That was the frustrating thing - it seemed like everything was a watered down version of something that was done better just a few years back. I'd been listening to KUNI, a college station that broadcast throughout Iowa, with shows covering punk, post-punk, new wave, experimental electronic stuff, reggae, early hip hop pretty comprehensively. I was absorbing all that, and wondering why nearly all the good bands seemed to have combusted by 1983. I felt like I was stuck in a wasteland with no new music to call my own. I appreciated how The Smiths and Cure really spoke to the adolescent condition, but I felt more than half the songs on their current albums were shit.
Hindsight trickled in some good finds, and plenty of spotty albums with a couple good tracks. But I'd say '85 was the low point of the 80s. No wonder the 20th anniversary felt like deja vu...
― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 06:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 06:20 (eighteen years ago) link
www.acclaimedmusic.net
1 The Jesus and Mary Chain Psychocandy2 Tom Waits Rain Dogs3 Prefab Sprout Steve McQueen/Two Wheels Good4 The Pogues Rum, Sodomy & the Lash5 Kate Bush Hounds of Love6 Hüsker Dü New Day Rising7 New Order Low-Life8 The Replacements Tim9 The Fall This Nation's Saving Grace10 Sam Cooke Live at the Harlem Square Club 196311 Dire Straits Brothers in Arms12 The Waterboys This Is the Sea13 LL Cool J Radio14 The Cure The Head on the Door15 The Smiths Meat Is Murder16 Hüsker Dü Flip Your Wig17 The Velvet Underground VU18 Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles19 Talking Heads Little Creatures20 R.E.M. Fables of Reconstruction21 John Cougar Mellencamp Scarecrow22 Eurythmics Be Yourself Tonight23 Meat Puppets Up on the Sun24 Prince and The Revolution Around the World in a Day25 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds The Firstborn Is Dead26 The Mekons Fear and Whiskey27 Scritti Politti Cupid & Psyche 8528 Suzanne Vega Suzanne Vega29 Dexy's Midnight Runners Don't Stand Me Down30 Whitney Houston Whitney Houston31 Mantronix Mantronix: The Album32 John Fogerty Centerfield33 The Blasters Hard Line34 Simple Minds Once Upon a Time35 Keith Jarrett Standards Live36 The Sisters of Mercy First and Last and Always37 Einstürzende Neubauten 1/2 Mensch38 Robyn Hitchcock and The Egyptians Fegmania!39 The Style Council Our Favourite Shop/Internationalists40 Luther Vandross The Night I Fell in Love41 The Golden Palominos Visions of Excess42 Marillion Misplaced Childhood43 Tears for Fears Songs from the Big Chair44 Bryan Ferry Boys and Girls45 Artists United Against Apartheid Sun City46 Simply Red Picture Book47 Barbra Streisand The Broadway Album48 Run-D.M.C. King of Rock49 The Cult Love
― BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 08:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Rate Your Music. What is that???
Let me guess. You were between 6-12, if that, then. What's Hessian about this list?? And what does Hessian mean?
I was one year out of my Ph.D and Judas Priest was outselling all the few metal bands on this feeble "list" combined. The mention of the Scorpions second and very duff live album as significant only reveals the compilers as morons. And Bathory must have sold all of 700 copies. I think I knew half the people who bought them.
― George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 09:38 (eighteen years ago) link
this is an experiment...how much does marijuana REALLY impair one's memory...wading back thru the haze..not in order...10pts...letsee
New Order - Low LifeTalking Heads - Little CreaturesJohn Cougar Mellencamp - ScarecrowEurthymics - Be Yourself TonightScritti Politti - Cupid & Psyche 85The Fall -- This Nation's Saving GracePrefab Sprout -- Two Wheels GoodVarious Artists -- GoGo Crankin'
after this I'm blanking out...maybe Sonic Youth Minutemen & Tones On Tail? I definitely reviewed 3Way Tie For Last in 86 tho.
singles I voted for "Sun City" "Death Valley 69" and I don't know what else. OH YEAH "Running Up That Hill" by Kate Bush and "Single Life" by Cameo, my anthem at that point in time.
COMMENTS: Tim was the universal rock critics' fave rave. Dinosaur Jr didn't attract much attention until their 2nd album IIRC. Scarecrow was widely admired for its "politics." I liked the fiddle. I was a major Smiths fan, reviewed the debut in the Village Voice and must admit I thought Meat Is Murder was a stinker, then and now. in 1985 the general hostility against the Smiths among rock critics was intense and near universal in the States however, Morrissey really got on people's nerves.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Could you give me some examples of this? I don't see any.
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link
I was 16 in 1985.
What's Hessian about this list??
Lotsa metal. Not even a complaint necessarily as I am a huge supporter of the dark arts. In fact, Feel The Fire (#88) was the first piece of vinyl I owned right after I got my first turntable. But it is pretty pervasive on that list. I haven't looked at 1986 - possibly the best year ever for metal - but it must be quite loud.
And what does Hessian mean?
Wiki
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link
2) Interesting how important a political POV seemed to be in 1985. Four years of Reagan I guess.
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm relieved that some things never change.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link
this always strikes me strange about now - considering all the hate you hear about Bush, you'd think "college radio" would be full of political music.
― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link
American Idiot sewed up that market.
If I remember right, this was around the time Dave Marsh said that Lionel Richie's "Penny Lover" would be more of a landmark/influence on the future than anything the Smiths did. I kinda hope he gets up every day, gets down on his knees and prays to Whatever Deity is Out There If Any that at least he didn't say it was the video for "Hello."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link
Hello? [This is Spencer Chow's first and only thread. Please read even if you hate me because I think it is very important.]
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link
Now, The Queen is Dead vs Dancing on the Ceiling? Keats and Yeats are on Lionel's side, but Wilde is on Moz's.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link
BB, it's to do with this assumption then that somehow listening to the Talking Heads made you automatically superior to rock and pop filth. This is in large part why I hate the Talking Heads.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link
Ned: I'm surprised you of all people are blaming fans and marketing for your distaste.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link
Little Creatures was more about punks growing middle-aged, settling down having kids etc. Sounded boring and complacent when I put it on a couple years ago, Talking Heads at the worst IMO.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link
Talking Heads for the Borders buyers before it existed? I guess it was forward reaching after all.
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link
now that I'm a bonafide middle-aged parent I can see Little Creatures is more like bohemians passing 30, but same diff.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link
I think Lovebug is putting it best here. At best I am savagely indifferent to Graceland, a song or two aside. And I used to own THAT as well, so my annoyance is not simply based on fans and marketing, thank you very much. (I seriously think Talking Heads are easily the most overrated band of the last thirty years. [Last fifty -- the Stones, of course.])
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link
R&B was below most rock critics' radar creens in 1985. Thinking back, I must've chosen "Hanging On A String (Contemplating)" by Loose Ends and "Nightshift' by Commodores as top singles. Otherwise, drawing a blank. I can't check my reference books right now and determine whether 1985 was a good year overall for R&B. The fact that I need to look it up might not be a good sign.
1985 was kind of a hangover year after 1984. Look that year up.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link
This should help you out:
http://rockmetonight.blogspot.com/2004_03_01_rockmetonight_archive.html
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link
Dancing In The Key Of Life Steve Arrington
was definitely on my Top Ten and my turntable in 1985
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Debarge's "Rhythm of the Night" was great! And The Night I Fell In Love. And Jeffry Osborne and (sigh) Whitney Houston. Guess it was a pretty good year, coming off a halfdecade of great ones.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link
I loved Meat is Murder (still my favorite Smiths album, my only favorite Smiths album really). I remember seeing some favorable reviews of the Smiths at around this time, but it was mostly a word of mouth/heard them played in clubs type of thing for me.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
Kinda makes me wonder about Christgau's annual cries of the institutional racisim in Pazz & Jop.
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link
Can someone give me a bit of perspective here: in the alt-y circles I ran in around this time, people listened to New Order and the Cure but the Smiths didn't seem to break until Louder Than Bombs. (And we're talking provincial US). Is this how it really was, or is this just a weird local idiosyncracy?
-- mitya doesn't need no stinkin' password (mity...), January 18th, 2006 12:02 AM.
From the East Coast perspective, Meat Is Murder was The Smiths' breakthrough, courtesy of "How Soon Is Now."
Christgau put Sonic Youth's "I Killed Christgau With My Big Fucking Dick" on his singles list, but that was likely more revenge-motivated than content-motivated seeing as how he appended the parenthetical "And Now It Don't Work No More."
http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/deans85.php
The Rate Your Music poll is much more on-point than the Pazz & Jop, both from a hindsight perspective and from an at-the-time perspective.
# of P&J top 10 albums I purchased in 1985: 3# of RYM top 10 albums I purchased in 1985: 6
The RYM top 40 is a lot more eclectic than the P&J, which is indicative of critics' groupthink tendencies, especially when it comes to end of year lists. I'd much rather get stuck on a desert island with the RYM list than P&J's, if only to get the goodies by Foetus, Einsturzende, The Fall, and Butthole Surfers.
Other juicy '85 obscurities:Killing Joke - Night Time Black Flag - In My Head Live Skull - Bringing Home The BaitSlovenly - After the Original StyleBig Black - Racer X ('84?)Swans - Raping A Slave ('84?)Drunks With Guns first 7"Schooly D - PSK What Does It Mean? 12"9353 - We Are Absolutely Sure There Is No God
― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link
I remember liking the title and then finding the actual album very blah.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
their first show in new york was THE show to see. i'm still mad that i couldn't go. my friends went :(
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Psychocandy: I remember liking the title and then finding the actual album very blah.
― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link
some things change, some stay the same...
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link
I know what you mean Scott, I was in college from '79 to 83 and got into all kinds of exciting stuff. I think I first contributed to P & J in 83 or 84. Yea, after I sent the Voice a copy of my zine Thrillseeker and complained in the letters to the editor one year about the lack of votes for the Fall's 'Hex Enduction Hour' (I think?) I got added.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link
8. Husker Du - New Day Rising6. Husker Du - Flip Your Wig40. The Minutemen - 3-Way Tie (for Last)36. Professor Longhair - Rock 'n' Roll Gumbo23. Meat Puppets - Up on the Sun12. The Velvet Underground - VU25. The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy1. Talking Heads - Little Creatures16. Bob Dylan - Biograph
Ones that meant a lot to me as the '80s went on:
37. LL Cool J - Radio [my first CD]2. The Replacements - Tim32. Run-D.M.C. - King of Rock11. Sam Cooke - Live at the Harlem Square Club, 1963
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link
"I Wonder If I Take You Home" Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam "Set it Off" Strafe
1985 was also the year of ROXANNE: UTFO's "Roxanne, Roxanne" and its answer records including Ms Shante's immortal "Roxanne's Revenge"
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 22 January 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link