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On the other hand, I've heard artists as varied as Stevie Wonder (supposedly) and Brian Eno (very recently) indicate they want their unreleased stuff destroyed when they died, and that would be a huge shame. Neil Young is most definitely closer to the end of his career than to the start, but even if he wasn't he's got so much stuff in the can that it doesn't exactly feel like scraping the bottom in desperation whenever he deigns to release it, not least because he keeps releasing new stuff, too. The closest parallel is probably Prince, and he's also the perfect example of life getting in the way of your plans (or lack thereof). Granted, I think the Prince estate (whoever they are) have released some great sets since his death, but I'd much prefer to have Prince around, too, to enjoy the spoils and benefit from the publicity, all while making new music.

I just hope that Neil Young and a lot of these old folks have some backup plan in place, some kid who knows where and what everything is.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 14:14 (three years ago) link

I can't recall his name, but I know that Neil has an archivist guy...would imagine in his 40s or so?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 14:30 (three years ago) link

I remember reading, around the time that the "Bowie is ... " exhibit opened, that Bowie had at least a couple of people in charge of his physical and musical archives, organizing and itemizing every last thing (from shoes in storage rooms to studio sessions) in a easily accessible computer data base.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link

this say joel berstein is in charge (not that he's much younger than neil) tho i swear i read about another guy - with a more computer/technical background - maybe tyler knows

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link

another one just went up on NYA today — the 1971 solo Young Shakespeare Theater show ... due out 3/26. "Performance Series 3.5," haha

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:57 (three years ago) link

haha i got a notification on my phone from the app that "tell me why" from that show was up, but it didn't say the whole show was

i tried to listen to it but the app crashed my phone

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:59 (three years ago) link

xp i think bernstein has come and gone as the lead archivist over the years — not sure exactly how much input he has in to what actually gets released.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:00 (three years ago) link

oh and it's just one song up for that new thing right now ...

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link

still kind of weird that he's putting another solo show from this period out — Massey Hall and Cellar Door kinda cover the vibe. And there are supposedly even more from this era coming out in his Bootleg Series. great stuff, obviously, but not radically different from show to show.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:04 (three years ago) link

yeah, it's like he was certainly a consistently great solo acoustic performer back then but unless it's something like bottom line where it's bringing something to the table i'm not that interested

crazy horse live boots i feel like can all have different vibes, different jams etc

plus, if I'm looking correctly, there is no song in the tracklist of young shakespeare that isn't represented in either massey hall or cellar door (or, in some cases, both)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:15 (three years ago) link

yeah it's pretty much "The Set" he was playing at the time. Maybe he tells some great jokes.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link

SECRET NEW ARCHIVES RELEASE: Having Fun With Neil Young On Stage...

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:34 (three years ago) link

Stoned, incoherent ramblings, exclusively at the Neil Young Archives!

Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:35 (three years ago) link

I've realized I don't want to hear anyone's unreleased material.

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link

then you're definitely missing out when it comes to neil young

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link

"unreleased" with Neil has meant different things over different years

a lot of that stuff on Homegrown that came out last year was unreleased

now it's released. . .and it's good!

a (waterface), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link

it's a weird thing to say about NY

a (waterface), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link

you're assuming Neil's unreleased material was unreleased for the same reasons most artists unreleased material is unreleased

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link

Sure, I know a lot of his material he shuffles: bits recorded in 1975 end up on albums released years later.

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 17:15 (three years ago) link

but he has a ton of unreleased stuff on all this that's just better than stuff that was released is what i'm saying

because he is a weirdo

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 17:16 (three years ago) link

Yeah, Dylan and Neil could almost swap their catalogs for their respective (at the time) unreleased stuff and still be major artists.

Rocky Thee Stallion (PBKR), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link

some of the previously-unheard songs in the Archive releases are among his very best, yep. it's staggering.

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:06 (three years ago) link

Alfred, you gotta hear Neil's original synclavier demo for "Doghouse"

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link

did you hear the Four Tet remix of "Doghouse"?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:24 (three years ago) link

"unreleased" with Neil has meant different things over different years

a lot of that stuff on Homegrown that came out last year was unreleased

now it's released. . .and it's good!

It's OK, they definitely made the right choice not releasing it at the time though.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link

I love Homegrown. That and Chrome Dreams are two genuinely great lost albums. Hitchhiker is very good too, but unlike Homegrown, I can't say Hitchhiker and Chrome Dreams should have been released back in the day since they were quickly and thoroughly cannibalized for other albums. American Stars 'n' Bars is a mixed bag but Rust Never Sleeps is one of my absolute favorites by anyone. (Tonight's the Night vies with it for my favorite Neil Young album now - I'm glad it was released, but I wish Homegrown had been put out there too, like in 1976 or 1977.)

birdistheword, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 21:43 (three years ago) link

Even On the Beach was out of print for 20 years, and that album is not only one of his best, it *had* been released!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 22:29 (three years ago) link

I wish he'd pick up the pace, but TBH given what's been released already, I don't feel that unsatiated either. I'm sure there are more surprises that'll reward the fans (I didn't know about Hitchhiker, and maybe Toast will help redeem the lull at the turn of the century?), but I'm not expecting any more lost masterpieces. Great live albums/compilations are another thing, but Homegrown, Chrome Dreams and Times Square are the only shelved albums I'd ever put on par with his greatest LP's, and again releasing the latter two would've meant Rust Never Sleeps and Freedom as we know them wouldn't have happened.

birdistheword, Thursday, 11 February 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link

(actually, it's not a lull so much as a solid dip in quality)

birdistheword, Thursday, 11 February 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link

there's Oceanside Countryside which is probably closer to Hitchhiker

the Bottom Line show is a real gem, an important one (not sure if it's there's more than on the bootleg)

I think there's the full synth version of Trans but not sure if that's real or coming out

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link

I wonder if there's more from the Mirror Ball sessions? I'd be into that

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link

I really like Hitchhiker, great vibe

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link

found this, a new song Neil did at the Orpheum Theater show cbesinger and I went to, goofy stage banter galore and crowd participation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0IOIeaZuaI

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link

that one's on Colorado ... in fact it might be an overdubbed version from that very show. kinda cute.

tylerw, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link

ha i only made it through colorado a couple times tbh and didn't remember

click clack clickety clack WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link

yeah, i really think the quieter Colorado stuff is better, something is really off about the electric jams. maybe the missing ingredient is sampedro. listening to the odeon-budokan + rust bucket recordings gives a better view of what he's doing underneath neil and it is usually really nice. super simple, but that's the point.

tylerw, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link

nils is too good to be in crazy horse

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link

(well this version at least)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link

ha, maybe. he might be a little too eager to please.

maybe i already shared this but if not, here's an hour of nice neil rarities/oddities: https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2021/02/08/neil-young-a-few-honey-slides/

tylerw, Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link

imo a missed opportunity by not shipping Archives 2 with the ingredients and recipe for honey slides

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:42 (three years ago) link

but someone probably already made that joke upthread

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:42 (three years ago) link

yeah, i really think the quieter Colorado stuff is better, something is really off about the electric jams. maybe the missing ingredient is sampedro. listening to the odeon-budokan + rust bucket recordings gives a better view of what he's doing underneath neil and it is usually really nice. super simple, but that's the point.

I'll probably give it another try, but the one track that stayed with me was a very quiet number, "I Do." I've been doing homemade sequels to Decade just to have some place for stray tracks that I like, and that got a spot on Decade VI.

birdistheword, Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:47 (three years ago) link

this place has Archives II pre-orders for $50 off

https://www.popmarket.com/neil-young-archives-vol-ii-1972-1976/093624926214

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:29 (three years ago) link

great stuff on that mix tyler. one of my fondest DJing memories is playing that mr soul version once and actually witnessing humans dance to it

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 12 February 2021 13:20 (three years ago) link

ha! that's great.

tylerw, Friday, 12 February 2021 23:06 (three years ago) link

Young wrote on NYA that Young Shakespeare is, “a more calm performance, without the celebratory atmosphere of Massey Hall, captured live on 16mm. Young Shakespeare is a very special event. To my fans, I say this is the best ever…one of the most pure-sounding acoustic performances we have in the Archive.”

This beautiful concert is being released on LP, DVD and CD, plus a numbered deluxe boxed edition that includes all 3 formats – LP, CD and DVD.
---from this (seems to be a trailer or some kind of vid linked in here)
http://view.e.warnerrecords.com/?qs=8fa041e93a7d32bbe6cd346dc10837e7be109a786966be7fc031d8d66b69b3502ea5afabfa3336128c98f9d21336bb39afd5efa7fe5864f283c471a2ac92d4f8aa05837cde321dcb

dow, Saturday, 13 February 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link

If they still have the film elements (and it sounds like he does), I really wish they'd put out a Blu-ray disc. He makes a big deal about audio quality, but I get the impression sometimes that he doesn't give two shits about picture quality. The Rust Never Sleeps film on Blu-Ray is a terrible transfer - nothing to do with the film itself, it's all in the authoring, with digital compression artifacts everywhere and what looks like poor grain management - frankly it looks like it could've been a good-for-SD video transfer up-res'd to HD.

birdistheword, Saturday, 13 February 2021 01:46 (three years ago) link

If they still have the film elements (and it sounds like he does), I really wish they'd put out a Blu-ray disc. He makes a big deal about audio quality, but I get the impression sometimes that he doesn't give two shits about picture quality. The _Rust Never Sleeps_ film on Blu-Ray is a terrible transfer - nothing to do with the film itself, it's all in the authoring, with digital compression artifacts everywhere and what looks like poor grain management - frankly it looks like it could've been a good-for-SD video transfer up-res'd to HD.


The DVD ain't much better.

BlackIronPrison, Saturday, 13 February 2021 02:12 (three years ago) link

The old DVD wasn't even anamorphic.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 13 February 2021 04:38 (three years ago) link

Greendale was actually the first brand-new album that was released after I became a fan - bought it the week it came out and was pleasantly surprised by a bonus DVD that said Live at Vicar St. Thank god for it too, because I don't think I would've liked Neil's song cycle without it.

I noticed last week that an audio-only version of the Vicar St. disc was streaming everywhere: Neil's site, Apple Music, Spotify, Neil's own YouTube channel, etc. I tried the studio album first, and except for "Bandit" (by far my favorite track), the whole thing kind of laid there. It was especially disappointing as a Crazy Horse recording, but Pancho was more or less relegated to keyboards, so perhaps that may have been part of the problem. I tried the Vicar St. album today and even without picture, it was still a night and day difference - a rare instance where a solo acoustic performance is far more powerful than the Crazy Horse rendition.

In a lot of ways, it reminds me of Springsteen on Broadway. That idea sounded dubious when I first heard about it, but then the reviews came in and I got curious. Before I saw it, I knew it was Bruce doing solo renditions of old songs (a few with Patti) and telling stories that were already covered in his memoir - I could see how it might be good, but it was far better than I could have expected. The reasons why it were better are kind of applicable with the Vicar St. album. In either case, if they only played the songs, it might have been underwhelming. If it was just the spoken word bits, it wouldn't have been enough to sustain an entire show or even half a show. You really need both elements to play off of each other. In Springsteen's case, it created a context that gave a new life and a different perspective of each song - you were supposed to process them through the lens of the preceding words. The same effect happens with Vicar St., and it really helps with a narrative-heavy project like this because as the show moves along, Neil fleshes them out with more and more details, and it's especially engaging to hear how Neil views his own characters - it gives them more weight and makes the project feel much more personal. The performances themselves are especially good - Neil knows it's going to be a challenge getting this across, especially when he's never done anything like this before. He's more engaged with the audience himself, and he's more invested and focused when he performs each number on his own.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 05:09 (three years ago) link


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