Kate/Kae Tempest

Isn't that a wee bit presumptuous to claim your own personal pronoun? Additionally (s)he wants to be called in the plural, grammatically that is rubbish. What bewilders me there is that the Guardian immediately accepts and promotes this instrumentalisation of the language for a personal cause by reprinting it. Is there no public discussion about this kind of language intervention?

Uhhh, they/them is extremely common, is this being posted through a time portal?

great revive

Things you were shockingly old when you learned.

Ahahahaha

wait, what year is it?

Is there no public discussion about this kind of language intervention?

Here y' go knock yourself out;

https://www.mumsnet.com/

This usage of "they" in the singular was added to the Merriam-Webster a little more than a year ago. So yes, apparently I wasn't quite up to date. Thanks for the clarification.

The OED traces the singular ‘they’ back to 1375, good piece about it here from 2018:

https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/

I wonder if that usage had something to do with the German "Sie" which is used to address someone politely e.g. when you are not too familiar with the person. "sie" = they.

I use the singular "they" to refer to someone online if I'm unaware of their gender.

Should we get an admin to change the thread name? Could call it Kate/Kae Tempest since the thread starts in the Kate years.

What surprises me is how symbolic being accepted as "they" has become - as if it was the ultimate victory in recognizing that people have freedom - fluidity in their identity. I personally still don't get why it makes any difference whether you place this freedom within the conventional binary or outside, and why we pretend as if we had really just come up with the concept 5 years ago. So sure, go ahead and wear it as a badge of honor if you want, as long as you do not suppose that the rest of the world is a rigid monolith of conservatism.

Hi there. This is a sincere suggestion, but if you have... questions, concerns, comments, genuine requests for discussion or a desire for explanation / learning moments (rather than you are ~having a bunch of feelings about trans and nonbinary people~ and their pesky pronouns, name changes etc. - not to mention projecting into their "supposed" beliefs?) there's a whole thread for that right here:

Trans Politics, Trans Activism, also 'rolling is this transphobic?' thread

Perhaps use that space to work through your feelings and come to a better understanding, rather than spaffing up threads for trans and nonbinary artists, with stuff that sounds and feels uncomfortably like dogwhistle transphobia to a lot of the people here?

otm

Should we get an admin to change the thread name? Could call it Kate/Kae Tempest since the thread starts in the Kate years.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra)

Yes. As always, I think it'll stay as the original for bookmarks, but will change for everything else. I'll change it to your suggestion for search purposes, but if anyone has any strong feelings about getting rid of the old name entirely then let us know.

I'm assuming (alex in mainhattan) is not from the US (or UK) and therefore the advances in this culturally over the past several years may have passed him by. I'm not sure how other countries are addressing this evolution.

German, I think?

The visibility of the issue is definitely maximal in the anglosphere and, I suppose, areas that have always been on the LGBTQ forefront like Scandinavia (see "hen"). Language creativity and flexibility aside, there's bound to be slower and different uptake given levels of conservatism / liberality in politics and culture. For example, there's still heavy resistance to the use of inclusive language in gendered French, so there's a long way to go to accept pronouns such as iel in, say, the work sphere. Not that acceptability of the pronoun is a measure for the rest.

To Branwell: I won't dignify "dogwhistle transphobia" but sorry if my comment seemed insensitive and thank you for your offer.

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