Things you were shockingly old when you learned

Like for one thing I know there is nothing shocking about me coming across some hitherto unconsumed crumb of television trivia at this late date.

xp Lolololol i love you so much, James Redd and the Blecchs!!

It was only while looking at IMDB last night that I finally realized that the rather hunky and mysteriously familiar looking Michael B Jordan who was Erik Killmonger in Black Panther, is familiar looking because he’s somehow the same person who played gangly little Wallace in early seasons of The Wire.

JUst had teh post I made about the black take on teh Meet me At McDonald'#s haircut i made after seeing the fillm repaear on FB a couple of days ago.
Did strike me at teh time that the same people wearing taht haircut 3 years ago would have been exactly the same people bullying those who were wearing it when it was first appearing in the early 80s. the white version of the do anyway, tended to denote one was playing in an indie band and may be slightly more enlightened in one's attitudes to homosexuality and things.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/haircut-924718.jpg
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Kim, I think the only reason I knew about Jordan was because he played Oscar Grant in Fruitvale Station, and I recognized his face immediately.

A few days late to this discussion, but watching a friend of mine on the school board work 20-35 hours a week on school board stuff makes me reconsider that they do indeed deserve to be paid. It's been eye opening, to say the least. Obviously a lot of it is intensified because of the pandemic and changing requirements/logistics on an almost weekly basis, but I've learned that it's not just a meeting every month and that's it.

I mean we had an outdoor dinner with them before it got cold out and she took no less than three board related calls between 7:00 and 9:00 on a Friday night. It basically is a full-time job and hats off to anyone willing to take on that burden for free, I guess.

2/3rds of LFO died, one of leukemia, another of cancer

(LFO aka Lyte Funky Ones, the American band)

1/2 (-to-all) of the real LFO died too, of "complications after an operation"

Whoa @ grim LFO news

Pop stars just don't last as long anymore. A bunch of old-ass bands have most if not all of their members still alive + kicking but I've been listening to early '90s pop this week and remembering that half of Milli Vanilli, Kris Kross, and PM Dawn are all gone.

Set Adrift on Memory RIP

A grim one for the "bands with no original members" file. Before Prince Be died, his brother DJ Minutemix was fired for repeated sexual misconduct (a mere ten years after being arrested for fucking his 14-year-old cousin), and replaced by a (different, male) cousin. After Prince Be was incapacitated by a series of strokes and had a gangrenous leg amputated, the cousin Doc G continued to perform his own material live as PM Dawn. In 2018, two years after Prince Be died of diabetic renal failure, Doc G added a new rapper, who had @-ed him on twitter to say "sorry Prince Be died, check out my studio."

New dude is called K-R.O.K. (Kings Respect Other Kings).

Lyte Funky Ones

Late Funky Ones, now :-(

KIss having a different logo in Germany to avoid the ironic Sigel SS. So the parts of teh S are more horizontal . Just foun dout thsi week.
Or is taht actually a coincidence initially, cos i thought that was intentional but seems a little unthinking if the idea that the SS didn't look exactly like the military group's insignia. Utterly tasteless if one's family history is Jewish, but who wanted taste from these shock rockers?
aargh.
Anyway looks different in Germany anyway.

^^^ This made me look up more info on Gene Simmons (birth name: Chaim Witz) and I found this on his Wikipedia page:

1989, Simmons managed the recording side of Liza Minnelli's entry into mainstream pop.

original version of the song was "Chaim with a C, not Haim with an H"

Can I just say I’m deeply aggravated by the Wikipedia house style of making sure the birth names of Jewish public figures known professionally as something else appear in the first paragraph of the article? Honestly smacks of (((this bullshit)))

tbf it's not just Jewish figures, I've seen it on tons of famous figure AKAs - it either born X or known professionally as Y

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Hudson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_(singer)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Keys

I think it’s scuzzy to do it for everyone else too but I’m less sensitive about it obviously

Who the hell needs to know Alicia Keys’ government name in the first sentence?

I didn’t know her name wasn’t actually Alicia Keyes so I learned a new fact right there in the first sentence.

Honestly I’d be kind of pissed if I needed to know a public figure’s government name for some reason and it wasn’t listed on Wikipedia

They do it for Chelsea Manning and Ellliot Page too, which I imagine has been a source of debate in Wikipedia editing circles.

What was wrong with Alicia Cook as a name anyway?

I assume it's because she plays the keyboard

Doh!

Just move it below the fold is all I’m asking.

I think that's reasonable. Stick it in "early life"

Still waiting for her instrumental jazz album, Cookin' with Alicia Keyes

I'm actually surprised that hasn't happened yet

Keys bcs she's a pianist. Wow. Shockingly old indeed. All that "Horrible album titles that pun on the artist's name" potential going to waste.

Duets album with Peter Coyote.

what an incredibly hot guy Al Green was in his prime

pre-grits green was a noted sex symbol!

record sleeves don’t tell the whole story apparently, who knew

They go some way though, right?

https://i.imgur.com/qXFIo3R.jpg

that record was the foundation of my undying love for Al Green, so I know that sleeve very well, but with all due respect: not even close. ain’t nothing like the real thing baby.

*the real thing in this case being the live footage posted earlier today on the Al Green thread

Today's 'shockingly old' realization: that Green Day didn't have a Billboard hot 100 hit until 'Good Riddance'. I...don't know how that's possible. The singles off the two previous albums were ubiquitous and it looks like some of them sold ridiculous numbers. Was this just the result of some artificial depression of their sales figures because they were an 'alternative' act? Akin to nominating someone for a best supporting actress nom when they're clearly the star of the thing?

Might have something to do with whether physical copies of the singles were on sale? There was a lot of chart weirdness in the 90s due to rules like that.

no doubt

I guess. I don't know upon what basis, though, 'When I Come Around' both is a certified gold single (which I assume must've been based on sales figures of some physically-released single) and fails to make it onto the big boys list.

NB, not exactly a Green Day fan, but this is just weird to me.

from Wikipedia:

As many Hot 100 chart policies have been modified over the years, one rule always remained constant: songs were not eligible to enter the Hot 100 unless they were available to purchase as a single. However, on December 5, 1998, the Hot 100 changed from being a "singles" chart to a "songs" chart.[7] During the 1990s, a growing trend in the music industry was to promote songs to radio without ever releasing them as singles. It was claimed by major record labels that singles were cannibalizing album sales, so they were slowly phased out. During this period, accusations began to fly of chart manipulation as labels would hold off on releasing a single until airplay was at its absolute peak, thus prompting a top ten or, in some cases, a number one debut. In many cases, a label would delete a single from its catalog after only one week, thus allowing the song to enter the Hot 100, make a high debut and then slowly decline in position as the one-time production of the retail single sold out.

It was during this period that several popular mainstream hits never charted on the Hot 100, or charted well after their airplay had declined. During the period that they were not released as singles, the songs were not eligible to chart. Many of these songs dominated the Hot 100 Airplay chart for extended periods of time:

1995 The Rembrandts: "I'll Be There for You" (number one for eight weeks)
1996 No Doubt: "Don't Speak" (number one for 16 weeks)
1997 Sugar Ray featuring Super Cat: "Fly" (number one for six weeks)
1997 Will Smith: "Men in Black" (number one for four weeks)
1997 The Cardigans: "Lovefool" (number two for eight weeks)
1998 Natalie Imbruglia: "Torn" (number one for 11 weeks)
1998 Goo Goo Dolls: "Iris" (number one for 18 weeks)
As debate and conflicts occurred more and more often, Billboard finally answered the requests of music industry artists and insiders by including airplay-only singles (or "album cuts") in the Hot 100.

Just going by Discogs, "Basket Case" and "When I Come Around" did not have US domestic single releases in stores at the time (though "Longview" had a vinyl release). Is it conceivable that WICA went gold solely off of iTunes sales much later?

Yeah, I was gonna consult discogs, thanks for that. And thanks for the breakdown, breastcrawl. I considered starting a thread (except that it seems like kinda weak tea for a thread) but I'm working my way through charting singles from the mid-'90s and keep noticing what seem to be glaring omissions, which I guess this explains. Like 'Believe' is the only single from Are You Gonna Go My Way to chart in the hot 100. 'Say whaaaaat?' I said. But apparently so.

My memory might be unreliable on this, but I’m pretty sure our first major exposure to Green Day here in Canada was when (for some reason) their live Woodstock performance of “When I come Around” was added into regular video rotation.