the nu-metal canon

typically awful "no budget band in a room FACTOR grant" aesthetic at work here, but I always loved this band, sort of the cancon hum/deftones. they seemed poised for greater things but ended up dissolving shortly after this single came out. their last two albums are def in my personal canon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjfnZQHMkc

Brad - do you place any of the alt-industrial bands in the nu-metal canon? Thinking stuff like Stabbing Westward or Pitchshifter, both had decent singles - especially the former, imho.

incubus s.c.i.e.nc.e.

far tin cans with strings to you

coal chamber self-titled

taproot gift

this feels a little like "bands that wouldn't exist without the Demon Knight soundtrack"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_Knight_(soundtrack)

omg i rewatched demon knight last week and it is totally anticipatory of nu-metal horror

one of the best movies ever

coal chamber self-titled

― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, February 22, 2021 11:27 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

are coal chamber actually good? i guess it's time i found out

i dont know that they're good but they are very much archetypal nu-metal

Brad - do you place any of the alt-industrial bands in the nu-metal canon? Thinking stuff like Stabbing Westward or Pitchshifter, both had decent singles - especially the former, imho.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, February 22, 2021 11:15 AM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

nope!!! even though they technically fit the criteria of "songs that i got into 1999-2000 just because they were set to dragon ball z amvs"

i haven't heard the record for over 20 years, i liked it at the time!

gravity kills also not allowed in

this thread should also double as a general pandemic/quarantine regression thread

listen

2 bands that have been mentioned but not the albums I have the most attachment to:

Deftones: White Pony
Incubus: Make Yourself

Also, the first Soulfly album (last band i saw before the pandemic) and Follow the Leader might deserve to be included too. And Significant Other if not already brought up (I know brad linked to a track in another thread).

white pony is a perfect record, one of the best ever made, and somehow falls outside of the zone i'm creating here

follow the leader is at least 30 percent hot garbage, i included only the big singles for a reason

a rap battle between jonathan davis and fred durst that is mostly gay panic jokes.... not in my canon

White Pony only counts if we’re talking the re-release with the godawful “Mini Maggit” opener.

Nice to see Vapor Transmissions making the cut.

I saw Coal Chamber headline Roseland in NYC in 1999. It was an all-Roadrunner bill with support from Machine Head, promoting The Burning Red, Slipknot, and Amen (a mercifully forgotten punk-metal band). Slipknot's set was basically the first six songs from their s/t album, plus maybe two other songs. It was completely amazing. Nobody else that night could compete. Machine Head were OK, Coal Chamber were boring, but Slipknot blew the walls down.

I will die on the "mini maggit is good" hill

follow the leader was a big disappointment for me at the time. i did the thing, which i ended up doing with lots of bands whose new music i didn't really like, of trying to convince myself that it was good, but i couldn't keep up the pretense for too long.

i considered putting both significant other and chocolate starfish on here but like... not gonna win any hearts with three full limp bizkit albums in the canon lol

maybe this is the thread where i advocate for this song being the best song ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntw1a9_5TwE

issues is prob my favorite korn album but feels like a really dark alt-metal album more than it does nu-metal, thus its absence. i should've included life is peachy tho

a rap battle between jonathan davis and fred durst that is mostly gay panic jokes.... not in my canon

it's cool that the sonics of this era are being repurposed lately but with none of this sort of shit happening, in kind of the same way nu-emo mostly jettisons the old subject matters

a good friend of mine whose taste i usually trust (tbh one of the few friends whose taste i trust but that's for another time) swears by the KoRn/Skrillex collab(s), which i could sorta see since Skrillex kinda rules

ah all of that is valid. yeah Follow the Leader is mostly bad but was huuge at the time and a pretty major mainstream success. but yeah can't imagine it aged well at all. last time I played it in full, I was likely 14

this might be cheating but the family values tour 98' comp might be worth considering. has a good mix of that time period.

oh yes!!! i owned that

it was the first time i ever heard incubus

i have completely excluded incubus from the canon for downright personal reasons

I never really thought of Incubus in the same vein as these other acts, they were more like Filter to me

as much as nu-metal can be pulled apart from funk metal... they were way more the latter in their early career imo, like they sound like really successful faith no more acolytes in a way none of these other bands did xp

Yea "New Skin" feels like an unreleased FNM tune, right down to the vocalist's intonation

the intro to Got The Life is fucking amazing, the scat breakdown still hurts. Remember thinking Mini Maggit was a lame sellout move at the time, and the band basically did admit it was just done to please radio/managers.

Amen didn't fall in with things sound wise. Incredible live band. Well, incredible as a band with someone called Casey Chaos could be. One of my most vivid memories was the Astoria NME show of Alfie / Starsailor / Amen / JJ72, with Casey cutting himself and bleeding on the crowd 30 minutes before "Why won't it snow?"

yeah I think Deftones, Incubus, System of a Down are a bit separate from nu metal in my mind but they got big at the same time and had lots of overlapping fans (including myself). This happened a lot for me when we did the emo/screamo poll too. im not sure if Unwound, late ATDI, Converge 100% fit but the timing of their success had them lumped in.

feels like if you were on the Family Values tour and had a guitar, then you fit. so Deftones fit.

yeah a lot of things "don't quite fit" but it's a somewhat loose genre definition imo. i mentioned far upthread, they're a weird one in the nu-metal canon and are a bit of a precursor of late 90s/early 2000s screamo, more post-hardcore than a lot of nu-metal, but they were playing with deftones, incubus (who i would definitely include, faith no more is an influence on a lot of nu-metal) and sepultura etc.

oh ill vote for them all if there is ever an official poll for this but even as a middle school kid whose whole musical world revolved around this genre, they seemed to be doing their own thing sonically from the rest (incubus, deftones etc.)

feels like if you were on the Family Values tour and had a guitar, then you fit. so Deftones fit.

― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, February 22, 2021 12:59 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

rammstein are i think inarguably not nu metal

a good friend of mine whose taste i usually trust (tbh one of the few friends whose taste i trust but that's for another time) swears by the KoRn/Skrillex collab(s), which i could sorta see since Skrillex kinda rules

I worked for Korn's label when this came out, so discount my opinion if you want, but I was kinda into that record at the time. They did a good job of replicating it live, too.

I never really thought of Incubus in the same vein as these other acts, they were more like Filter to me

― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, February 22, 2021 2:39 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

s.c.i.e.n.c.e has a scratching dj and a lot of attempts at funk iirc. later on they became much more of a mainstream alt rock band.

imo the SOAD self titled record is more "nu" than Toxicity

(the latter is better, though, one of the leanest, meanest major label rock records I've heard)

you are correct but toxicity is so perfect while remaining in the aesthetic realm that... i have a hard time picking the s/t over it

you would think i'd have this dilemma over around the fur and white pony but i don't

the korn dubstep album rules

you know what simon, you're right about the soad s/t. "sugar" is kind of a major text of nu-metal for me

Ha, Take A Look in the Mirror was the last Korn album I heard. Checked out one song of that dubstep one and, no, definitely not for me. I thought The Nothing was pretty good though, though obvious far outside the window for this thread.

the serenity of suffering and the nothing are both excellent comeback records

i looked at the soad s/t's tracklisting and thought "i don't remember most of these songs" but they're just often obtusely titled, i know this record like the back of my hand lol

it could happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeHs0SF2Ks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHOc0qBF15A

huge banger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD8XT2mMrGU

I would like to submit "numbskull" (1999) by ash as a weird case of nu-metal influence warping a non-nu-metal band's sound to hilarious effect

Is there any good jammy or prog nu metal

I mean I know there is, but I’m thinking more like a band where that was their overall direction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZp43zq_54

is this the thread to post this in

Is there any good jammy or prog nu metal

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, March 4, 2021 12:56 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean I know there is, but I’m thinking more like a band where that was their overall direction

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, March 4, 2021 12:56 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i feel like in practice this ends up inevitably sounding like tool. i also can't think of a band where this is their whole thing, as opposed bands who had one album where they tried it (mudvayne's the end of all things to come and dir en grey's uroboros are the two possibilities that came to mind)

that nothingface album isn't exactly prog but it's not not proggy. hm

xp with Brad...

Is there any good jammy or prog nu metal

The second Mudvayne album, The End of All Things to Come, is Tool-ish prog-metal disguised as nu-metal. They even got David Bottrill, who worked with Tool and King Crimson, to produce it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0S9ck12Cd0

Their next album kinda stuck to this direction, but headed a little more toward radio rock.

ive listened to so much nu metal this week. just had an urge to listen to freak on a leash and im doing that right now

dare i revisit the korn unplugged album?

lol i did not even listen to it, cannot see the point of it

i listened to it ironically a few years ago while high in a hotel bedroom at a hot springs resort on my 33rd birthday. definitely wasn't good

but i am now owning my love of korn so maybe im ready now

i had completely forgotten about the existence of "wicked" featuring chino moreno

That’s funny because the only thing I ever remembered about that album was that exact track and their cover of “lowrider”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy17DWrjNT0

omg i forgot how much of a jam this is

animosity is def the best sevendust record that i've heard but it's like... very un-nu-metal for the most part. "shine" is an amazing song but i also thing it embodies what i'm talking about

Animosity is good. the songwriting finally utilizes Lajon's voice properly.

"Xmas Day" is great

going by your op, either of the first two Will Haven recs, qualify maybe?

xp

i finally checked out snot... get some feels a little too funk metal, maybe? but strait up is kind of a scene classic, surprisingly really awesome throughout

i also finished this mix of nu-metal remixes over the weekend and i'm sooo happy with it

https://www.mixcloud.com/brad-nelson4/double-exposures-vol-82-everything-that-i-am-rearranging/

1. kittie: safe (kmfdm inc. remix)
2. mudvayne: dig (future evolution remix)
3. static-x: love dump (mephisto odyssey's voodoo mix)
4. godflesh: crush my soul (ultramixedit)
5. korn: here to stay (bt's managed anger mix)
6. orgy: stitches (green velvet mix)
7. limp bizkit: nookie (androids vs. las putas remix)
8. nine inch nails: the hand that feeds (photek straight mix)

this is awesome so far i am very excited for the BT korn remix!

this kittie/KMFDM remix gives me serious buffy vibes