The dB's - Classic or Dud

I saw the Loud Family on that tour, although the cover the night I saw them was "The Story in Your Eyes" by The Moody Blues. I agree that I like both their voices (especially after their earliest records) and never understood why Miller, in particular, was regarded as having an uncommercial or unlikeable singing voice.

The Stamey book goes into a lot of musical detail that I'd never pick up on my own. For instance, the piano countermelody in the second verse of "From a Window" is taken from Charles Ives, referring to the line "Ives was on the stereo".

Ah, was never sure what that "Ives" lyrics was about! Jealous that you got to see the Loud Family on that tour. I wasn't aware of them until the following year.

Apparently, Holsapple & Stamey released an album of re-recorded acoustic versions of dB's classics last year called "Our Back Pages". Looks like it's digital only at the moment.

amazing rhythm section Yeah, Holder's really good too, and he produced Aquamaine and Fields for the Individuals, both later on a CD w bonus tracks, reissued by BarNone, which Individuals' leader Glenn Morrow took over after the band broke up---he was also managing editor of New York Rocker, led Rage To Live and, much more recently, Cry For Help, neither of which I've heard, but the Individuals were real good, "power pop" or "proto jangle" or whatever you wanna call it--they were frequently cited along w dB's and Bongos as The Hoboken 3 or Pop 3---and def rec to dB's etc fans---maybe not up to dB's consistency of songwriting, but some of their known live combo power comes through in the studio, and I always listen for Janet Wygal's vocal boosts.

Janet Wygal and her brother Doug went on to form The Wygals, and Janet Wygal later formed the group Splendora, which provided the theme music for MTV's show Daria. After The Wygals split up, Doug played on albums by Wanda Jackson, Laura Cantrell, Amy Rigby, Wreckless Eric and others. Yes, thanks wiki. Splendidly named Jon Light Klages was also an Individual, don't know what he did later.

No mention of this yet? I guess most of this stuff was already on Ride the Wild Tom-Tom, but I've never heard that so a lot of it's new to me. A good bit of it is Stamey songs that sound kind of like the least interesting Stamey song on Stands for Decibels (i.e. "I'm in Love"), but, you know, that's still pretty good! "You Got It Wrong" has been stuck in my head all morning.

It seems "I Thought You Wanted To Know" and "If And When" are not the original versions on Ork Records?

I think they are but "I Thought You Wanted to Know" has been slightly remixed, at least.

Mark Caro did some podcast interviews with Peter Holsapple and Chris Stamey. Holsapple's is two hours and broken up into two separate podcasts:

https://www.caropop.com/caropopcast/episode/299b4741/peter-holsapple-pt-1
https://www.caropop.com/caropopcast/episode/26268249/peter-holsapple-pt-2

https://www.caropop.com/caropopcast/episode/39fa4bc8/chris-stamey

Found this too, a guest column from 2008 dissecting how Like This flopped (a great album IMHO) - wish the NY Times would bring back this series.

https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/anatomy-of-a-flop/

^good read, thanks for the link

Yes, great stuff, thanks!

Holsapple wrote a similar article which was published in some sort of music anthology, more of a post-mortem of his entire career. He included the anecdote about dancing in the control room, thinking he had written a hit record, but also mentioned such issues as their first two albums not being distributed in the States.
Unfortunately, I gave the song another listen just now, and i was interesting to pick up on the details he wrote about, but I really can't see the song, whoever was singing it, as better than "quite good".

Great piece! Glad he got Butler in there too.

Put these on wrong thread, wrong board, even:
Wow, so Bearsville folded in 1984, same year Like This was "released," two years before Albert died. I remember reading that Dylan supposedly called Sally G. soon after and yelled about what Albert still owed him. She was on the cover of Bringing It All Back Home and in Don't Look Back and saw about the catalog until 2010, according to wiki; as of the wiki posting, Ehino is or was the distributor.

― dow, Friday, July 15, 2022 4:20 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Rhino! Think I'll see what Bearsville product is readily available.

― dow, Friday, July 15, 2022 4:22 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sorry, she was running it *from* 2010!

Bearsville Records was founded in 1970 by Albert Grossman. Artists included Todd Rundgren, Elizabeth Barraclough, Foghat, Halfnelson/Sparks, Bobby Charles, Randy VanWarmer, Paul Butterfield's Better Days, Lazarus, Jesse Winchester, and NRBQ. The label closed in 1984, two years before Grossman's death. Sally Grossman, Albert Grossman’s widow, was running Bearsville Records from 2010 until her death in March 2021, at the age of 81.[1]
Bearsville's initial distributor was Ampex Records. From 1972 until its folding, the label was distributed by Warner Bros. Records in most countries. In the UK it was distributed by Warner until 1979, and then Island until 1981; its last few British releases were licensed to independent labels Avatar and Lamborghini. Rhino Records currently distributes the Bearsville catalog.

Many of the artists on the roster recorded at Grossman's Bearsville Studios.

also Notable Artists, discography etc---warning says roster unverified, but I've seen some of the records, have a few:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearsville_Records

I've always been interested in the circumstances behind his departure from R.E.M. - it's evidently difficult for him to discuss, but I noticed he didn't state exactly how his request for a credit on 'Low' saw him leave the band.

I’ve always favored the first 2 dB’s albums over Like This. Pretty sure I bought them as a two-for sometime in the mid 80s.

xp it's possible it was an awkward situation where even he wasn't clear on every single detail of how it went down. Think about Lindsey Buckingham's recent departure from Fleetwood Mac - it was clearly one person's demand, but it's not like the others were all that communicative with Buckingham when it went down, even with their long history together. The best was a private "sorry it happened that way, I didn't want this to happen and wish I could do something" from Christine who was probably on the best terms with him. It happens in every profession, unfortunately, but at least Holsapple was able to restore his friendships with Mills and Buck (and maybe the other two) down the road, and not so late that there was barely any time to experience that renewed friendship again.

Re: the dB's albums, I love the debut the most, but I love the second and third albums too - I don't want to knock any of them to elevate the others. I'll have to revisit the fourth and fifth albums some day, I didn't think they were as good as the previous three, but I could find more to like about them now.

So---the dB's were a little older, prob setting an example (incl. what not to do, esp. biz snares to avoid), inspirational, even, in terms of artistic development in a direction of shared interest---plus they're from NC, not that far from Athens, there are connections vis Mitch Easter and so on: Holsapple, more than other sometyme R.E.M support players, was likely an imposing figure, without meaning to be pushy---earnest and articulate, so maybe the suggestion the more off-putting for its plausibility, the chords etc. voiced in a way unforeseen by writer(s)---some others of the inner four maybe saying, "hey that sounds..." maybe not wanting to quite say "better," or maybe insisting on it---
And maybe we get towards other musical insecurities, like Lou Reed in the face of Cale or Quine (also Fernando Saunders said that, after his "New Age" solo was mentioned in concert reviews, Lou took it away). David Lee Roth assembling one of the flashiest bands ever for his first solo album and tour, then acting all threatened----could to a whole thread about that kind of thing, maybe---

May have to put this on more than one thread, considering range of guests:

The Salt Collective, 'LIFE' produced by the dB's Chris Stamey

The Salt Collective releases the power pop supergroup's beautiful mystery LIFE on May 5, 2023

An immensely collaborative new album has miraculously brought together an international "supergroup” joining SALT and their guests Matthew Caws (Nada Surf), Matthew Sweet, Juliana Hatfield, Richard Lloyd (Television), Anton Barbeau, Susan Cowsill (Cowsills), Mitch Easter, Matt Douglas (Mountain Goats), Chris Stamey, Peter Holsapple, Gene Holder and Will Rigby (the dB's).

This new album is produced by Chris Stamey (the dB's) and recorded at Fidelitorium (Kernersville, NC), Ferber Studios (Paris), and Modern Recording (Chapel Hill, NC), as well as at artisan studios.

SALT is a Paris-based collaborative music project led by French guitarist and songwriter Stéphane Schück around a core group formed in the 80s with Benoit Lautridou (drums) and Fred Quentin (bass), SALT offers shivering songs based on transcendently melodic guitars and vocals.

NEW TODAY TO SHARE - Video of "Asylum" (featuring Matthew Caws of Nada Surf and Juliana Hatfield)

Of the immensely creative ambitious follow up, maverick maximum pop recording maven and artist Chris Stamey says, “In the midst of chaos, upheaval, and uncertainty, the impulse to make art remains strong. Matthew Caws sings of having “found asylum [on] this hillside,” and in many ways this recording project became a similar place of sanctuary for an extended musical family during a time when we didn’t know what new calamity the next day might bring. Life persists, hope remains. Always, it was helmed and inspired by the ceaseless optimism of Stéphane Schück, who shepherded and cheered each stage of its circuitous evolution.”

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Peter Holsapple and Chris Stamey are playing a show in March for Trouser Press's 50th anniversary:

https://www.ticketweb.com/event/peter-holsapple-and-chris-stamey-the-bowery-electric-tickets/13456803