wouldn’t stick with it bc it didn’t look cool. It’s pretty amazing how many dudes in that video actually had dece percentages. More than one way to skin a cat!
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link
i remember that barry/wilt anecdote too, from basketball gypsy
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
https://www.npr.org/2017/05/28/530504774/why-rick-and-canyon-barry-stay-true-to-the-granny-shot
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link
In his autobiography Chamberlain said using the "granny" shot made him "look silly" and "like a sissy."
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:08 (three years ago) link
i didn't realize until recently that elena delle donne is a significantly better ft shooter than any nba player. her holding the ball out with her elbow at a 90 degree angle seems notable, but her shot looks pretty conventional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEHbB-9JvUo
― circles, Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
the smaller ball would help with shooting % imo
― micah, Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link
so silly they shd use the same ball
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 March 2021 00:29 (three years ago) link
uh why
― micah, Monday, 1 March 2021 02:21 (three years ago) link
cause its the same sport
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 March 2021 02:43 (three years ago) link
I could watch Pistol Pete Maravich demonstrate ballhandling drills to Red Auerbach all day ... pic.twitter.com/BWWbqcVFbH— Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports) March 11, 2021
― lag∞n, Thursday, 11 March 2021 17:22 (three years ago) link
"hip mobility" is the new scouting buzzword lol
― lag∞n, Saturday, 17 April 2021 04:24 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Eid7669zY
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 04:16 (two years ago) link
marcus would be an amazing player development coach someday. he talks the game really well.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 00:17 (two years ago) link
such obvious passion too
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link
yeah i could see him really wanting to do a job like that
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link
never been clear to me who the guys are who help the players do drills, are they on the development staff or what they tend to be young theyre not coaches theyre not ball boys
Andrew Wiggins struggling a bit at Warriors practice. 👀(via @LetsGoWarriors, h/t @dubs4o8)pic.twitter.com/convmX6EFR— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) October 1, 2021
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=429&GameID=0022100172&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=Clarkson%20REBOUND%20(Off:0%20Def:1)&sct=plot
never seen this play before. the pacers used it to break the jazz zone. it's like the elevator doors play but in reverse
― micah, Friday, 12 November 2021 11:09 (two years ago) link
this is cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2T4bJh165g
― lag∞n, Friday, 26 November 2021 03:00 (two years ago) link
Ralph Miller, the coach of the Oregon State Beaver hoops team from 1970-1989 favored a similar heavily pass-oriented offense. I think he cribbed it from Phog Allen. He hated to see his guards dribbling more than twice.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 26 November 2021 04:32 (two years ago) link
Fascinating video
― Spottie, Friday, 26 November 2021 05:56 (two years ago) link
that was great, thanking u
― call all destroyer, Friday, 26 November 2021 14:41 (two years ago) link
Ya watched that a couple weeks ago and been telling all my bball friends about it
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 26 November 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link
NEW Breakdown: Ty Lue shows again why he is one of the best X's & O's coaches in the NBA - NASTY ATO counter! pic.twitter.com/U4MAFvOKCd— Half Court Hoops (@HalfCourtHoops) December 7, 2021
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link
love it
― Spottie, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link
I made diagrams of 34 types of ballscreens, from Angle PnR to Wedge RollIf you see a pick-and-roll but don't know its name so you can't look it up, try looking for it on this page and hopefully you'll find the right oneLmk which ones I've left out!https://t.co/aBO1HPCn7T— Bowser2Bowser (@bowser2bowser) January 21, 2022
― lag∞n, Saturday, 22 January 2022 00:04 (two years ago) link
that is excellent.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 January 2022 14:36 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyA_wTOzza4Alex Caruso talks defense
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 17 February 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link
i want to thank caruso for shaving his head
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2022 22:15 (two years ago) link
love that
― Spottie, Thursday, 17 February 2022 22:18 (two years ago) link
hes really thinking about the shot clock good stuff
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 February 2022 22:21 (two years ago) link
chasing down the origin of the shamgod https://theathletic.com/3139815/2022/02/24/the-unknown-history-of-the-shammgod-crossover-or-as-philly-calls-it-the-pooh-allen
guess nba assistant pooh allen did it on national tv when shamgod was still in high school lol
“If you know Pooh,” Rozier said, “you know he’s going around showing people that clip.”
finally track down the penn coach who taught it to pooh and
O’Hanlon said he doesn’t remember when he first did “The Reach Across.” He was always trying to come up with new moves and discovered this one on his own and never saw anyone do it before him. “I did come up with that,” he said. “I didn’t steal it from anyone.”
― lag∞n, Thursday, 24 February 2022 15:18 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN8vvtQ4ir8
― he was eating Vaseline like it was a bunch of cheeseburgers (Spottie), Friday, 13 May 2022 21:22 (one year ago) link
whats going on with DSJs shot form? looks like hes fumbling it right before he releases it
Highlights from Dennis Smith Jr.’s private workout this week in Las Vegas in front of several NBA personnel. pic.twitter.com/MiidVmp0uo— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) July 14, 2022
― Spottie, Thursday, 14 July 2022 01:49 (one year ago) link
it looks like he's using some wrist action to generate backspin rather than like flicking it off the fingers as one does. definitely a little weird.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 14 July 2022 02:01 (one year ago) link
looks like hes catching then adjusting so his hand is way on top and to the side of the ball then compensating for that weird placement by thumbing very intensely, good luck man
― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 July 2022 02:04 (one year ago) link
yeah some sort of pre-shot rotation. takes him so long to set it up yikes.
― Spottie, Thursday, 14 July 2022 02:17 (one year ago) link
Former Toronto Raptors center Lucas Nogueira released these team scouting reports on John Wall and Bradley Beal from round one of the 2018 NBA Playoffs. Why? I don't know. But cool. pic.twitter.com/qGUWz2FbwA— Quinton Mayo (@RealQuintonMayo) July 27, 2022
― Spottie, Wednesday, 27 July 2022 07:57 (one year ago) link
i wonder how common it is for teams to include stuff like ppp and ts% in communicating with players
― circles, Wednesday, 27 July 2022 20:29 (one year ago) link
The Bucks have tweaked their approach to pick-and-roll defense this season and the early results are extremely promising - they're taking away all of the juiciest options and forcing teams to settle for more tough shots. https://t.co/k7gm0R1zdi pic.twitter.com/0DNjv3GYnu— Todd Whitehead (@CrumpledJumper) November 11, 2022
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 November 2022 23:25 (one year ago) link
i like those visualizations!
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 12 November 2022 01:41 (one year ago) link
found these defensive mistakes videos which look at more minute details than most breakdowns positioning routes on screens etc and the guy is just bitching the whole time hes really disappointed in the players lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpDYP4Xzkjw
― lag∞n, Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:50 (one year ago) link
Love that. Luka not shaking the harden comparisons lol. That Javale signing looks crazier by the day. Do they have even a single plus defender on the roster outside of dorian?
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link
hes like harden who shows up in the playoffs
― lag∞n, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link
Harden made the conf finals a couple times
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Saturday, 26 November 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link
he made finals once even but his playoff numbers are bad where luka has killed it, which makes sense to me hardens game has always been a little gimmicky but luka is a flat out baller
― lag∞n, Saturday, 26 November 2022 19:09 (one year ago) link
omg that defensive mistakes video had me in tears.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 27 November 2022 04:15 (one year ago) link
it’s like your uncle morty giving you a hard time about your shoes
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 27 November 2022 08:04 (one year ago) link
🚨BREAKDOWN🚨Steve Kerr added a new ATO set that takes advantage of 3 concepts:1) Steph Curry's gravity2) Steph Curry's screening 3) Jordan Poole's downhill explosionSimple but brilliant play design that makes full use of the team's dynamic offensive weapons.⬇️⬇️⬇️ pic.twitter.com/FoyQIq0sR8— Joe Viray (@JoeVirayNBA) November 26, 2022
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Sunday, 27 November 2022 08:37 (one year ago) link
crazy the mavs have two guys who are elite with the ball and do nothing otherwise
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:09 (two weeks ago) link
i think thinking basketball lets him off the hook there only trying when you have the ball is actually really bad, is pretty easy to look at individual plays and see things luka couldve done better but theres also the hidden loss of strategic flexibility, mavs arent drawing up plays for luka to get easy catch and shoot threes, and their opponents know that and theyre like thank you for leaving that very good play on the table, it also as mentioned in the video squanders the talents teammates who are good with the ball
luka reads the game in a self centered manner, hes an amazing passer but not in a way that cares about his teammates talents, its anti point guard stuff, its a hardenesque approach where hes just like spread out and be ready to shoot or roll, his teammates are cogs in the luka machine, and then he powers down when he doesnt have the ball lol, cant be the most fulfilling system to play in
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:30 (two weeks ago) link
funny aside about plus minus in there lol yeah a stat thats noisy over a single season might not be the best over a longer timeframe because players output might change over the course of five years, but they want it to be good so bad it makes so much sense
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:37 (two weeks ago) link
great video, even if ben thanos’d jokic for some reason lol.
raw plus-minus is clearly telling you something important, you can just look at the guys at the top, but you are always going to have outliers that need to be explained (usually due to weird lineup things, for example KCP is like top 10 in raw plus minus this year). the adjusted plus-minuses are getting better and better, they still have some kinks but it’s not like the old days where some rando big was 7th in the league in PER or something.
― brony james (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:45 (two weeks ago) link
delivering accuracy on the level of asking a casual basketball fan is a great accomplishment for a decade of work by the statistics community
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:53 (two weeks ago) link
i think these playoffs will tell us a lot about the current state of luka. he is a perpetual top 5 player so he should be held to a high standard; on the other hand there isn't any lead player drafted in his class or after him that has anywhere near as many playoff wins. the thunder could make the finals this year and SGA still wouldn't have as many playoff wins as luka & that's including games where he was chris paul's sidekick. if the mavs win another playoff series this year, given what is on their roster, i think i'd have a hard time worrying about whether luka's "impact" is overstated
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:17 (two weeks ago) link
he just needs to win one playoff series and the questions about his game are moot
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:20 (two weeks ago) link
i mean, no. i said i get why he is held to a high standard. but i also think if he continues to demonstrate the ability to win playoff series when other stars his age cannot/do not, that some of the criticisms start to seem a bit silly
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:24 (two weeks ago) link
Luka Doncic is leading the league in scoring and is 2nd in assists, but for there's a long term trend related to the scoreboard that doesn't match that production
yeah i wonder why that could be one sec lemme check their roster
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:26 (two weeks ago) link
mavs roster always seems to be bad its weird lemme check what some of their past players are up to
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:28 (two weeks ago) link
yeah when he had a really good young player on his team luka put up 32/10/7 and led his team to the conference finals hopefully one day archeologists are able to uncover his impact there, it's a huge mystery
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:35 (two weeks ago) link
i was watching mavs celtics last game with my dad who is a big box score reader but not that big of a game watcher outside the celtics and he was getting all fired up about luka to kind of an annoying degree tho tbf luka was cooking the celtics were just guarding him straight up letting him get his i was like just watch him get tired as the game goes on and sure enough by mid third quarter he was chucking stepback 3s then in the fourth he had one basket and the celtics wrecked the mavs easily, his style of play its just obviously not good its not the good way to play basketball
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:36 (two weeks ago) link
mavs barely squeaked into the conf finals and got destroyed, they were a second round quality team that year, i mean it was nice for them dont get me wrong and they were on a roll for sure but stuff like that happens no one is consulting the history books over it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:39 (two weeks ago) link
like the lakers last year sometimes there just a bunch of pretty good teams and one of them wins a couple rounds
i think one reasonable theory about lukas game is that its a high floor and not necessarily capped ceiling but its more difficult to raise the ceiling of his teams to contender status because he doesnt play good team ball, of course thats just speculation at this point since hes never had a contending quality roster
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:43 (two weeks ago) link
the suns that year were defending conference champs, brought back the same nucleus, won 64 games, and were the 1 seed by 8 games so gonna have to disagree w/ you on that one. don't retcon that game 7 into them being some mediocre opponent
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:44 (two weeks ago) link
i agree w/ you & have consistently agreed that he has conditioning, stamina, modulation issues that he has to figure out as his career progresses so if "style of play" just means a decrease in usage so that he can last longer across games/the playoffs then yeah. but the heliocentric possessions where ppl stand around and watch luka thing that you guys really pick at i just don't think is as big of a problem bcuz he's simply too good. i'm not chalking james harden's playoff failures up to "style of play" and then pinning that on luka
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:45 (two weeks ago) link
he just stands around when he doesnt have the ball and that includes defense its really bad its harmful not sure what else to say about that hes giving back a bunch there
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:47 (two weeks ago) link
xp didnt say the suns were mediocre tho they did have some issues what i said was the mavs barley squeaked through (seven game series) then got wrecked (five games series)
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:48 (two weeks ago) link
sorry but beating the 1 seed on the road in game 7 by 40 points does not count to me as squeaking through but whatever
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:51 (two weeks ago) link
i watched that celtics game too and maybe your analysis of it is correct, it's subjective. luka was out of his mind incredible in the first half and did not match that in the second half. but my take away from that game was that the mavs are built on the concept of having two high level star players and if kyrie is going to go 9-23 and 1-7 from three vs a team as good as boston then the mavs are not going to be competitive
you're presenting a theoretical scenario where luka tries less hard and passes more in the first half of that game, gets his teammates involved more and is able to have more stamina to dominate in the fourth quarter. i would submit that if luka wasn't playing like the best basketball player of all time in the first half the mavs would've been down by 20+ and nothing that happened in the second half would've even mattered. so i guess it's a matter of perspective
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:52 (two weeks ago) link
but again people have been talking about luka figuring out a better balance between domination and stamina since he was putting up first half triple doubles vs the clippers in the 21 playoffs and i don't think he has taken a serious critical approach to that aspect of his game so all of that stuff i agree w/
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:55 (two weeks ago) link
that celtics game they were targeting him on defense was part of the reason he was so tired the other part is he plays a very tiring style, good teams are going to do the same until theres a solution for it, he could get in better shape we dont have any idea how much hes capable of increasing his stamina, its seems like probably some but also he likely doesnt have naturally high stamina, his style of expending a ton of energy with the ball then resting the rest of the time just makes him vulnerable to scheming
you really want your perennial mvp candidates to elicit the reaction from opponents wtf are we supposed to do with that, like whatre you gonna do vs joker whats the plan here you got nothing, giannis youre like wall him off hope the bucks dont hit threes its not great but its what you have, embiid the obvious plan is to have al horford haha jk he has stamina issues too, but luka the plan is pretty clear youre gonna go after him on d which tbf is just good for scoring points and it will tire him out and then you hope he fades in the second half it has a decent chance of working
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:03 (two weeks ago) link
maybe in the regular season where he's not playing as hard sure, that is real. in that suns series they were putting luka in every single pick and roll every single time they could and some games it was fruitful and in other games it was a disaster. he is big so you can only take so much advantage of him on defense, i don't think ppl feel like we're dealing w/ a trae or early steph curry level point of attack defender where just purely from a size perspective there is very little that person can do, tho steph is also a great example of how guys can continue to get stronger and better at defense over the years to the point where the defense is no longer dragging down the offense. you can also more easily scheme away from having the same guy getting picked on every time in the playoffs than you can or do in the regular season. so yeah idk
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:08 (two weeks ago) link
luka is legitimately an extremely bad defender hes not close to where he should be
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:09 (two weeks ago) link
i agree that he is not close to where he should be but the individual numbers on his defense do not suggest that he is extremely bad specifically and the mavs have played great defense for long stretches w/ him on the floor
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:11 (two weeks ago) link
if you took shai off OKC and put luka in his place and told j dub and chet that they had to stand around for 5 extra possessions a game as they watched luka cook i think OKC would prob be a worse regular season team but i don't think their playoff ceiling would be lower and it quite possibly could be higher. and if shai was on dallas i don't think anyone would be saying that they have a significantly better shot of winning a playoff series. so how much of it is the warts of the player vs the warts of the roster
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:12 (two weeks ago) link
the mavs have played great defense for long stretches w/ him on the floor
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, April 4, 2024 2:11 PM (twenty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
mavs playing good team defense in the regular season in stretches against just ok teams is one thing, throwing luka and kyrie out there against a quality prepared playoff opponent is a completely different proposition, the mavs could just try to effort and swarm their was through it switch a bunch fly around and so forth it could even work thats what they did in that suns series, but what they cant do is just play solid and make minor adjustments, a fwiw they are for the season a not good defensive team
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:17 (two weeks ago) link
luka on okc is an interesting thought experiment would we even know that jdub is a good player, prob not, maybe close watchers of the team would figure it out, tho would okc let luka play the way he likes to idk hard to say
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:20 (two weeks ago) link
but yeah putting luka on a better team would be good for him he should look into that, not the nugs tho that would just be unfair
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:25 (two weeks ago) link
it would be interesting to see if joker could get him to play better ball tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:26 (two weeks ago) link
they’re bffs it is fated I’m afraid
― brony james (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 21:18 (two weeks ago) link