Phish C/D

divided sky and split open and melt were the best for me so far

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 11, 2021 9:32 AM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

great songs!!!

i shared this video upthread, ums i think you will enjoy significantly more than what you're listening to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MzLuQXUeh0

brad i don't know phish periods!

xp [X song] is gorgeous once they get past the [insert here] part

― J. Sam, Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:53 AM (four seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

variations on this thought is has come up a lot

okay "poor heart" fuck me

"funny country" songs are literally the worst thing in music

they have no respect for genre and believe they can do everything. country stuff one example. please steer clear of their reggae songs! to their credit they are self-deprecating about it all though. but i think in aggregate it's better for musicians with questionable taste but good ideas and skills to be fearless and produce a lot of crap because you get plenty of diamonds in the rough.

comments re Purple Rain otoh really not fair to Phish. criticize them if you will for choosing that song as one to mock but it's obviously not intended to be a "musical" cover, it's comedic

― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:47 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, Purple Rain is obviously different from some of their more straightforward covers. I mean, I get that it's a joke. But in the context of being a full-on Phishhead at the time who was pretty convinced that they were the apex of modern music, then "ironically" buying the album that the joke cover was on and hearing all these amazing, weird, tight, funky songs, and capping it off with a performance of the "joke" song that was full of emotion and nuance and passion and basically fireworks going off in my head. Then looking back at the joke cover and being like "this is what you guys choose to make fun of? This amazing thing you could never do?"

i mean funny country is by no means limited to them, green day's "dominated love slave" was one that always rankled.

will check out the 00 show you posted

"ghost" jams are what converted me, they always end up in this totally psychedelic hellspace, and "ghost"'s debut as a song in the set coincides with the dawning of their cowfunk period, i swear i didn't know any of this information a year ago ums lol

but it's very superficially similar to the dead, they're both fusion bands, the dead comes from a more roots country/bluegrass tradition and phish is like all prog and zappa, prob to their detriment as songwriters. however they know how to drive a jam through outer space and back, and that's the appeal (and many of their songs have grown on me, horribly)

i will say i have little-to-no use for them as a covers band. the slowed-down talking heads "cities" is mostly interesting coming in and out of jams. "roses are free" is their best cover and that's for obvious reasons

prob to their detriment as songwriters

lol, "prob"?

;)

yeah very different than the dead for sure. they don't really have that weary, sad quality the dead does and jerry's voice does.

jerry's lead playing as well is just very singular and delicate, trey is very good but he always seems like more of a "guitar dude" vibe

i think i'll probably end up in the same spot i am with zappa, some great stuff that is outweighed by the considerable dross and my allergy to "funny" music (for the most part)

however, i will say their general amiable vibe, though dorky, is far preferable to zappa's toxic misogyny and general assholishness for sure

"Cities" could get really good. My favorite time seeing it was Deer Creek '97 with a five song second set where they started with a 23-minute "Cities" before ending up in a "rotation jam" where they all switched instruments and Page played a theremin. The "Cities" holds up on the tape, the "rotation jam" a little less so - def much better appreciated in person.

One of my best friends used to be a huge Phish guy, apparently very very active in the trading community. Even he I've heard vacillate so much on the band and its merits, it's kind of fascinating.

I think they're kind of like a cross between Zappa, minus the worst stuff, and the Dead, minus the best stuff. Which leaves them floating in this purgatory.

learning about phish last year i discovered there is no bottom to the dorkiness, just gets dorkier and dorkier all the way down. the way their fans talk about them or refer to classic songs... you'll never get out of the maze

I also, to be fair, honestly hate the sound of their instruments, the tones.

I mean, yeah, the dorkiness is legion. The trampolines, the vacuum, playing chess against the audience, etc.

when i saw them they did "dear prudence" and it was really beautiful, the keyboard player sang it. he's a lot better singer than trey! he should sing more, please forward this feedback to phish HQ for me

page is a great singer and player. him and fishman are like... obv the best members of phish to me. i love trey's guitar tone tho

ok "great" singer is extremely relative in this band

I've probably mentioned earlier on this thread about the time I saw the Trey band play. The crowd was cool, and the band was killer ... except for Trey. There would be this great sorta Afrobeat groove, with horns and a hot shit drummer and ... John Medeski? And Trey would have this big grin, just taking it all in, and then he would play and it would just take me ... out.

Oh man, I think Trey has one of my all-time favorite guitar tones.

they really spaced out on "dear prudence" at the end too, was very pretty and a cool jam

the people next to me (very nice couple who found out it was my first phish show and let me have some of their weed) were super excited because they hadn't played it in like 1000 shows or something

lol excellent experience

i am looking forward to seeing phish live post-pandemic hope it happens

what's with the glowsticks? at a certain point in the show the second deck of the arena started throwing all these glowsticks down on us

iirc it started out when a bunch of fans started throwing glow sticks during a "Harry Hood" jam in Chicago back in the early '90s, then another one broke out at their Great Went festival in '97, also during "Hood" and Trey kind of encouraged it because it looked cool from the stage and it turned into a whole thing after that. Now I think it's just a spontaneous thing and isn't really tied to a specific song, just when the crowd feels it I guess.

I know a couple who are Phish fans, they went to a Trey show, he liked it, she didn't, and it shook the foundations of their relationship.

I've actually never been to a Trey solo or TAB show. I saw a GRAB show when Trey and Mike Gordon toured with Joe Russo and Marco Benevento, it was pretty cool. Russo's a great drummer and his JRAD (Joe Russo's Almost Dead) is one of the few Dead cover bands that I think is doing interesting things.

Wait, this band is interactive? Like Barenaked Ladies, whose fans threw boxed mac and cheese on the stage? Ugh.

Some years back I was in Jackpot! records in Portland and there was this nice, earthy music playing in the store. I asked the guy who it was, and he told me it was the new Phish album. Really? I asked. Really, he said. When I got home I picked up the new Phish album and it totally did not sound like what I heard in the store. To this day I'm not sure if he was fucking with me, if I got the wrong album, or if I got the right album but the part I liked was really fleeting or something. Probably fucking with me.

Wait, this band is interactive?

be thankful you've never heard of the meatstick dance

Not even going to risk googling that

Meatstick would be one of their better late-90s songs if not for the lyrics being about burying a Meatstick.

I don't think that the "glowstick war" was fully an interactive thing a la Barenaked Ladies. It's more of a spontaneous thing with the fans. But (in addition to the Meatstick dance), the band definitely had interactive bits in the early 90s:

https://phish.net/song/secret-language-instructions/history

Phish’s success is often credited to non-unique factors like variable setlists and letting fans record live performances. Sure, those helped. But what really sets the band apart are dozens of smaller elements – including a “secret language” of musical “signals” – that generate band-audience interaction beyond what any other act has achieved. Five have been “taught” to the audience during a show, of which the first four were introduced on 3/6/92:

All Fall Down: after a sequence of four descending notes, everyone falls (or at least crouches) to the floor as the music collapses in a downward spiral, until Fishman’s high-hat resumes the song. First appearance: 3/6/92 (at the 4:23 mark).

Aw, Fuck!: (aka “Fingerscrape”) after a long scraping noise from Trey (introduced 3/13/92), scream "Awww, Fuck!" and hold up your middle finger like you chopped it off. First appearance: 3/6/92 David Bowie (1:53).

Random Note: after a ten-note sequence you’d recognize as circus music (from Julius Fučík’s Entrance of the Gladiators, the two measures immediately after the opening 12 seconds), the response is to sing "ahhhhh" at any pitch, tone, volume, etc. First appearance: 9/13/90 Possum (5:47).

Simpsons: when a 10-note sequence from the opening of the Simpsons theme song is played, scream “D’oh!” like Homer. First appearance: 9/25/91 Possum at 1:11 (the signal was also played earlier in the show during Reba but without the “D’oh!” response).

Turn, Turn, Turn: after "to everything, turn turn turn" from the Byrds’ classic is played softly, everyone turns to face the rear of the venue and cheers as if that’s where the band was. First appearance: 3/6/92 Possum (0:45).

Also, they had a thing called the Big Ball Jam back then, where they would throw giant beach balls into the audience and try to play their instruments to the rhythm of the balls as they bounced. See maybe from 9:30 on in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1rBSf3do6Y

holy shit

it's worse than I thought

I know I definitely heard Surrender to the Air, Trey's "free jazz orchestra" thing, back in the mid-90s when I was new to Phish, but I had virtually no context for jazz or non-hippie improv at the time and I'm sure I didn't pay close attention. Listening to it again now and it's... not terrible? I mean it's definitely not the most compelling set I've ever heard, but I think there are a few moments.

For the uninitiated, the lineup:

Marshall Allen: saxophone
Trey Anastasio: guitar
Kofi Burbridge: flute
Oteil Burbridge: bass guitar
Damon R. Choice: vibraphone
Jon Fishman: drums
Bob Gulloti: drums
James Harvey: trombone
John Medeski: Organ
Michael Ray: trumpet
Marc Ribot: Guitar

I haven't listened to that since it came out. I remember waiting and waiting for it, then going out one night to buy it and have a little stoner listening party with my buds and no one was into it. I doubt that any of us had much context for free jazz at the time.

Simpsons: when a 10-note sequence from the opening of the Simpsons theme song is played, scream “D’oh!” like Homer.

Thankfully most of that "secret language" stuff faded long ago. My current day, 3.0 (hopefully soon to be 4.0) Phish complaint is the incessant damn "woo"-ing. Started with mostly one song, "Twist", with the audience interjections, but some shows it's creeped over into a LOT of other songs. I am definitely team no woo.

i don't think i told anyone here yet but i'm seeing phish for the very first time in atlantic city in august, i am SO excited

i also bought this show immediately after seeing the year and the setlist, gonna get stoned and listen to it in a bit https://www.livephish.com/browse/music/0,1557/Phish-mp3-flac-download-07-23-97-Lakewood-Amphitheatre-Atlanta-GA

bought it even before i saw ppl in the comments arguing it contains the greatest "ghost" of all time

They feel they never told you

That's great Brad, I def want to hear your report after the show!

I haven't seen them since fall of 2018 and probably won't this year unless the rumors of another fall tour come true since they aren't swinging nearby for the summer tour.

yes Brad please provide full report!

I was at that show and it was one of my favorites back in the day. Hope you enjoyed.

lakewood 97? yeah totally blew my mind last night. not my favorite “ghost” as it turns out but amazing all the same. heartened by how many reviews of it say “this was my first phish show”

i have started a dumb project i will prob abandon at the first signs of struggle but i'm going to listen to every phish studio album and at least one live show for every year they've played ('97-00 i'm just gonna try to pick one i haven't heard yet, which will be easy)

checking out colorado 88 rn and fuck me, this is so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba4vCGtMBo8

i also listened to the white tape today and i think it's actually pretty cool and maybe the least embarrassing weird thing phish ever made

if phish didn't become phish i could see that tape becoming ultra-revered by the kind of ppl... well, who love zappa and ween of course. but in a cool way

vivid memory taking a flight from the Hartford, CT airport back home to see my folks and the inordinate number of people in legitimately mud-stained phish clothing.

Turns out it was fans that had attended their “last show” show in Coventry, VT.

i enjoy junta a lot more now that i'm familiar with all of these songs as set warhorses. still kind of hate "fee," still find "esther" awe-inspiring

Brad, please keep sharing yr thoughts, really loving this. I never came around on "Fee" either, still not really a fan of that. Glad you checking out Colorado '88, killer comp of where they were that year.