Believe me, wasn't inferring that at all. I doubt a Jays fan would even formulate that kind of thought about any player--a willingness to throw around money hasn't been their trademark for quite some time (if it ever was...early '90s, maybe).
― clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 21:50 (three years ago) link
(I thought the objection was to linking Tatis/Soto/Acuna. Bichette was just an afterthought.)
― clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 21:55 (three years ago) link
I like Bichette as a comparison because he's an infielder.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 19 February 2021 21:56 (three years ago) link
Tatis, Acuna, and Soto are all awesome, but Bichette isn't that far off on a per-game basis.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 19 February 2021 21:57 (three years ago) link
How about Trout/Harper/Machado after the 2015 season?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 19 February 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link
They might be pretty close, yeah, I'm going to check that. I was fooling around earlier today with Griffey/Thomas/Gonzalez through their age 23 seasons (not quite synchronized--the gap is close to a year-and-half between Thomas and Griffey).
Griffey: 30 HR, 18 SB, .303/.375/.520, 146 OPS+, 6.7 WARThomas: 29 HR, 1 SB, .321/.453/.547, 179 OPS+, 6.9 WARGonzalez: 41 HR, 3 SB, .274/.326/.535, 137 OPS+, 4.0 WAR
Gonzalez was clearly inferior to those two and the current three because of his low OBP. I'd forgotten how great Thomas was, though--that's before his two MVP seasons. His OPS+ stood at 182 through his first eight seasons.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
feel like soto is about to go on an incredible hitting tear, but as long as the others are playing SS/CF it's gonna be hard for him to compete in WAR
― mookieproof, Friday, 19 February 2021 22:27 (three years ago) link
I forgot Acuna signed for 8 years / 100 millions already.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 19 February 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
Actually, a bit of hindsight here but make it Trout/Machado/Betts after 2015
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 19 February 2021 22:53 (three years ago) link
Was just about to post when you mentioned Betts. Through 2015 (the age gap is about a year and two months between Trout and Harper--Trout turns 24 in 2015, but after whatever deadline they set for such things, so it counts as his age 23 season on Baseball Reference).
Trout: 35 HR, 29 SB, .304/.397/.559, 169 OPS+, 9.2 WARHarper: 31 HR, 12 SB, .289/.384/.517, 144 OPS+, 6.3 WARMachado: 25 HR, 11 SB, .281/.330/.458, 114 OPS+, 6.1 WARBetts: 19 HR, 24 SB, .291/.348/.471, 119 OPS+, 6.9 WAR
Good comparison, although Machado and Betts are just getting going as hitters in 2015 (but make up for that in WAR on defense).
― clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 23:00 (three years ago) link
I did think of Trout/Harper earlier, but Machado/Betts slipped my mind as a third wheel.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 23:01 (three years ago) link
(deadline is july 1 for 'age year')
― mookieproof, Friday, 19 February 2021 23:01 (three years ago) link
Agree with you that WAR comparisons within each group become trickier when you've got Tatis (or Machado) in the infield, even with a positional adjustment--hard for Soto to keep up. Putting the three-year age gap aside, Mays/Aaron/Mantle makes more sense as a group.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 23:09 (three years ago) link
a willingness to throw around money hasn't been their trademark for quite some time
This irl made me laugh. Last big extension for the jays was, I think, Vernon Wells.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 20 February 2021 00:34 (three years ago) link
https://www.mlb.com/news/fernando-tatis-jr-injured-on-strikeout
"A left shoulder subluxation"--hope that's less scary than it sounds.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:09 (two years ago) link
if surgery will make his shoulder problems go away forever i hope he just gets it, the pads can probably take the wild card without him
has me thinking of manny machado's fucked up knees, hasn't been on the DL once since he had them taken care of in 2013
― ✖, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
Dislocating your shoulder on a swing, damn. Reminds me of Sammy Sosa throwing his back out sneezing, which I did not comprehend as a possibility until I was 35.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:45 (two years ago) link
all of that otm
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:58 (two years ago) link
in high school i played with a guy (his name was todd but everyone including teachers called him moose) who would maybe twice a year dislocate his shoulder throwing the ball. then he would just kneel on the ground in agony until his brother sprinted out to pop it back in, and then he would be fine. in retrospect that doesn't seem like an ideal process
and yeah i fucking dread sneezing now, for sammy-related reasons. most of the sound i make is pain, not sneeze
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:02 (two years ago) link
Anything you can do, eye can do better. pic.twitter.com/LzXWzzI0Ak— San Diego Padres (@Padres) April 25, 2021
― Andy K, Sunday, 25 April 2021 01:50 (two years ago) link
five homers in 2.5 games jeez
― mookieproof, Monday, 26 April 2021 00:42 (two years ago) link
Three HR last night.
― clemenza, Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:13 (two years ago) link
Thoughtful comment of the day:
“This whole Tatis stuff, man, it almost enrages me,” Papelbon said. “I worked my ass off so long and so hard and did it the right way. For me, to see something like that, it hurts me so bad.
“I’ll tell you right now: If I was pitching, every single time I face that dude I’m drilling him. I don’t care if I’m bringing in a run and losing the game.”
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2022 23:12 (one year ago) link
Waiting for John Rocker and Curt Schilling to weigh in.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2022 23:16 (one year ago) link
Forgot about this thread
Fernando Tatis Jr. is bringing steroids back to baseball
― ✖, Monday, 15 August 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link
A companion thread for my Stealing the Sign: the Carlos Correa Thread.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2022 23:41 (one year ago) link
Speaking of whom, Correa provides thoughtful comment of the day, part II:
“Wow,” the slugger told media before Friday’s game. “If there’s one thing I don’t respect it’s a cheater. I’ll leave it at that.”
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 03:26 (one year ago) link
wow this thread title
― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 03:40 (one year ago) link
Xp Correa quote was 'satire'
― ✖, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 05:18 (one year ago) link