De La Soul - Classic or Dud?

The other reason this is wrong is that buhloone mind state is totally unlike the first two albums. It's much more sober, less chaotic, and has none of the earlier playfulness.

― candyman, Monday, February 15, 2021 11:56 AM

"oh, i'm sorry. i didn't know we were going back to that."

I enjoy the 1993 album "Buhloone Mind State" from the all-time great rap band De La Soul.
I also enjoy the 2001 album "Art Official Intelligence: Bionix" from the excellent rap band De La Soul.
These album, along with most of their albums, are very good albums.
Thanks for your time!

the all-time great rap band De La Soul

yes.

the excellent rap band De La Soul

also yes.

Yeah, Art Official Intelligence: Bionix was surprisingly good - Mosaic Thump didn't feel like much past a few good singles, so I wasn't sure if they had it in them to make an album like that. The first three, Stakes Is High and Bionix are all excellent-to-great.

i always forget how good Held Down is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ckWYPMqPc

i thought mosaic thump was disappointing at the time. it's okay, i guess. bionix was a clear and obvious return to form.

even though it was an obvious attempt to get on the radio, i liked "shoomp" a lot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9tEhwnr2qs

shame they didn't end up including it on the grind date. i thought it continued the feel good vibe of bionix perfectly.

"They should have just continued doing goofy, silly songs like “My Brother’s a Bashead” and “Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa”"

The thing is, buhloone is musically much more of a cynical or at least deflated record than the earlier two, even DLSID. Doesnt take a PhD in hip hop to see that.

More than that though, I think its the album they really sounded like mature adults.

what d'you know about music, hamster penis?

I've forgotten more than you'll ever know buttcrust

you're starting to sound just like mc shan.

how does BM sound "cynical"?

for real, that's legitimately ridiculous. it's not.

nothing de la ever did could be considered truly "cynical." not after de la soul is dead.

I feel like cynical is a word people use about music when they want to criticize something but don't really have anything concrete

hella cynical of you to say that

Cynicism is curdled sentimentality: a bitterness that the world didn't turn out the way you expected.

Buhloone Mindstate is cynical?

My name is Cynical, I be 4'11"

I like some of De La's stuff but their voices have always been the biggest stumbling block for me

Sometimes ppl say something is “cynical,” when what they mean is that they have a cynical view of the motives behind it. This can be confusing

wtf wrong with their voices lol

"shit imagine if there wasn't no us huh"

classic

also

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Buhloone Mindstate is not cynical - if they sound angry or downbeat in places it's because they care, not because they don't

yeah this voices thing is weird, I have no idea what that is about

also I really perplexed by this one

Halfway there but for you at 11:15 15 Feb 21

Someone once said that De La Soul were the first rappers whose beats were more important than their words and voices. Is this a controversial take

most people's first exposure to them was Me, Myself or if you were more into hip hop "Potholes in My Lawn", in both cases their lyrical style, lyrics, the whole boho vibe was super important

yeah like i said upthread Candyman just needed to stop with the lame takes in this thread

candyman's takes in this revive make me feel like we are listening to two different things.

"i always forget how good Held Down is"

YES

Pos and Dave both have unmistakable voices, and the low-key-ness is part of the appeal, not a lack

it's a bummer, De La being essentially missing from streaming has really affected their historical profile

^^ yup

big time

Chris Rock jokes that he still buys CD's because if someone "takes down the cloud, I'll still have Luther!"

I guess that's me with De La Soul, except they never were on "the cloud."

lol i said this awhile back and whiney flipped out at me

anyway de la soul are incredible, cant think of a candyman contribution to a thread ive appreciated yet...

I've read some of your reviews and could say the same.

Also arent you the guy who said hip hop is jazz? Lol.

arms too short to box with god ^^^

^^^lyrical references too hackneyed to really zing

you guys can pile on me, i dont mind, glad to help with the community bonding on this site, and i'll admit sure my buhloone reading is a bit off (was going on memory really, and a song like i am i be) but i stand by the notion that they have boring voices. i get that saying such a revered group has 'boring' voices might irk when worded in that way (low key might have been fairer) but compared to rap voices like say (and im only using others from the same era to be fair), q tip, kool keith, wu-tang, snoop, souls of mischief, del, de la are hardly the most interesting vocal characters. id say the same about gza, mos def and plenty other rappers who still make good songs and good albums.

well, "boring" is a pejorative and "low key" isn't. they mean two different things.

as far as the "pile on". i think i tried to engage with you earnestly on the "limitations of hip hop" thread until it was clear you didn't actually want a discussion about it. frankly, everyone here has been on the internet a long ass time and the way you post in a sort of professorial, condescending tone about black artists (here, limitations of hip hop, the prince thread) and how they lack in your eyes, puts up a lot of people's antennas here as signals of being ways of saying racially problematic things in code, let's say. you also don't really regard anyone else's opinion on hip hop or anything else, that's pretty clear.

also it is a community, so if you don't have a long history of posting and people understanding where you're coming from, you're not going to get as much benefit of the doubt.

imagine thinking GZA and Mos Def have boring voices. Not even sure what "boring" means to you at this point.

in fairness, maybe candyman thinks their voices can drill holes through things

Maybe a non-boring voice is supposed to sound like Bobcat Goldthwaite's.

imagining now the emo philips of rap

so... Danny Brown?

CHECK

just sort of making a general point here, not responding to candyman directly, but posdnous has an incredible rap voice, flat out. immediately distinctive, conveys his personality that frames his poetic style w a kind of casual profundity that's impossible to replicate

am i a fan of pos' rap style bc i know when i hear his voice the music is going to be good, or was the music good because of his rap style? a contradiction at the heart of great art ofc

Also arent you the guy who said hip hop is jazz? Lol.

― candyman, Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:10 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

d-40 still otm here

pops used to say it reminded him of bebop

don't you know that things go in cycles?

posdnous has an incredible rap voice, flat out. immediately distinctive, conveys his personality that frames his poetic style w a kind of casual profundity that's impossible to replicate

otm, close thread

xp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsgkIE-RHg