The process of finding the samples, cutting them up, then recreating them perfectly so they can be cut up again just to skip out on some sampling royalties would have been one hell of a task.
record labels do this w/ rapper mixtape beats every single day
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:32 (three years ago) link
Not new, either - Rapper’s Delight had Positive Force playing the Chic Good Times backing in a reasonable facsimile rather than editing a loop, after which Sugarhill assembled a house band to back their rappers. The Tackhead players pulled off a total soundalike of the Incredible Bongo Band’s cover of Apache without any Ableton filters. Dr Dre had a stable of session dudes to replay sources in his heyday, sometimes to save on mechanical royalties, sometimes for ease of getting a clean backing to work with.if they said so then they must have replayed these complicated funk and disco licks that they purposely obscured heavily via cut-up then pitched/phased and reassembledI’m agnostic on whether they did or not, but “the samples have been so heavily treated that you can’t tell what they are” is also not a strong argument that they weren’t replayed!
― stilt in the wings (sic), Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:00 (three years ago) link
I love that they got Todd edwards to do straight ahead vocals over the dreamiest Todd edwards pastiche
pretty sure he was involved in the production on said pastiche too
― ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
he's credited for additional production but maybe that's just to do with recording and toddifying his vocal
― stilt in the wings (sic), Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link
hmm maybe it is! for some reason I thought he was just credited for the vocals
― brimstead, Thursday, 25 February 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbym1c4JMR1rrlrnjo1_500.gif
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 February 2021 03:19 (three years ago) link
if anyone here hasn't seen interstella 5555 before... you should.... here it is https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3pj0fa
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 February 2021 03:31 (three years ago) link
ooh thanks, can't believe I haven't. I was obsessed with Discovery and remember the "we're gonna do a video for every song" claim, which seemed ridiculous, and then never knew til more recently they'd pulled it off!
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Thursday, 25 February 2021 04:00 (three years ago) link
I don’t know much about the law behind it but, regardless of royalties I don’t understand how replicating a sample instead of sampling directly gets some sort of free pass on having to clear or credit the original artist. A cover still needs to be credited, and if the argument is that in such small snippets credit doesn’t matter then why not sample directly?
I don’t get it. Either you don’t give credit to heavily altered samples - direct or replicas - or you give credit to both.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 25 February 2021 04:14 (three years ago) link
As an artist I’d be offended if I heard a replica of a thing I made without credit, than if I did get a credit even if I get no pay at all.
I know there’s some weird “don’t snitch on samples” culture but it’s 2021 now. No matter how obscure or modified your sample if you’re a mildly popular artist someone on the internet will id it in less than a week after your album is out.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 25 February 2021 04:20 (three years ago) link
the argument is that in such small snippets credit doesn’t matter then why not sample directly
iirc if you directly use the original recording you're still supposed to pay for it even it's a small enough sample where you wouldn't have to pay for using part of the 'songwriting' because it's just melodies that are really copyrightable in that way, so if you replicate those instead that means you can avoid having to pay anything
something like that anyway
― ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 04:35 (three years ago) link
like there's two issues with copyright & sampling: using parts of someone else's recording, and using parts of someone else's songwriting. with samples that are just small fragments the second doesn't really apply but the first still does
― ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 04:36 (three years ago) link
If they weren’t cleared they weren’t samples. They would have been sued into oblivion ages ago if someone else’s master recordings were included
Maybe they did some in the dark clearances but I’d suggest they recreated specific moments
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, February 24, 2021 12:56 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
In the Clubhouse discussion that got posted on one of these threads, Todd Edwards talks about the recording process of “Face to Face,” and he talks about stringing together samples from a bunch of different records but doesn’t mention anything being re-recorded. They may have layered on top of samples in some instances to thicken the parts in the mix but I don’t think it was possible for Daft Punk to fully recreate these samples so faithfully. They don’t have ‘70s session chops and they were working out of a home studio.
― eisimpleir (crüt), Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:58 (three years ago) link
In the air / Golf / In the air / Golf / In the air
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link
I'm guessing crut is right. You're not good ng to assemble a whole seventies funk revue to recreate 0.3 seconds of music. I mean, maybe people do this, but I just can't see it happening with DP at that time
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:19 (three years ago) link
going. This phone
this record is hugely open hearted…no amount of gallic chin-stroking crate digger machinations truly affects that…since Monday, my four year old and I have been listening to it while driving to day care, and she loves it…although she thinks Romananthony sounds very tired on "One More Time," I guess because of some of the exhalation audible on the recording…
― veronica moser, Thursday, 25 February 2021 22:45 (three years ago) link
I think One More Time is the only weak link on the whole thing. Other than that, it's just a hoot from start to finish (and I take it back about Too Long, it's perfect)
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:25 (three years ago) link
Actually think it opens with the two weakest tracks - I didn't even bother to check out the album until "Digital Love" got released. I've grown to enjoy "One More Time" and "Aerodynamic" more, but the other 12 tracks are still better
alright, maybe not "Nightvision"
― Vinnie, Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:45 (three years ago) link
weak????
― brimstead, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link
"One More Time" is just too real for a lot of people
― Tim F, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:19 (three years ago) link
when I first heard "One More Time" as a kid I could barely tell it apart from Eiffel 65 or Fatboy Slim but now I love it
― eisimpleir (crüt), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
"One More Time," "Blue (Da Ba Dee)" and "The Rockafeller Skank" are all equally great
― J. Sam, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link
"nightvision"... low key the best track
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:42 (three years ago) link
i'm kidding, it's "voyager," but "nightvision" is amazing
There's certainly a sense in which "One More Time" was 'late', arriving at the end of 2000 quite a bit of time after filter / french house had been thoroughly codified - it even sounds a bit like Phats & Small's "Turnaround" from 1999, and that's probably the archetypal 'generic' vocal filter house track.
But, of course, that was entirely deliberate. The song is literally about the decadence of extending the party a bit longer than it ought to run, and at less specific level I feel like it acts as a tribute to the feeling of succumbing (of allowing yourself) to the familiar and the obvious.
I already thought that at the time, but that sense felt affirmed when subsequently Kylie released "Love at First Sight", a song which functions very much in the same way, both in the sense of trucking with the same aesthetic preoccupations and in the sense of summoning up a similar vibe or feeling.
― Tim F, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:51 (three years ago) link
I wouldn't call either track weak now, to be clear. The extended break in "One More Time" used to be a momentum killer for me, but I appreciate it now. It's just that this is an amazing album and some track has to be the weakest!
― Vinnie, Friday, 26 February 2021 01:27 (three years ago) link
One More Time was love at first sound. I recall the first time I heard it, out getting some fast food and it was on the radio inside. Just felt like utopian party music.
― octobeard, Friday, 26 February 2021 02:04 (three years ago) link
"love at first sight" is even closer in feeling to "music sounds better with you"
― ufo, Friday, 26 February 2021 02:10 (three years ago) link
I’m shaking my head at people not liking “one more time”
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 26 February 2021 02:19 (three years ago) link
one of the very best things about Discovery is that it has a enormous influence upon Kylie's Fever…
― veronica moser, Friday, 26 February 2021 02:53 (three years ago) link
I've never enjoyed One More Time. I know the enervated sound is the point, but I don't have to like it.
― lukas, Friday, 26 February 2021 02:58 (three years ago) link
I'm sure I have my Interstella 5555 DVD somewhere (will need to remember how to hook up my DVD player to the TV, will be worth it for Face To Face at least)
― Pre-Raphaelite Brah (King Boy Pato), Friday, 26 February 2021 11:35 (three years ago) link
I'm similar to other posters in lumping "One More Time" in with a lot of other fodder they used to play at the student club nights I used to go to around the time. I was familiar with their earlier stuff but not yet a fan and "One More Time" just reminds me of £1 Smirnoff Ices and bad times dancing. It wasn't until I started working in a bar after uni that someone played me the whole of Discovery and I fell in love with it and went back to reassess everything else they'd done. I still don't like OMT though
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 26 February 2021 11:50 (three years ago) link
Dakadakada-da-da / Zoo-whoa / Dakadakada-da-da / Mister Ferdinand
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 26 February 2021 11:51 (three years ago) link
“one more time” doesn’t sound like the other fodder though, for starters it spends two and a half minutes (or, half of the song) doing that acapella build-up which I don’t remember any other song from the era doing.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 26 February 2021 16:18 (three years ago) link
how many dance or pop songs from any era do you remember that do 2 full minutes without beat.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 26 February 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
It's a good question (should be noted that the drums and main sample drop out but the organ never drops out and the tambourine comes in and out).
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 26 February 2021 16:29 (three years ago) link
It also ties it to the space disco concept. Having a breakdown of 2 minutes with nothing but vocals and a synth both drenched in reverb gives a feeling of floating in outer space.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 26 February 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link
they’re horns
― brimstead, Friday, 26 February 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
the breakdown is definitely the best part of "one more time," won't hear any arguments to the contrary i'm sorry
― little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Friday, 26 February 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
In the breakdown!?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 26 February 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link
It sounds like some synth organ with heavy reverb to me not like horns but what do I know. Whatever it is, my point stands: that elongated breakdown makes it stand out from the rest. I can understand maybe not liking the song, but saying it’s fodder is unfair.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 26 February 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
oh the breakdown. sorry.
― brimstead, Friday, 26 February 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link
no it is unfair, it's just that i came to it being played alongside a lot of stuff i just couldn't connect to at the time
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 26 February 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link
― eisimpleir (crüt), Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:58 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
I’ll admit I forgot about “face to face” of course Todd Edwards style is to distort samples beyond recognition and clip them to short instances of unrecognizable-ness
But I’m still questioning the idea that the songs that ie seem to interpolate “get down Saturday night” for example actually sample get down Saturday night
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 26 February 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link
oh I didn't realize you were talking about that one! I don't think Voyager is a sample tbf, I've heard the comparison before but it sounds very different to me
― eisimpleir (crüt), Friday, 26 February 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link
After getting texted random opinions about Discovery, I have decided to rewatch Interstella 5555, and I'm already feeling that same anxiety I felt during Aerodynamic!
― hourspass, Friday, 26 February 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
On the topic of sampling / acknowledgement on the album - an LA Times subscriber-exclusive story about Eddie Johns, whose "More Spell On You" was sampled for One More Time (but uncredited), living in homeless situations for years... while DP have been paying royalties, to a local company that swallowed some catalogue in 1995.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 7 May 2021 02:48 (two years ago) link
Still so so f***ing good. All of it. Hard to believe I now have co-workers as old as this record!
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 4 August 2023 16:28 (eight months ago) link