EvermoreFolkloreSpeak Now1989ReputationRedLoverFearlesss/t
but the s/t is still 8/10 & I could exchange the order of everything after Folklore except the s/t
― All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link
it's still red for me... her most exciting album, the one where it feels like anything might be possible
the one i would stump for as underrated is reputation ... the singles were so bad and it's where her public persona started to curdle a bit but the songwriting is really strong throughout, even if the production choices felt dated even at the time. i think it's the album where i most enjoy her engagement w/ her own celebrity. w/ distance i've come to feel like it's her best post-red and/or pure pop album.
1989... i never loved this album, particularly a few of the singles and the final three songs, but the rest of the album is pretty incredible, half a dozen knockouts on that record to me. it's a pretty tight album too which after this would become a rarity for her
i think the one that moves me the least is lover... there's def some really good songs on that, prob like 3-4 i'd put onto a "best of" mix, but i listened to it recently and it just left me pretty cold. emotionally i couldn't connect w/ it & tho there are a few of her best pop songs on there it just feels like she's spinning her wheels creatively for me
fearless sounded about as good as ever to me when i re-listened recently... there's a lightness of touch, a certain sparkle, w/ that album that i don't think exists anywhere else in her discography.
speak now is the one that i never really think about but whenever i listen to it i'm like, damn there's a lot of amazing songs on this record. i think it's just that red is very similar to it in scope but more adventurous so speak now gets overshadowed to some degree
honestly have not listened to evermore more than a few times, it was just too much taylor and the national for me by the end of last year. i'll go back eventually but i'm leaving it off my list
redfearlessspeak nowreputation 1989folklores/tlover
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:58 (three years ago) link
reputation def the best pop taylor album and surprisingly enough the production aged really well imo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
Yeah it's still really fun to listen to.
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
Speak Now and Red are excellent albums, but Fearless is the album o' my heart and still makes me sob tbh.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
I love 1989, too
it's between fearless and folklore but yeah, there's a magic sparkle to fearless that puts it on top
― abcfsk, Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:23 (three years ago) link
In general every time I try to do this I find I overrate whatever the more recent Swift albums are, which is weird because it's the opposite of what I do with every other artist.
― Indexed, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link
Speak Now > Fearless > Folklore > Red > Evermore > 1989 > Reputation > Taylor Swift > Lover
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
I'd have to think about this a little more, but it feels like Lover is being underestimated here. It's definitely better than Reputation.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
Reputation has higher highs and lower lows than Lover. I at least give it credit for going for something. Lover is just boring IMO.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
Don't get me wrong, Lover wouldn't likely make my top 4, but it's a much better record than the singles would indicate.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:47 (three years ago) link
Lover is my favorite; I love the juxtaposition of the fun pop sound with the self-awareness and anxiety in the lyrics. And it has "The Archer" which is probably my favorite Taylor Swift song.
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
When "Cruel Summer" is on, it sounds like the best song ever written, particularly the middle eight.
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
I would also argue that we wouldn't get Folklore/Evermore without some of the tentative steps on Lover.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
Mine:
Speak NowRedfolklore1989evermoreFearlessLoverTaylor SwiftReputation
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link
It's obv now that Lover represented the End of a Method or approach begun with Red.
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 11, 2021 2:50 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
ot fucking m
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:55 (three years ago) link
I think Lover is really poorly served by having "I Forgot That You Existed" as the first track; if you skip that one and start with "Cruel Summer," it instantly becomes a much better album imo. I always do that, to the point where I think of Cruel Summer as the first track. (I guess you could say that I forgot that I Forgot That You Existed existed.)
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
RedfolkloreFearlessevermoreLover (with the edited tracklist)Speak Now1989ReputationTaylor Swift
I regret this already.
― Nourry, Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
Mine was Speak Now for years, but I think Red has edged it. Red has a couple of songs I actively dislike, which is not true of Speak Now, but I like the range and musical variety. So at the moment, I think I'd go:
RedSpeak NowFearlessfolklore1989Lovers/tevermoreReputation
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
RedFearlessfolkloreSpeak NowLover1989S/Treputation
I can't place evermore yet. It's exhausting and several songs actively chafe but it contains moments of full artistic flower even beyond folklore ("happiness", "cowboy like me") and closes with her best run ever ("ivy" through "evermore")
― bunny slopes, Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:03 (three years ago) link
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 11, 2021 2:52 PM (two hours ago)
i think it also makes it clear that the aesthetic pivot that followed was necessary ... there's a nice frothy sorta pop album somewhere in lover (from "cruel summer" to "false god", with "london boy" being lit on fire) but the joel little songs on there are for me the very bottom rung of her entire discography. she went in the studio w/ louis bell & adam feeney -- the biggest pop producers of that moment -- and came out w/ one of her worst ever singles + 2 songs ("afterglow" and "it's nice to have a friend") that are... nice albums tracks, at best. even the dixie chicks collab was kind of fumbled. creatively she was wheezing a bit to me by this point... the idea of her going pop had lost its novelty, her interactions w/ contemporary pop of the time were awkward (the katy perry reveal video, christ), and just generally that kind of production is not the best delivery vehicle for her songwriting to begin with
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:08 (three years ago) link
"afterglow" is one of the best t. swift songs ever
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link
so good in fact i thought it was an antonoff joint until this very moment, can't believe it's part of the "i forgot you existed"/"it's nice to have a friend" camp
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link
it's her big amy grant ballad, a description that maybe accounts for why i love it and others are unmoved
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
I think "Afterglow" is an important part of the overarching narrative of Lover (the narrative being, essentially, "I always thought my relationship issues were someone else's fault, and didn't realize how many hurtful and controlling behaviors I had until I ended up in a good relationship that I care about and want to preserve, and now I'm slowly learning how to admit when I was wrong.") It matches up nicely with "The Archer" and "Cornelia Street."
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:21 (three years ago) link
i'm interested to see if Red wins this just barely, or if it's a blowout
― alpine static, Friday, 12 February 2021 00:37 (three years ago) link
Red was my favorite, until Evermore showed up.
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Friday, 12 February 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link
I'm interested to see if anyone will vote for Reputation or Taylor Swift.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Friday, 12 February 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link
1989fearless
speak nowredreputation
loverfolklore/evermore
― johnny crunch, Friday, 12 February 2021 00:52 (three years ago) link
folklore is my favourite, but red edited to my liking would beat it
ranking taylor albums is hard because a lot of her albums have at least a few real duds or sequencing issues that make them not very listenable front-to-back, like i love red and 1989 but only with some significant tweaks to their tracklists, and lover is a very weak album as-is but it manages to be worthwhile if you cut out nearly half the tracks.
as-is:folkloreevermorefearless1989reds/tloverspeak nowreputation
edited tracklists:redfolklore1989evermoreloverfearlesss/tspeak nowreputation
― ufo, Friday, 12 February 2021 00:59 (three years ago) link
this is impossible
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Friday, 12 February 2021 03:01 (three years ago) link
Instead of a poll where you only get to choose one, can we do a proper Artist albums and tracks poll, or are those frowned upon while the artist is still in their prime? If so, I look forward to the 2045 ILM Taylor Swift poll.
― Indexed, Friday, 12 February 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
I feel like the amount of material she's released since the start of her career has fairly warranted an albums/tracks poll! I'm here for it
― winters (josh), Friday, 12 February 2021 17:33 (three years ago) link
Haven't heard any of these but this feels like a good opportunity to try. Starting with Speak Now as that's the one I found at the library (was also probably the one I had the most interest in hearing at the time).
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Saturday, 13 February 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
That was fast. Speak Now by far the best of the ones I listened to, very fond of "Never Grow Up" and "Mine."
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:43 (two years ago) link
folklore
― Bee OK, Thursday, 8 April 2021 06:13 (two years ago) link
Instead of a poll where you only get to choose one, can we do a proper Artist albums and tracks poll, or are those frowned upon while the artist is still in their prime?
not at all. for instance i have done a Spoon poll a few years back and they are going to be releasing a new album this year. it will be the second since that poll closed.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 8 April 2021 06:18 (two years ago) link
I voted Fearless, but haven't really listened to her pop albums after 1989 due to her increasingly abhorrent lead singles. Even though I've grown to love Shake It Off and Bad Blood, I don't think I'll ever feel the same way about LWYMMD or Me! I did listen to folklore a few times - liked it at first but every subsequent listening got more bored. Never listened to the follow-up. I'd rectify my negligence if there was a ballot poll on the horizon.
As it stands, I'd probably rank them:
Fearless1989Speak NowRedTaylor Swift
Speak Now and Red are definitely fighting it out for 3rd because Red definitely has higher highs than Speak Now, but it's incredibly front loaded and I hate the dudes in the duets.
― peace, man, Thursday, 8 April 2021 10:59 (two years ago) link
this is impossible― josh az (2011nostalgia), Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:01 PM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:01 PM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah...I almost voted for Red and then revisited the second half. Everything through "Stay" is top-notch, but I think I'm going with Fearless. Evermore might be the best yet, but I used to think that about Lover, so I'm going to give it another couple years to brew.
― Indexed, Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:34 (two years ago) link
Today, I would rank them:EvermoreReputationRedFearlessLover 1989FolkloredebutSpeak Now(that’s pure personal preference)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:55 (two years ago) link
Red has a few amazing tracks in the final section ("Holy Ground" FFS, but also "Starlight" and "Begin Again", and I rep for "Sad Beautiful Tragic" as a nice game of dress-ups) and is long enough that you can skip the weaker tracks (which in truth are worse on paper than in reality - Gary Lightbody and Ed Sheeran are more useless than they are actively harmful) and still have a substantial album.
― Tim F, Thursday, 8 April 2021 22:45 (two years ago) link
Fearless or Lover
― edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Thursday, 8 April 2021 23:00 (two years ago) link
xp I like the duets! I like all her duets. (I do sometimes skip "Sad Beautiful Tragic.")
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link
red has no skips! gary lightbody does his best to suck all life out of "the last time", and the deluge of "this is the last time"s towards the end start to sound like a cruel tease, but taylor just about keeps things on track. love the way she sings 'you wear your best apologies - but i was there to watch you leave'.
also "i almost do" > "we are never" > "stay stay stay" > "the last time" is really good sequencing
― uberweiss, Thursday, 8 April 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link
evermoreredfolklorespeak now1989reputationloverfearlesstaylor swift
the middle 3 especially could all swap around on any given day
― uberweiss, Thursday, 8 April 2021 23:28 (two years ago) link
clearly I'm missing something about Evermore, which came across as Folklore-lite to me last time I tried
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Thursday, 8 April 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 9 April 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
lol i thought I never even knew him by his name hinted that i actually did know who he is :)
― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 00:50 (two years ago) link
Daughters of the Confederacy, Sons of Famous Racists
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 00:51 (two years ago) link
More solo Writer credits on here than co-writes, fwiw
― Gimme little drink / From your Dunkin cup (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 00:58 (two years ago) link
I think the Coe argument is that if she doesn't need other writers, then ... why does she need other writers? But that's still pretty dumb, because of course countless singers and songwriters have had collaborators over the years. Big deal? If anything, her solo writing credits and such prove Swift is *not* just some pop star puppet, so ... yeah, I don't know what Coe is getting at. He might be right that some fans overlook proven hitmaker Max Martin's conspicuous presence, but Coe's at the same time stubbornly overlooking the fact that (whether he or I or anyone likes it or not) she's tellingly the only constant in this increasingly expansive and singular body of popular work, so, like, suck it, Coe.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 01:09 (two years ago) link
just reads like he's being deliberately provocative and then digging a hole trying to find a position he can actually defend. he does not have any sort of meaningful point and is likely just trying to promote his other podcast ("your favourite band sucks") which has an episode on swift coming soon.
"Damon's right and I don't give a fuck." watered down to "Damon was obvs incorrect to flatout state she's not a songwriter. She's just not the songwriter her fans pretend she is." to claiming his point was only that "we should acknowledge the importance of Taylor Swift's co-writers"
― ufo, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 01:19 (two years ago) link
"your favourite band sucks" is soooooo stupid.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 01:23 (two years ago) link
i can only assume it's totally insufferable
― ufo, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 01:25 (two years ago) link
I tried listening to one episode of C&R and he was yammering on about the Miss America pageant, and his voice made me want to saw my own ears off. (Yes, I am aware that my own voice is horrifying to listen to. That's why I let guests do 90% of the talking on my podcast.) I never even got to when he reached the actual subject of the episode and can't remember what the subject was now. And the title of his other show alone makes me perfectly comfortable in saying fuck that guy and everything he's involved with.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 01:57 (two years ago) link
oh wow I heard of that podcast but I didn't know it was DAC's kid....does he ever acknowledge or talk about the Rated XXX cuz that is some of the most vile racist shit
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 02:51 (two years ago) link
I think he's defended it as satire. Here's something I found from 2016:
https://m.facebook.com/tylermahancoe/posts/487555224762620
Good TMC profile here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2021/04/15/tyler-coe-country-podcast-season-two/
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 03:19 (two years ago) link
ugh that Facebook response is so fucking annoying
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 03:27 (two years ago) link
I feel like he suppresses some of that attitude on Cocaine & Rhinestones, he's better in storytelling mode.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 04:05 (two years ago) link
He never fails to mention what a liar he thinks Tammy Wynette is though.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:07 (two years ago) link
unperson OTM, absolutely unlistenable show
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:40 (two years ago) link
I really, truly enjoyed the first season of C&R, but when the long-awaited second season finally dropped, I couldn't get into it. Just haven't been in a country mood lately and I think you kinda have to at least be open to it before you're hammered with the immense amount of information that he drops into an episode. Say what you want about the dude and his voice or attitude, but he does a ton of research for the show.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 15:53 (two years ago) link
having seen a bunch of shit head racist at a party laughing and dancing to Rated XXX with a loaded hand gun on the coffee table, i can safely say that no one who listens to it sees it as satire
― Heez, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 16:11 (two years ago) link
Coe is right that Neil Strauss absolutely found a mislabeled Johnny Rebel song on Napster and then got it published in the New York Times
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 16:14 (two years ago) link
Hey there's room to find both Coe and Strauss obnoxious as fuck.
And, yep, can absolutely confirm growing up in the middle of Illinois cornfields that absolutely none of the lunkheads playing DAC in their pickups were appreciating the biting satire of those X-rated albums.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 16:49 (two years ago) link
Is it also true that none of the material is "homophobic," as Strauss and the Times allege?
― Gimme little drink / From your Dunkin cup (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 16:56 (two years ago) link
lol I would not say that the lyrics to "Fuck Anita Bryant" are not homophobic
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 17:10 (two years ago) link
I remember liking the C&R ep on the Dixie Chicks and the broader history of females being censured in country and am surprised to see his regressive hot takes on Swift's songwriting.
― Indexed, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 18:26 (two years ago) link
I suppose the triangulated position is that Taylor's own insistence on being respected as a songwriter who writes her own material (a decent chunk of it by herself), and in particular her own lyrics, inadvertently feeds into a kind of rockist-about-pop mindset which has been very prominent in general for the past five years or so.
My suspicion is that Coe (in a very ham-fisted manner) was suggesting that Taylor is setting up a false dichotomy as between herself and other pop artists whose reliance on professional songwriters is more acknowledged - this might be particularly salient in the context of modern country, where reliance on professional songwriters is much less likely (as far as I can tell) to count as a strike against an artist.
(I don't think she was actually doing that, of course - or certainly not intentionally)
It's interesting to compare the fan/critic treatment of Taylor in this regard with someone like Miranda Lambert, who writes amazing material, sometimes by herself and sometimes in collaboration, and also performs material written by others, and the dividing line between those various categories is basically non-existent from a reception POV (like, it would seem odd to me to distinguish between "We Should Be Friends", which is a solo Lambert credit, and "Pink Sunglasses", on which she doesn't have a writing credit). The idea that Taylor is personally responsible for at least the words of her songs seems like a big part of the swift-enjoyment-machine, whereas with Miranda it seems less directly relevant.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 23:55 (two years ago) link
It seems relevant to this discussion that Swift was signed to a songwriting contract at 13, years before she was signed as a performer. She was literally a professional songwriter first.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 27 January 2022 00:30 (two years ago) link
I *think* something Coe was ultimately getting at (from the complete wrong angle) is that Swift didn't need someone like Max Martin to come up with songs, she needed him to become a pop superstar.
And the main thing I added that I don't think Damon was saying at all is that it's really annoying to me how fans of an artist need to make a bigger deal out of an artist being in the room with Martin than why Martin is there.— Tyler Mahan Coe (@TylerMahanCoe) January 25, 2022
But he (and Albarn) picked the wrong fight, because *clearly* Swift can write, and *clearly* she can sell millions of copies of songs she wrote. But if his argument is "yeah, but she needed Max Martin to get on pop radio and sell even more," ... join the club, you know? Who gives a shit? Even Coe seems to understand he fucked up and commenced moving the goal posts. Like, just about every singer/songwriter from Dylan and the Beatles on up has producers and musicians to make what they wrote sound better.
Btw, I found a nice clip of her in the studio with Martin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJ_hHT5vw8
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 January 2022 01:25 (two years ago) link
She had two number 1 albums before Max Martin and one of them sold better than the albums that had Max Martin, though. I don't know that there's any amount of divining his point that doesn't resolve to "he's as much of a dumbass as Albarn."
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 27 January 2022 02:11 (two years ago) link
But there's no counterexample to "Pink Sunglasses" in Swift's catalog (as she writes or co-writes everything)... i.e., she literally is partially responsible for at least the words of her songs, so is it "rockist" for that to be a factor in fan reception of her work?
― Animals must have a name (morrisp), Thursday, 27 January 2022 02:42 (two years ago) link
Not that this should matter, but ... David Allan Coe only had two top 10 country hits. He didn't write or co-write either of them. Taylor Swift has had 25 country top 10s, and wrote or co-wrote all of them.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 27 January 2022 02:56 (two years ago) link
xpost No I don't think it is, though of course it depends on how the issue is framed. Is Taylor a better artist than Miranda (or whoever) because she at least co-writes everything she sings? No. Should the fact that Taylor writes or at least co-writes all her own material (and is probably 95% responsible for the lyrics) be a precondition to her being taken seriously as an artist? No. I don't think Taylor argues either of those things, though whether her fans do or don't will of course be a case by case question, and at least some of the fan responses to the Albarn quote kinda imply those viewpoints.
Of course I've separately made the case before for the importance of Taylor's lyrics (and her lyrical approach and her growth as a lyricist) to her music both assessed on a song by song basis and as a body of work.
― Tim F, Thursday, 27 January 2022 03:06 (two years ago) link
I hear you (though I also wonder how Albarn would have replied if the interviewer had said: "She may not be to your taste, but Miranda Lambert is an excellent songwriter.")
― Animals must have a name (morrisp), Thursday, 27 January 2022 03:21 (two years ago) link
"I don't know her."
― Tim F, Thursday, 27 January 2022 04:19 (two years ago) link
xxxpostin fairness, David Allen Coe was a writer for other artists, including "Would You Lay With Me a Field of Stone" for Tanya Tucker which is a gorgeous song and Take This Job and Shove It for Johnny Paycheck
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 January 2022 04:26 (two years ago) link
I think Johnny Cash did a few of his songs
I was talking to my daughter this morning, wondering how Taylor Swift is going to handle her next tour. Her last tour was back in 2018, a big stadium outing. But since then she's released three entirely new albums, and two newly re-recorded versions of her old stuff, which means some 50 or so songs she's never performed, plus new versions of old songs like that 10 minute song, plus I assume at least another new album/re-recorded album by the time she hits stadiums again, assuming summer 2023 at the earliest, at least in America. Multi-night stands with different setlists?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 17:39 (one year ago) link
thought this bump would be about the crawdads song coming out tomorrow
mandy moore had the problem of touring for two records at once and her solution was to play songs from both records, i'm sure taylor will figure it out
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 June 2022 17:55 (one year ago) link
Medleys...lots and lots of Medleys
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 June 2022 18:06 (one year ago) link
Don't know if Mandy Moore is a good comparison.
I guess the Weeknd is essentially touring behind two hit albums for the first time this summer, his first tour since 2016. Let's see how he handles it, though I have no idea if has the deep cut stans that Swift does.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:10 (one year ago) link
I was thinking about this recently, too. I've never seen her live and certainly wouldn't mind more of a theater tour.
― Indexed, Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:12 (one year ago) link
But she can't, can she? I mean, Olivia Rodrigo just did a (large) theatre tour, and Lil Nas X is doing that, too, iirc, but of course even though iirc neither has/had toured before they could have just started at arenas if they wanted to. But someone as popular as Swift, if she played small(er) places I think there would be a huge backlash, unless she did, like, 20 nights in every city.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:15 (one year ago) link
I tried listening to the new song, but I think I wasn’t in the right headspace for that vibe.
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Friday, 24 June 2022 04:53 (one year ago) link
Getting a vaguely mid-90s Tori Amos vibe (specifically stuff like "Bells For Her" or "Sister Named Desire") off "Carolina", though I would be very surprised if that was what Taylor shooting for. Something about the way her voice slides between notes and the lyrics forsake narrative coherence for quasi-coherent allusion - it feels like it wanders down the pathway that "Seven" gestured towards.
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 June 2022 20:59 (one year ago) link
It makes me think most of "Safe and Sound" tbh, but that may just be the Southern Goth Lite vibe.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 1 July 2022 00:19 (one year ago) link