Scritti Politti: Classic Or Dud

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"I'd just like to point out that Green was one of the nicest, most full-of-interesting-things-to-say people I've ever interviewed. I wish he made more records."

Green was one of the rudest, begrudging, non-responsive wankers I ever tried to interview (1985). But then, maybe he was hungover or having a bad day. Of course I can be an asshole at times, too.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Friday, 25 February 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I just heard a snippet of the song he wrote for Chaka Khan, "Love of a Lifetime." Wow!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 25 February 2005 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't heard that since 1988, I think!

JoB (JoB), Friday, 25 February 2005 00:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Marcello Carlin says the following (found after I posted my question above):

In any case, the version of "The 'Sweetest Girl'" heard here is different from the more familiar version heard on 1982's Songs To Remember album, with which every child should be issued at birth. There is a different vocal, though gliding with equal ease from the personal to the political and back again ("She left because she understood the value of defiance") and Robert Wyatt's keyboards are much more in evidence, with greater deployment of dub echo. The rather dry album mix now turns into a hymn whose tender grandeur allows us to forget the persuasive poison in its heart, though it's a shame that the track is faded before Wyatt reaches his dissonant keyboard coda (and how appropriate that Robert Wyatt should now enter the Scritti story in the environment of a song which arguably could not have been possible without the precedent of "Oh Caroline," not to mention "Sea Song").

The original B-side, "Lions After Slumber," is similarly far spikier and far more sheerly danceable than its album version, with slap bass and entertainingly discursive Chris McGregor-ish piano both played by the mysterious "Mike" (does anyone out there know exactly who this was?) backing a far more voluptuous vocal itemising by Green of everything he owns and which defines him, tangible and intangible.

paul c (paul c), Friday, 25 February 2005 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I say classic. C&P85 is almost flawless. Heard Absolute today and loved it, despite being sooooo 80s. Provision is half a great album (the 12" mix of Oh Patti is tres smooth, and the Miles Davis touch is a, er, perfect way to complete the song). Reintroduced recently to A&B, and re-liked a lot it. Mainly only familiar with Asylums in Jerusalem from any earlier work, so this new comp. will be gotten, even though its apparently far from the more recent glosspop.

And Love of a Lifetime was a great fit for Chaka!

peepee (peepee), Friday, 25 February 2005 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic classic classic.

Wood Beez is as fresh today as it ever was. I bought Cupid & Psyche three times as a soulstruck 13 year old (WH Smith was always the master of duff tape copies, so I switched to LP in the end), and picked it up again on CD last year. A couple of years later, Provision was my most anticipated album, and it doesn't disappoint. Anomie & Bonomie is another perfectly produced gem, but maybe a notch or two below the rest. Didn't pick up Songs To Remember until a couple of years back, but it's right up there too- probably the most-played band on my trusty iRiver.

I bought Early the other day, and played it directly after Bloc Party. I don't think bands should bother competing with the original early 80s set.

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Friday, 25 February 2005 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

.. and the version of "Sweetest Girl" on the C81 sampler is different to all the others... (This I think is Version 1)

Grouty, Friday, 25 February 2005 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

... and is the best version

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 25 February 2005 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought "A Perfect Way" when it was a single in America, I still have the 45. I must've been 11. I didn't buy a lot of "pop singles" or any kind of records back then but I thought that was the greatest song. And I remember listening to the dance mix on the b-side and thinking, "This sucks, it's the same song but they play this one part over and over and over again. That's dumb."

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Friday, 25 February 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Just for the record, I've interviewed him twice and met him a few times in (what used to be) my local in Dalston and I've always found him an utterly charming, rather amusing and very polite fellow. So there. Incidentally, Green mentioned his cats in a Time Out interview recently: it provoked a reply in the letters page from one a neighbours complaining of Green's excessively militant moggie bullying the other cats in the street.

john lewis (johnnylewis), Saturday, 26 February 2005 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link

my fave sp mixes are on virgin hit pack compilation
perfect way (extended version)
mastermind mix9wood beez/absolute/hypnotize)

aretha franklin, Saturday, 26 February 2005 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned quoted some bits from it above but Green's bafflingly negative assesments of the stuff contained on "Early" are worth typing out in full here, i think.

"It's been a long, long time since i heard this stuff. It sounds like an anti-produced labour of negativity, kind of structurally unsound and exposed, by design and default, If you felt generous you might say it was music with the questions built in and the assurances left out - otherwise you could just judge it gauche and technically unaccomplished. Whatever.

These are the first songs i wrote, recorded by the first Scritti Politti line up of Tom Morely (drums and drum machines) Nial Jinks (bass) and me, Green Gartside (vocals and guitar). We were living in a tiny squat in Camden Town at the time. Tom and I had just left School where the 'conceptual art' thing had led to a deeper interest in philiosophy. Nial and I had been together since schooldays, his marxist background was where our critical thinking began. We were united by our love of pop music (all terms used advisedly here). Inspired by seeing the Clash, Pistols, Damned and the Heartbreakers on night and Galvinised into action by d.i.y. pioneers "The Desperate Bicyles - we formed a group and started to play.

Although this music doesn't seem equal to conveying the ides and influences that informed it, perhaps a gereral drift and shifting of Musical Passions and theoretical passions is discernable, I think in the final minutes i can definately hear one place, one voice, one life being left and another being entered - blimey!

It's murky and frail stuff cut from old vinyl (the masters are long lost) i found it evocative of extraordinary times and a bit wiceworthy. Hopefully you'd find it at least - um - interesting. There's some nice bits especially the drumming and bass playingand Robet Wyatt's keyboards on "The Sweetest Girl" alone are worth your attention.

see you later.

Green Gartside"

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

that's from "early"s liner notes btw.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

the very first day i moved to london in 1983 i saw tom morely on a bicycle!!

i have never seen or heard of him since

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"wiceworthy"? Why not.

mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Bought Early last night. Had already heard the music on it, but it's real real nice to have a CD of this stuff. And it sounds great! I couldn't discern that it was mastered from vinyl.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i'm happy to have it now rather than just on .mp3 - i can hear so much more detail, lots of things i had missed.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

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Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

:-(

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link


I used to have a rare 12" of a toasting version of "The Word Girl" by Tippa Irie or someone which I bitterly regret losing, if anyone by any chance has a digital version of it I'd be eternally grateful.

rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

The toasting's by Ranking Ann. It's on the cd version of Cupid & Psyche.

robertw, Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

cupid and psyche is one of my favorite albums ever. it's so bright and shiny and capitalist sounding. it reminds me of nyc for some reason. every once in awhile i'll pull it out and it turns into a brief obsession of superlatives in my head. i haven't heard any other scritti albums though.

basquiat (disco stu), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Love love love them. Have had C+S since it came out, first on casette and then on CD, one of the few bands I have continued to be a fan of from early teen years.

Say, I have a 7" pressing of "Jacques Derrida/Asylums in Jerusalem", and of "Faithless" (both Rough Trade original pressings) - would they be worth anything at all? I always figured not really.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 28 February 2005 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Put C+S'85 and a few songs off Provision on a cd the other day and it was
so great to listen to them again. God, I love(d) that band. The arrangements and production still awe me.

One of my best memories from my last job (recording studio) was telling Tawatha Agee, Fonzi Thornton and BJ Nelson (background vocalists) how much I loved them on the Scritti records (among others). They seemed pretty amazed I knew about their work on them.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 28 February 2005 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I was going to play "Songs to remember" in the car this morn,off the minidisc I made (with the 12" Faithless substituted). But I left it at home.

MG, Monday, 28 February 2005 10:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I just heard "Jacques Derrida" for the first time last night, and have since downloaded some other songs, and Scritti Politti sounds almost nothing like what I'd expected. I was thinking something very much along the lines of the Human League or Depeche Mode.

Closer to Steely Dan or something (not exactly of course). The singing is way more palatable than I'd expected.

It's really weird that I somehow never knowingly heard anything by SP, considering how much college radio I was listening to at the time they would have been active.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Jacques Derrida" sounds like Simon and Garfunkel and the Beatles (and others), but also like nothing else.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes.

p.s. Dat Da Dat da do be do hoo hoo

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Is anyone else the proud owner of Scritti Politti - Early. I just picked it up today and it's my first exposure to the band.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

No one ever said if my 7" singles were worth owt :(

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

They are worth owt.

mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 12 March 2005 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Also ILM please STFU about Scritti Politti. It's annoying to read about this poncy 25-years-ago band over and over. Thanks.
-- KENNY LOG IN (____________...) (webmail), March 15th, 2005 1:07 PM. (link)

(From the Alex NYC KJ fixation thread.)

How annoying, exactly?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 17 March 2005 08:58 (nineteen years ago) link

300 new posts by tomorrow please

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 17 March 2005 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i know it's cheeky to request outside of request threads but can anyone mail me 'She's A Woman' if they have it? yes i am aware it is rub

Sven Bastard (blueski), Thursday, 17 March 2005 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not rubbish - I'll take it any day over the original.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 17 March 2005 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I like this thread.

mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 19 March 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

So did most people GET Green's post-structuralist tricks in 1985 or did he have to explain it to them? How big was the album in the US? I remember hearing "Perfect Way" back then and just loving that twitchy beat and synth-bass; it took me years for me to marvel how he'd managed to smuggle "interrogative" into a pop song.

The album hit #50. Provision topped at #113. "Perfect Way" was #11, "Wood Beez" #91 or something like that, and "Boom! There She Was" made it to #54 or somewhere around there.

Is anyone else the proud owner of Scritti Politti - Early. I just picked it up today and it's my first exposure to the band.
Bought it as soon as it came out. Went straight to Vinyl Fever after school and bounced like I was on a pogo stick when I had it in my hands. I ended up buying another copy later on that day at another store (as I had pre-ordered it but they didn't tell me it was in yet) and gave it to my friend Courtney because she is the only person I know around here who'd appreciate it and I wanted to share the experience with someone I knew. She quite loves it. "Doubt Beat" makes her smile.

"Jacques Derrida" sounds like Simon and Garfunkel and the Beatles (and others), but also like nothing else.
To me it starts out like a gentler version of The Monochrome Set before exploding into something that seems to have been left off of Prince's Dirty Mind for not being sparse enough.

Say, I have a 7" pressing of "Jacques Derrida/Asylums in Jerusalem", and of "Faithless" (both Rough Trade original pressings) - would they be worth anything at all? I always figured not really.
Fuck, keep those, they're fabulous. I certainly wouldn't sell them!

What we want? Sex with T.V. stars! What you want? Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Ma, Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Best Voice Ever

Not Even Better Than George Michael

(OK, the "Wood Beez" vocal is pretty good.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 10 August 2006 06:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Reynolds on Cupid and Psyche 85 era music: "A mosaic of hyper-syncopations and micro-rhythmic intricacies."

Totally overblown overstatement.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I really love "Cupid & Psyche" and the underrated "Provision". As for "Songs To Remember", I do like "The Sweetest Girl", but I still think Madness did it better.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I was pondering your love for the album, actually! It is not all that "melodic." Sounds maybe like average '80s soul/R&B album filler compositions (though I like the two singles OK).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link

There isn't an older album I've heard this year more often than CAP '85. Reread Simon, Tim: he's quite ambivalent about Mega Pop Green, which makes his advocacy of White Belly Black Beer curious.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Looking at it again, I find that section peculiar (end of Ch. 21 in the UK edition). Everything is praised and spun positively until the end when it is all questioned on political (and presumably aesthetic also) grounds.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Sounds maybe like average '80s soul/R&B album filler compositions

OK, no. Sorry - listening to it for the first times after buying a copy for a dollar. Am not the biggest lyrics guy in the world. Listening to it for the second time while paying attention to the lyrics (which I didn't do first time), the compositions "sunk in" more.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 11 August 2006 02:32 (seventeen years ago) link

five years pass...

We got a bit carried away (assuming it would sell out instantly and at most one of us would succeed in getting tickets) and bought one more pair than we needed for the Thursday night of this:

http://www.scritti.net/

So if anyone wants two tickets at face value, let me know.

toby, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

Go on I'll have em...not likely to see Scritti at a venue this small in a hurry...

The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

Cool - webmail sent.

toby, Thursday, 3 November 2011 06:41 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

Scritti are playing live with Michael Clarke at the Tramway in Glasgow for his new work.... i got tickets for two of the three nights, i thought all three would be excessive.

The Work is on at the Barbican too from the 17th-27th of october but I can't confirm Scritti's live presence that night.

jed_, Thursday, 27 September 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

those nights, rather.

jed_, Thursday, 27 September 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

Do you have a link?

'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Thursday, 27 September 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link


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