Do we like the Scissor Sisters?

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I agree that the UK bonus tracks are good, but not great. "Rock My Spot (Crevice Canyon)," which is the b-side to "Comfortably Numb" is much better.

Out of curiosity, Jellybean - did they perform "It Can't Come Quickly Enough" or "Return To Oz" when you saw them?

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

They didn't do either of those at the Birmingham show which was frustrating as they're my favourite ones off the new album. They finished with Filthy Gorgeous (sans monologue, I think?) and did Music Is The Victim as an encore.

I love Tits On The Radio, but it is miles better live yeah, they did it with a synth bassline instead of a guitar and it sounded immense.

ferg (Ferg), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

i just got the album (thank you amazon uk!). is it bad to say that i like the demo version of 'laura (simone)' an eense better than the version on the full-length?

maura (maura), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

They ditched all the monologues in Brum, possibly in protest at the ugly stage and the crash barriers.

Comfortably Numb sounded an awful lot beefier live than on record too. But generally it was all quite smashing, ignoring the shortness of the set and the Worst Support Band Ever (Syntax - A Tribute To The Solo Work Of Dave Gahan)

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

I cower before Syntax's awfulness.

ferg (Ferg), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

yeah. they didn't do those 2 songs in Oxford. I guess the set is pretty similar for the entire tour.

Syntax were crap. I got so annoyed with them, I didn't understand why everyone around me was getting really into their set and raving it up.

jellybean (jellybean), Thursday, 12 February 2004 11:27 (twenty years ago) link

I dissent! I dissent! We luuurved Syntax at the Leicester Charlotte on Monday (although after the 1st support act, one David Wrench, a hopeless Matt Johnson soundalike who MURDERED Radiohead's Creep, anything would have sounded good). A bit like Dirty Vegas (oh, stop your tutting: DV made dull records but they sounded great live).

The Scissor Sisters played the album MINUS It Can't Come Quickly Enough, Mary & Return To Oz, i.e. all the slow stuff. This was my one disappointment with what was otherwise a typically fantastic set (3rd time I've seen them). They also played The Skins, Rock My Spot (Crevice Canyon), and two new unrecorded songs which I think Matthew mentioned on his Fluxblog review: a fabulous throbbing campy disco stormer probably called Magnifique (a bit Lene Lovich in places, and a dead cert future hit), and a reggae-tinged tune (a bit Ace Of Base in places, if truth be told, but nice enough).

Ropey sound at the start was sorted out after the second song, and after an interlude during which Ana Matronic improvised a "performance art" piece based around her favourite trashy US soap, while the band improvised a suitably filmic soundtrack. They got off on the Charlotte being such a sleazy, sweaty, dark hole of a joint, ("We love playing places like this!") comparing it to CBGB's.

Highlights were the best version I've heard them do of C.Numb, and the aforementioned Magnifique. Main set ended with Filthy/Gorgeous, Jake started the encore with an impromptu accapella of a Sinatra song, beautifully sung but I forget which song, then the band encored with Music Is The Victim.

Quite a few grizzly old hippies knocking around the venue, who had presumably come along on account of Comfortably Numb (I spotted plentiful sage head-nodding when this was played). Why, one of them even hugged me for wearing a Camembert Electrique T-shirt...

What I like about the Scissor Sisters on stage: their immense enjoyment in performing, and the balance between their larger-than-life personas and an utterly down-to-earth, unassuming quality. Still my favourite band, then.

mike t-diva, Thursday, 12 February 2004 13:04 (twenty years ago) link

I used to know somebody in a synthpoppish band called Syntax - any sites/pics around?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 12 February 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

That's too bad that they didn't do "Mary" for you all - that was one of the highlights when I saw them in NYC.

I'm wondering right now if they never play "It Can't Come Quickly Enough" and "Return To Oz" - the latter seems like a pretty obvious live tune to me. If I saw them do "...Quickly Enough," I'd probably get tears of joy! I've come to really love that song.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 12 February 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

I'm wondering: Was Ana's favorite trashy soap by any chance The OC?

Also, does anyone know if they are doing any radio sessions or having any of their shows broadcast on the radio while they are in Europe?

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 12 February 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

i thought it made sense that they didn't play any of the slower songs. Most of the audience there would only have heard Comfortably Numb and maybe Laura, so if they played the slower stuff the set might have dragged a bit

jellybean (jellybean), Thursday, 12 February 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

Matthew: It had a one word name: Dazzle, or Sparkle, or Diamond, or Precious, or...nope, forgotten it. Something spangly, anyhow. When Jake re-appeared with a fixed mike, he added his own endorsement.

Tico: Syntax are Mike Tournier (music, ex-Fluke) and Jan Burton (vocals), although there were 4 people on stage (I think). MP3s for the forthcoming album are here. Official site is here. More blah and a photo here.

mike t-diva, Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, thanks, it's not them then.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Jake from Scissor Sisters was flirting outrageously with Simon Amstell on Popworld. It was really hot.

lid, Sunday, 14 March 2004 11:36 (twenty years ago) link

Rrrrrrrowl.

Anyone heard Heron? He's like a one-man Scissor Sisters! Well, I've not seen him live, but that's what the album sounds like...he's probably not a go-go dancer.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 14 March 2004 13:07 (twenty years ago) link

'Comfortably Numb' is a bad song. It is still bad when the Scissors Sisters cover it. I feel that the Scissors Sisters are this year's Junior Senior (ie no good but inexplicably popular with people who ought to know better).

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 14 March 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

Those other Sisters that cover "Comfortably Numb" do it really well, though, redeeming the original.

anode (anode), Sunday, 14 March 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

Scissor Sisters of Mercy, there's an idea.

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I do not like the scissor sisters, their music makes me feel unhappy.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

rotten gig on saturday @ astoria.

so much good feeling/good will/positive anticiapation vibes visbly draining from the crowd. there was a slagging in the paper for the norwich gig too ('very ordinary cabaret'). all a bit of a yawn.

next!

piscesboy, Monday, 5 April 2004 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

What's "Backwoods Discotheque" on the Take Your Mama single like? Better than "Backwoods Pt II" off the demo? I gather it's not exactly the same song...

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

Their (or Ana's) favourite soap is called "Passions" I think... she sold it to me. It sounded kinda like Sunset Beach (in the "I'm your secret long lost brother and I do VOODOO!" "no!" "Yes! It is I who bring you to this place to bear witness to your third cousin's rampant affair with your brothers dog's owner!" "I still love you!" way).

Apparently they had guitar problems at a recent show, and they acted out whole scenes from it. I appreciate that.

John Cei Douglas, Monday, 5 April 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

I'm so glad that "Backwoods" is getting released! That's fantastic.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 5 April 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
'Comfortably Numb' is a bad song. It is still bad when the Scissors Sisters cover it. I feel that the Scissors Sisters are this year's Junior Senior (ie no good but inexplicably popular with people who ought to know better).

No, United States of Electronica (worst band name ever) is this year's Junior Senior.

scottontharox (scottkundla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

why compare these guys to the bee gees?, they sound WAAAY closer to Elton John..

chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris, "Comfortably Numb" sounds like The Bee Gees. "Take Your Mama Out" sounds like Elton John. Single comparisons don't work for the Scissor Sisters b/c they have a deliberately chameleonic approach.

I was deeply ambivalent about them initially but I really like the album now.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

At different times they sound like a lot of other bands, including The Bee Gees, Elton John, Erasure, The Darkness, Pink Floyd, Prince, and even Steely fuckin Dan, man.

scottontharox (scottkundla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

the album is okay, but implying that any of their songs contain the sophistication of Prince or Steely Dan or the Bee Gees is a collosal fucking joke. The Scissor Sisters stuff is fun and goofy, but it isn't particularly complex or stuffed with masterful musicianship.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"Laura" >>>>> the entire Steely Dan catalog except for maybe "Through With Buzz"

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

you're insane. Have you actually listened to Katy Lied, Aja, etc?

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

We've listened to Aja enough.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Shakey, all three bands you mention are frequently fun and goofy. If there is a problem with Scissor Sisters it's certainly not that their music isn't sophisticated or masterful - if anything what put me off the album initially was that it sounded too studied and thought through.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I still wish they were Bobby Conn with DFA beats.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

They're just not fun enough for me.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sayin I don't like the Scissor Sisters record - I'm saying that in terms of pop composition, musical technique, actual playing chops, etc. Steely Dan, Prince, and the Bee Gees were all INSANELY technically accomplished. Those guys were all highly trained musicians working in a very tight idiom that required a voluminous knowledge of music theory and pop history in order to get over. The Scissor Sisters play shit that the Ramones could play. Those parts are not hard, their songs are simple, there's nothing particularly innovative or daring in their arrangements or in the way the songs are performed. They're slick, yes, but that's just the computers and the budget talkin.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i find it nearly impossible to believe the mimsy joke i heard on "comfortably numb" is fit to lick the dirt from steely dan's toenails

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

on top of that, lyrically Steely Dan's stuff is pretty complex and fun to dissemble - they're jammed with details and sly turns of phrase. Prince too (albeit in a very different way - and he's fully capable of atrocious lyrics). The Scissor Sisters don't tell stories, their lyrics aren't dark counterpoints to the music, they don't even have particularly memorable lyrical hooks (apart from that 'take your mother out tonight' line). Masterful popsmiths these guys are not. They're more like bubblegum songs, Chinn/Chapman, that kind of thing.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Besides "Take Your Mother Out" is a note-for-note rip of the Primals "Loaded" - right down to the beat, the wah-wah guitar part, and the piano-led chord progression (which iteslf is copped from "Sympathy for the Devil"). That ain't genius pop musicianship - that's laziness, funny tho it may be.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I find the subtext of "Take Your Mother Out" to be pretty sad, actually. The predicament in the song reminds me of a lot of people I know.

Strongo, I'd argue that "Comfortably Numb" is the weakest moment on the album.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Steely Dan can be alright, but they could never be half as great as a POP band as the Scissor Sisters. Songs like "Laura" and "Better Luck" stomp all over them in this respect.

Though I respect chops, they really aren't necessary to pull off a great pop song. The Scissor Sisters aren't virtuosos on the level of Prince or Steely Dan, but that isn't really what they are going for.

Bubblegum > "dark counterpoints"

Prince's lyrics > Becker & Fagan's lyrics

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Scissor Sisters = music primarily to sing along and dance to

Steely Dan = music to write a thesis paper about

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't understand why anyone is comparing them to Steely Dan in the first place. It's probably more accurate to compare them to George Michael circa Faith.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

And ha, George Michael > Steely Dan!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

are you fuckin mad??? Do I need to remind you that Steely Dan actually had radio pop HITS on the charts??!? For years?!? The Scissor Sisters haven't reached a fraction of the pop audience that Steely Dan had in their heyday. I don't think I understand what your definition of "pop" is... but yeah, I don't get how anyone could compare Steely Dan to the Scissor Sisters. They don't sound anything alike as far as I can tell, and obviously their respective approaches to music couldn't be more different.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Could some please get Shakey a bib?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

fetch me a Manhattan on the rocks while you're at it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link


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