i could definitely rewatch cronencrash
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 February 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
i still haven't seen the cronenberg crash, i assume i would love it tho
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 February 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
from here on out i am referring to the bad crash as "paul greencrash"
i first saw cronencrash in college amongst an audience of holly hunter obsessed would-be-degenerates who, based on the marketing, somehow thought it would be porn adjacent. we all walked away very confused.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 February 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
"paul greencrash"
I love that
Oddly enough what upset me the most was the incomprehensibility of the plotting, I was already angry about the Ledo-methlab weirdness, the "the secret to solving this case is in finding that random sex worker" weirdness... then, it was a "oh surely these random illegitimate children are the culprits and they have the hard drive" moment made me punch the couch angrily in a way I haven't since James Hurley spent three episodes in a soap opera
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 12 February 2021 15:56 (three years ago) link
My defining Cronenmoment was being invited by my roommates at age 18 to go see a screening of "Dead Ringers", I had randomly seen "M Butterfly" but that's all I knew about this director, and that Genevieve Bujold was Janeway Mk. 1
We all walked out of the movie in a state of bewildered shock and despite being general non-drinkers we all agreed we needed beers right away and did so
A week later I was looking at TV Guide and I saw that "Dead Ringers" was scheduled. The entry read like "Dead Ringers (Cronenburg, 1990), horror" and I shouted to my roommate "hey Ian I figured out that movie, it was a horror film" and Ian yelled back "ohhhhhhhhhhh now I get it"
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 12 February 2021 16:00 (three years ago) link
*just googled it, 1988 not 1990
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 12 February 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link
james hurley and everyone else spent a lot longer than that in a soap opera tbf
forgot about the random illegitimate children lol. i mean i forgot all the plot, just faces and rooms and rick springfield’s tie/shirt-buttons situation
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 12 February 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
"alien gynecological tools" is the phrase i'll always associate with dead ringers
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 February 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link
Sorry if I got it twisted, I thought we were talking about non-Cronenberg Crash
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 12 February 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
I have not seen Cronenberg Crash
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 12 February 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
the mystery does not matter and in fact it's good that it ends in anticlimax
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 February 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link
like, the mystery doesn't matter in twin peaks either btw
this “something else”— the wrong interpretation of the clues— is what we call the world
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 12 February 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link
for me literally all of the enjoyment is in the atmosphere, the photography, and the performances. the incomprehensibility of the plotting actually makes the show vibrate with extra surreal energy, even though it evaporates from the mind with every progression... again, feature, not flaw
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 February 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
oh wait i also love all of the nonsense in the dialogue, as i stated above
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 February 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
I kinda feel like true detective s2 walked so Too Old to Die Young could fuck
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Friday, 12 February 2021 17:02 (three years ago) link
"you have one of the largest auras i've ever seen. it's taking up this whole room"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 February 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link
This is why Brad is one of the best posters; his enthusiasm is very contagious even when I fucking hate him for using it for evil.
― Rocky Thee Stallion (PBKR), Friday, 12 February 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link
my pronouns are they/them btw (no need to apologize)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 February 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
and i am not using my powers for evil, everyone here is capable of not watching the thing they think is bad, and i walk a lonely road
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 February 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link
I watched it because you thought it was good! and to your credit I'm glad I did if only because I think it finally cured me of my Colin Farrell allergy and I might be able to finish The New World at last
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 12 February 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
then it served its purpose
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 February 2021 20:21 (three years ago) link
ok seen first two episodes, and i'm sort of enjoying it. the morass of psychosexual collapse as a foundation for everything that's going on is quite palpable, which is good. the sense of people being on the edge works. aerial shots of freeways and intersections are unfortunately not enough to connect place to that morass, which is a shame. vince vaughan is a totally empty vessel, a complete void of acting and presence, but that in itself is sort of ok for who he is. there's an internal and meta sense of 'what the fuck are we participating in'. skating badly around in a messy, degraded chandler landscape of cheap casinos.
could it be very much better - yes by god, but yes actually quite enjoying it. i wonder if it was partly fucked over by being a follow up to true detective. it's a different sort of animal.
― Lord of the RONGS (Fizzles), Saturday, 13 February 2021 17:16 (three years ago) link
and they have a *lot* of fun with interior decoration. the bel air mayor's pad is great.
― Lord of the RONGS (Fizzles), Saturday, 13 February 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link
This revive is reminding me that I really wish Too Old To Die Young was available on DVD, because I want to see it and will never get Amazon Prime
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 13 February 2021 17:43 (three years ago) link
Thats the stuff fizzles take it as it is and theres a hollow dread to it, and tbh vaughn delivers as it goes on
― scampsite (darraghmac), Saturday, 13 February 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link
Interested what you think the farther you get into it. My first post in this thread, after a couple of episodes, was positive too. By the end, I was exhausted.
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 February 2021 02:31 (three years ago) link
The acting was really good imo. Some of those monologues were super-clunky but they (esp Semyon and his girlfriend) sold it well
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 14 February 2021 02:53 (three years ago) link
The monologues were almost showily awful, like it cannot have been purely incompetence imo
― scampsite (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 February 2021 03:51 (three years ago) link
aerial shots of freeways and intersections are unfortunately not enough to connect place to that morass, which is a shame
I felt the opposite, in its attempt at being a Great California Novel. It felt like so many strands of California fit into the story, from agriculture to casinos to cults to the landscapes. I wish the Guerneville/Bohemian Grove sections either had a greater sense of place/location or were moved to somewhere plausible in SoCal.
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 14 February 2021 05:01 (three years ago) link
Also, maybe it was shared way up above, but the NY Times did a good story on Vernon, CA.
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 14 February 2021 05:02 (three years ago) link
interesting. there was a bit where they were going to interview someone out by some crop irrigation, and i did think that it was good the way they were weaving in hard industry (toxic waste), casino and prostitution and driver services, crime and cults. so, yes, in fact i think you're right. i guess i felt that it didn't quite map on to a topography for me, which might have made it more powerful. oddly you get very little sense of them driving along via those intersections. unlike the first TD, there's perhaps not so much external sense of them driving.
― Lord of the RONGS (Fizzles), Sunday, 14 February 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link
Yeah, the first episode, ending with that amazing shot of the crime scene pulling away off the coast at sunrise, sets up the show for having a greater sense of how areas connect, rather than cutting from one to the next with the same freeway shots.
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 15 February 2021 06:57 (three years ago) link
well too old to die young sure is something, like taking all the boring parts of td2 and patiently stretching them into taffy. thx brad and thread
― adam, Monday, 15 February 2021 15:08 (three years ago) link
seems like as good a place as any for this Set the Night on Fire: LA in the Sixties
Los Angeles in the sixties was a hotbed of political and social upheaval. The city was a launchpad for Black Power—where Malcolm X and Angela Davis first came to prominence and the Watts uprising shook the nation. The city was home to the Chicano Blowouts and Chicano Moratorium, as well as being the birthplace of “Asian American” as a political identity. It was a locus of the antiwar movement, gay liberation movement, and women’s movement, and, of course, the capital of California counterculture.Mike Davis and Jon Wiener provide the first comprehensive movement history of L.A. in the sixties, drawing on extensive archival research and dozens of interviews with principal figures, as well as the authors’ storied personal histories as activists. Following on from Davis’s awardwinning L.A. history, City of Quartz, Set the Night on Fire is a historical tour de force, delivered in scintillating and fiercely beautiful prose.
― Lord of the RONGS (Fizzles), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
“The familiar, monochromatic picture of Los Angeles in the sixties—all Hollywood pop and Didion ennui—required a million people of African, Asian, and Mexican ancestry to be ‘edited out of utopia,’ as Mike Davis and Jon Wiener put it. What those people actually did, alongside antiwar feminists, high school students, and others, is the heart of this book, and it’s a big heart. No one could tell these intersecting stories better than Davis and Wiener, and their book gives us back a great city’s greatness in its movements, edges, and other centers, so many of them forgotten.”
I don't know, maybe those people could have told their own stories better than Davis and Wiener. We'll never know, though, will we?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link
i hope they’ve got a good bibliography of primary sources. but i liked mike davis’ city of quartz v much (still need to finish it ofc) and may give this a go. my god my reading backlog though :/
― Lord of the RONGS (Fizzles), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
“This angst cop drama you’ve got goin’ on”
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 26 March 2021 10:56 (three years ago) link
Did everyone watching this report back, im v curious as to how the endings stick
― Marry and Neghim (darraghmac), Friday, 26 March 2021 11:02 (three years ago) link
with your angst cop drama and your cocaine tongueyou get nothing done
― righteous oxide (PBKR), Friday, 26 March 2021 12:04 (three years ago) link
I feel like this season is conscious of how ridiculous it often is (and I like that)
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 27 March 2021 14:19 (three years ago) link
i have paused on this, but will be returning.
― Fizzles, Friday, 2 April 2021 11:13 (three years ago) link
Re-watching this now for the first time since it was new and liking it a lot.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 17:22 (two years ago) link
Every time you watch this show Anthony Kiedis reproduces a clone (asexually, but you never know).
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link
liked it the second time around much much better maybe they shouldn’t have called it True Detective idk
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link
Seriously; just calling it Nick Lottapizza's California Noir would have been just fine.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
happy to have been on the right side of history for this one
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 January 2024 16:26 (two months ago) link