the nu-metal canon

don't you! realize! that evil! lives in the motherfucking skin!!!!

is I Against I nu metal?

feels like if you were on the Family Values tour and had a guitar, then you fit.

^ this is the real motherfuckin deal y'all

for my money, the woodstock 99 extended ver of “bawitdaba” is the most nu metal thing imaginable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMKfIXdxh-U

also when limp bizkit blew up the boat at spring break

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpyBybsNX64

RIP, Lynn Strait of Snot was on it at the time

snot should be included -- great album

what about Faith No More?

they maybe feel to nu metal as Led Zeppelin is to heavy metal, foundational to its creation but not a part of it

Interesting that you posted that Kid Rock video as I've always thought of Kid Rock as being adjacent to Nu Metal, but never really fully part of it. Certainly Rap Rock/Metal, but he was always too steeped in Southern Rock and Classic Rock influences to really feel like Nu Metal to me.

yeah agree, he was more authentically hip hop too, his early stuff

this is reminding me that the only Kid Rock music I own is an appearance on an Insane Clown Posse song

"bawitdaba" is a nu-metal song. maybe "i am the bulldog" too but it's not coming to mind readily. everything else i've heard from kid rock is not nu-metal. also, frankly, he sucks too much to be here

limp blowing the boat up is classic tho

what about Faith No More?

they maybe feel to nu metal as Led Zeppelin is to heavy metal, foundational to its creation but not a part of it

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it would be like including helmet or godflesh, too distant from the actual thing even though literally every band mentioned on this thread is almost certainly obsessed with faith no more

fuck, is uncle kracker the hype man in that kid rock woodstock performance

so many audio crimes tied to kid rock

there was a story that Fred Durst met with a Mike Patton to get FNM to reunite for a tour and Patton took off his shoe and pissed in it

Helmet riffing style is definitely a big part of it, also "groove metal" which seems hard to define to the point of being possibly made up

his own shoe or Fred's shoe

his own is how I remember reading it, but tbh the whole thing sounds a little made up

on the other hand, it is Mike Patton

that is beautiful

https://www.newfaithnomore.com/2009/08/18/mike-patton-eats-a-shoelace-and-regurgitates-it/

the video here is dead but it did find this excellent url

in starting this project i've sort of inevitably ended up listening to every korn album

the path of totality is so good, like so much more than the sum of its parts, largely because jonathan davis is an excellent melody writer. then head rejoins the band and the serenity of suffering and the nothing end up largely being able to stand up next to their early material (head seems to be the missing ingredient from their fallow run, from see you on the other side to korn iii, though i've always liked the untitled album)

fascinating and weird band tho. i feel like they've attempted to return to their roots like five times and yet they've never made any records that actually sound like the s/t or life is peachy since

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMiISKntcY

fantastic song

Davis was never my favorite vocalist but I will say he's taken good care of his instrument, he hasn't deteriorated/weakened at all

i absolutely love the Korn vs dubstep (its not just Skrillex on production btw) album.
yet to watch the dvd that came with the edition i got.

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not true, I got 1 result

watched a sundance film from this year that uses "last resort" as both a punchline to one of the film's best jokes and as a poignant way to underscore the despair of a main character.

as a result of this thread, I listened to the Turbo channel@ Sirius. I gotta say it was kinda neat to listen to, like Saliva, Three days Grace and all these acts I strongly disliked 20 years ago (some of whom I reviewed for RS and Blender as I was the low man on the totem pole who took review assignments where I could get 'em) but then never heard again after 2005, next to 90s Metallica and Pantera. But I could only take so much before going back to Hip Hop Nation.

1. Does anyone else have Sirius who thinks anything about it at all? I've thought of starting a Rolling Sirius thread, but it does seem to me that the average ILMnik is too advanced for a service that wants to be considered a peer of streaming but is really a deeper experience of commercial radio (which I happen to think is an interesting function).

2. It would seem that in Nu-metal, the partying/pleasure/celebration aspects that very definitely are the pretezts for much of hip hop and metal/hard rock was strictly forbidden. After hair metal went down and Cobain went up, hedonism or even acknowledging the allure of good times was unheard of in nu metal. But were there any acts that did indeed get down like that? I guess Kid Rock did (which is why I liked him at the time) but is there anyone else?

Hed PE claimed they smoked weed, drank wine, And would take your daughter onto the tourbus and fuck her from behind.

Not sure if that counts

fuck man! that's one of the bands that I reviewed for RS, and I done completely forgot about 'em!

No worries, the world did too

think hed(pe) are still going, or were until recently, and they were big 9/11 and other conspiracy heds (sic)

listened to korn self-titled and deftones around the fur yesterday. the latter stands up so well, the former is decent, the riffs are groovy, but it didn't blow me away.

i think the drums in the first korn album don't quite sit right with me. on the other hand the slapped low C five string bass has a really pleasant percussive quality. i also am maybe not so into jonathan davis' vocal ticks

ty for this thread, Brad. Nu-metal is largely 'after my time' (where 'my time' = 'an age where I was still acritical enough about my musical consumption to just chill and listen to whatever without too many preconceived notions or the need to approach everything from the perspective of a curator' aka 'the early-to-mid-'90s alt boom') but I'd been thinking recently that I wanted to hear stuff from the genre that actually managed to hold up beyond its moment. Prompted by listening to some Korn singles (the earliest of which were actually released during 'my time').

"bawitdaba" is a nu-metal song. maybe "i am the bulldog" too but it's not coming to mind readily. everything else i've heard from kid rock is not nu-metal. also, frankly, he sucks too much to be here

agreed with all of this. something about the woodstock performance feels iconic to me tho. nu metal as a cultural phenomenon. the laziness and bandwagon-jumping makes it extra-nu to me tbh. "now get in the pit and try to love someone!"

I first heard 'Bullgod' when it was released on some (non-nu) metal sampler tape that came out when I was still in high school so I was like five years ahead of the curve in knowing that Kid Rock sucked shit.

linkin park were the best technicians, I think. a lot of these bands flirted with industrial sounds but were pretty amateurish about it. LP really ran with NIN and depeche mode influences and understood how to write catchy pop music.

I used to hear "Bullgod" on the local "metal" station (WSOU in NJ) in the early to mid 90s. And yeah, Kid Rock always sucked.

xpost yeah, most of the commercial nu-metal groups that actually tried to rawk tended to blow their wad on the same groove patterns, riff-wise, and it got old. hooks were really the way to differentiate yourself, and LP had those in droves. I wouldn't say I was a 'fan', no, but I love a lot of their singles and Chester's voice. one of my least favorites was "One Step Closer" because it sounded too close to other nu-metal bands.

even Korn realized they needed to add some hooks, unfortunately on Follow the Leader, they stuck out like a sore thumb or weren't all that catchy. "Freak On a Leash" (which I hate) at least has an ear-wormy chorus and that ride-out scat pattern, but on "It's On", you're lead to think the chorus is him bellowing "It's On!", and then this alternapop second chorus with a stupid melody comes in right after it. Also, I can't STAND Davis's excessively nasal singing voice on the more melodic material, whereas I could at least tolerate his weird scream style.

I still like Korn's s/t and Follow the Leader, but never find myself wanting to return to them. there's not many moments where I feel like yelling KNICK KNACK PADDY WHACK, GIVE A DOG A BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE

I saw Kid Rock live once. he was opening for Metallica. only tolerable part was the southern rock suite where he actually sang.

his rapping was execrable

i saw linkin park support deftones in 2001, one of those occasions were the support act gets massively bigger than the headliner in the interim between the tour being booked and the show taking place, and i thought it was a very anodyne show, was nowhere near seeing korn and limp bizkit on the life is peachy tour or deftones touring around the fur.

I don't know how everybody else felt, but I remember being thoroughly disappointed when nu-metal became a movement. I was (and still am to a degree) all about groove, so Korn didn't feel like "metal" to my young ears, but a variation on it, and I liked how different their riff styling was, and of course the angst spoke much more to me as an awkward teen.

Once I started opening my Guitar magazine and started seeing these bands coming off the assembly line by the time Korn had released Life is Peachy, I started to sour on the sound in general, which in a way hurt my enjoyment of the Korn I had liked. especially because almost every other band was so lazy about it. Coal Chamber practically were a Korn clone (the debut was a hilarious album, "BIG TRUCK! BIG TRUCK! BIG TRUCK!"), I hated Durst and company from the beginning, old Sugar Ray was hookless drudgery....Deftones I didn't mind (and still like).

I went from loving Korn and their brand of nu-metal to actively hating nu-metal by the end of high school. since mp3s and file-sharing was in its infancy and something I hadn't discovered, I kept reading Guitar magazine and Guitar World (the former I had a sub to, the latter I bought on occasion), trying to look for metal bands, as I was new to the genre then. Then when I'd listen to them at Blockbuster Music (yes, it was a thing! look it up!) or Camelot Music at the listening station, I'd disappointedly say "....oh, they're one of THOSE bands, never mind".

it hadn't even come close to its nadir yet, like the early 2000s when every street corner had evicted their doowop groups and replaced them with faceless b-tuned guitar bands with song titles like "RAGE", "PISSED", "STOP", etc

i went off nu-metal pretty quickly, i ended up listening to so-cal mall punk and midwestern emo instead, temporarily disavowed pretty much all the bands i had enjoyed, especially limp bizkit (in a very pure, lame "i liked them before they even had an album out and now i think they're lame now that everyone else likes them" way), with deftones being the only one of those bands i was still into by the end of high school

I just remember picking up Follow the Leader and really hating half of it, and not continuing further (I realize they morphed into different sounds after that album, but that one just felt so half-baked).

yeah it's pretty crappy, it turned me off at the time, as brad mentions upthread its "30% hot garbage" (i might venture it's even more than that).

I saw Kid Rock headline an arena tour in... 2001? 2002? The girl I was dating at the time got free tickets through work and was morbidly curious. All I remember was that at 23 & 25, we were definitely on the young end of the crowd, I would have pegged the average age to be 35 or so. Lots of Harley gear, lots of confederate flags and a huge banner for Joe C. Also remember being fairly impressed by his Twisted Brown Trucker band, especially the drummer. They were surprisingly flexible and good at turning on a dime from hip-hop to southern rock.

the partying/pleasure/celebration aspects that very definitely are the pretezts for much of hip hop and metal/hard rock was strictly forbidden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XusXcfGwvqg

but on "It's On", you're lead to think the chorus is him bellowing "It's On!", and then this alternapop second chorus with a stupid melody comes in right after it

oh man i love the "you see it's my fault / angels stabbing me inside" chorus, i think it's beautiful lol

uh is it possible for me to get all my lapsed korn fans to listen to issues. the absolutely blackened alternametal style they nail on it is way more unsettling and cool than anything on follow the leader imo and the hooks are still enormous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBEE-t-uyI0