the nu-metal canon

i looked at the soad s/t's tracklisting and thought "i don't remember most of these songs" but they're just often obtusely titled, i know this record like the back of my hand lol

"sugar" is kind of a major text of nu-metal for me

lol yeah this song is so sick (when you're 14 in 2000)

"spiders" should have been a big crossover soundtrack hit or something

I think "p.l.u.c.k." is my fave despite the absurd acronym, that chorus is so groovy

the serenity of suffering and the nothing are both excellent comeback records

Huh, guess I need to check out Serenity then.

"suggestions" is like the best song ever made

re: soad, not the excellent korn comeback album serenity of suffering (very much in the vein of the nothing so you'll prob like it jvc)

the first half of the soad s/t has gotta be among the most unbelievably awesome experiences of music ever lol

shake your spear at shakespeare!

don't you! realize! that evil! lives in the motherfucking skin!!!!

is I Against I nu metal?

feels like if you were on the Family Values tour and had a guitar, then you fit.

^ this is the real motherfuckin deal y'all

for my money, the woodstock 99 extended ver of “bawitdaba” is the most nu metal thing imaginable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMKfIXdxh-U

also when limp bizkit blew up the boat at spring break

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpyBybsNX64

RIP, Lynn Strait of Snot was on it at the time

snot should be included -- great album

what about Faith No More?

they maybe feel to nu metal as Led Zeppelin is to heavy metal, foundational to its creation but not a part of it

Interesting that you posted that Kid Rock video as I've always thought of Kid Rock as being adjacent to Nu Metal, but never really fully part of it. Certainly Rap Rock/Metal, but he was always too steeped in Southern Rock and Classic Rock influences to really feel like Nu Metal to me.

yeah agree, he was more authentically hip hop too, his early stuff

this is reminding me that the only Kid Rock music I own is an appearance on an Insane Clown Posse song

"bawitdaba" is a nu-metal song. maybe "i am the bulldog" too but it's not coming to mind readily. everything else i've heard from kid rock is not nu-metal. also, frankly, he sucks too much to be here

limp blowing the boat up is classic tho

what about Faith No More?

they maybe feel to nu metal as Led Zeppelin is to heavy metal, foundational to its creation but not a part of it

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it would be like including helmet or godflesh, too distant from the actual thing even though literally every band mentioned on this thread is almost certainly obsessed with faith no more

fuck, is uncle kracker the hype man in that kid rock woodstock performance

so many audio crimes tied to kid rock

there was a story that Fred Durst met with a Mike Patton to get FNM to reunite for a tour and Patton took off his shoe and pissed in it

Helmet riffing style is definitely a big part of it, also "groove metal" which seems hard to define to the point of being possibly made up

his own shoe or Fred's shoe

his own is how I remember reading it, but tbh the whole thing sounds a little made up

on the other hand, it is Mike Patton

that is beautiful

https://www.newfaithnomore.com/2009/08/18/mike-patton-eats-a-shoelace-and-regurgitates-it/

the video here is dead but it did find this excellent url

in starting this project i've sort of inevitably ended up listening to every korn album

the path of totality is so good, like so much more than the sum of its parts, largely because jonathan davis is an excellent melody writer. then head rejoins the band and the serenity of suffering and the nothing end up largely being able to stand up next to their early material (head seems to be the missing ingredient from their fallow run, from see you on the other side to korn iii, though i've always liked the untitled album)

fascinating and weird band tho. i feel like they've attempted to return to their roots like five times and yet they've never made any records that actually sound like the s/t or life is peachy since

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMiISKntcY

fantastic song

Davis was never my favorite vocalist but I will say he's taken good care of his instrument, he hasn't deteriorated/weakened at all

i absolutely love the Korn vs dubstep (its not just Skrillex on production btw) album.
yet to watch the dvd that came with the edition i got.

ctrl+f "papa roach" 0 results

not true, I got 1 result

watched a sundance film from this year that uses "last resort" as both a punchline to one of the film's best jokes and as a poignant way to underscore the despair of a main character.

as a result of this thread, I listened to the Turbo channel@ Sirius. I gotta say it was kinda neat to listen to, like Saliva, Three days Grace and all these acts I strongly disliked 20 years ago (some of whom I reviewed for RS and Blender as I was the low man on the totem pole who took review assignments where I could get 'em) but then never heard again after 2005, next to 90s Metallica and Pantera. But I could only take so much before going back to Hip Hop Nation.

1. Does anyone else have Sirius who thinks anything about it at all? I've thought of starting a Rolling Sirius thread, but it does seem to me that the average ILMnik is too advanced for a service that wants to be considered a peer of streaming but is really a deeper experience of commercial radio (which I happen to think is an interesting function).

2. It would seem that in Nu-metal, the partying/pleasure/celebration aspects that very definitely are the pretezts for much of hip hop and metal/hard rock was strictly forbidden. After hair metal went down and Cobain went up, hedonism or even acknowledging the allure of good times was unheard of in nu metal. But were there any acts that did indeed get down like that? I guess Kid Rock did (which is why I liked him at the time) but is there anyone else?

Hed PE claimed they smoked weed, drank wine, And would take your daughter onto the tourbus and fuck her from behind.

Not sure if that counts

fuck man! that's one of the bands that I reviewed for RS, and I done completely forgot about 'em!

No worries, the world did too

think hed(pe) are still going, or were until recently, and they were big 9/11 and other conspiracy heds (sic)

listened to korn self-titled and deftones around the fur yesterday. the latter stands up so well, the former is decent, the riffs are groovy, but it didn't blow me away.

i think the drums in the first korn album don't quite sit right with me. on the other hand the slapped low C five string bass has a really pleasant percussive quality. i also am maybe not so into jonathan davis' vocal ticks

ty for this thread, Brad. Nu-metal is largely 'after my time' (where 'my time' = 'an age where I was still acritical enough about my musical consumption to just chill and listen to whatever without too many preconceived notions or the need to approach everything from the perspective of a curator' aka 'the early-to-mid-'90s alt boom') but I'd been thinking recently that I wanted to hear stuff from the genre that actually managed to hold up beyond its moment. Prompted by listening to some Korn singles (the earliest of which were actually released during 'my time').

"bawitdaba" is a nu-metal song. maybe "i am the bulldog" too but it's not coming to mind readily. everything else i've heard from kid rock is not nu-metal. also, frankly, he sucks too much to be here

agreed with all of this. something about the woodstock performance feels iconic to me tho. nu metal as a cultural phenomenon. the laziness and bandwagon-jumping makes it extra-nu to me tbh. "now get in the pit and try to love someone!"

I first heard 'Bullgod' when it was released on some (non-nu) metal sampler tape that came out when I was still in high school so I was like five years ahead of the curve in knowing that Kid Rock sucked shit.

linkin park were the best technicians, I think. a lot of these bands flirted with industrial sounds but were pretty amateurish about it. LP really ran with NIN and depeche mode influences and understood how to write catchy pop music.

I used to hear "Bullgod" on the local "metal" station (WSOU in NJ) in the early to mid 90s. And yeah, Kid Rock always sucked.

xpost yeah, most of the commercial nu-metal groups that actually tried to rawk tended to blow their wad on the same groove patterns, riff-wise, and it got old. hooks were really the way to differentiate yourself, and LP had those in droves. I wouldn't say I was a 'fan', no, but I love a lot of their singles and Chester's voice. one of my least favorites was "One Step Closer" because it sounded too close to other nu-metal bands.

even Korn realized they needed to add some hooks, unfortunately on Follow the Leader, they stuck out like a sore thumb or weren't all that catchy. "Freak On a Leash" (which I hate) at least has an ear-wormy chorus and that ride-out scat pattern, but on "It's On", you're lead to think the chorus is him bellowing "It's On!", and then this alternapop second chorus with a stupid melody comes in right after it. Also, I can't STAND Davis's excessively nasal singing voice on the more melodic material, whereas I could at least tolerate his weird scream style.

I still like Korn's s/t and Follow the Leader, but never find myself wanting to return to them. there's not many moments where I feel like yelling KNICK KNACK PADDY WHACK, GIVE A DOG A BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE

I saw Kid Rock live once. he was opening for Metallica. only tolerable part was the southern rock suite where he actually sang.

his rapping was execrable