The Jordan Peterson Thread

as far as I can tell his 15 minutes started with the politics. that's what attracted his shithead fans in the first place

this isn't the thread for it i am increasingly convinced that "success in life / work" or whatever is defined by how much you can be the exact opposite of the kind of psycho described in these books.

_the self-help seems like a trojan horse for the politics_

I actually disagree, I think the politics are a Trojan horse for extremely normie mainstream self-help stuff, conveying it to an audience predisposed to think that's girly shit

when people say they've benefited from reading him, they're talking about his stuff about embracing responsibility and personal. they're not talking about the hysterical reactionary jeremiads, ya know. he gets attention from the politics, but then he hooks people with the self-help, and then these are the people who are actually convinced of the politics

stop making excuses for fascists

If you’re selling it that way, misogyny is part of the package. Not sure how else to convey this. It’s no mystery why he has the audience he does.

two trojan horses, working hand in hand -- hoof in hoof -- at regular intervals, this is what i am envisioning

he's a fascist who attracts kiddie fascists with fascism it's literally that simple

when people say they've benefited from reading him they're beyond help, self or otherwise

misogyny is a huge part of his package, of course. he associates "chaos" with "the feminine." but you wouldn't need to do that to accept the main thing his defenders say they like about him, which is that he taught them to reject fantasy and embrace the everyday struggles that constitute an actual human life. the latter point can be made on its own, and has, by other, better people. and it's a little different than what you get in most self-help.

none of this is about excuses

all self-help books are reactionary

in a grand sense, maybe

jeez i was joking about the room stuff

my god

you were joking in a grand sense, maybe

i used to live near cathy newman and saw her quite a bit in a nearby restaurant

sadly treesh i don't think i've done anything in the grand sense my whole life :/

xps this becomes about excuses when we have to constantly remind everyone how these people are lost and hurting and attracted to banal and relatable things as well as misogyny and white supremacy. like who cares. we had too much of this in 2015-17 already. misplaced empathy

chaos rules and thankfully it has no gender.

chaos is queer

when people say they've benefited from reading him, they're talking about his stuff about embracing responsibility and personal.

They might claim this, but the real reason is the exact opposite. People like him because he gives them someone to blame their problems on like women, leftists, environmentalists, trans people, whoever. He claims to preach a message of responsibility but everything he actually says is the exact opposite, it's all about denying your personal failings and bitterness and pinning it on someone else. That's why he's so popular.

from what i gather from his defenders, his key point is that people need to accept the fact that life is painful and that the only way out of the bind is by accepting responsibility, making your life into something meaningful.

Well, they're halfway there, anyway. Now they need to read Schopenhauer and realize that life is pain and there is no way out of the bind, that life will never be anything but misery.

misplaced empathy

This is treeship's entire role on ILX.

life is pain
clean your room

life was often painful for me before I discovered germoloids suppositories, much more useful than JP!

clean your moon

"disinfect and dust your environs so you stay healthy" is much more useful advice than "clean your room" imo

People like him because he gives them someone to blame their problems on like women, leftists, environmentalists, trans people, whoever.

do his self-help books actually contain any of the politics though?

like is like "clean your room. don't use they/them pronouns if asked"

?

Did you read the many many posts in this thread about how he codes chaos as women/femaleness whereas order/logic/reason is male?

oh i lose track of what is in the books and what is in his lectures/youtube videos etc.

I always find it odd that he peddles macho fascism-light yet speaks in a soft, Kermit-like voice and seems to cry a lot during talks. But then Hitler, prophet of the Aryan master race, was ugly, brown-haired, clownish and not very tall.

I saw him at a hockey game a few years ago and I told he sucks and it wasn't him.

One of the most embarrassing moments in my life. Now I dislike him even more.

LOL, good for you.... apart from the embarrassment.

lmao

I have a friend who shares the name of famous actor Richard H@rris, and who one day in Prague spotted an old aquaintance from Bucharest up the street, disappearing into a crowd. He started calling after him, "Mike! Mike!" and then took up chase, weaving in and out of others, calling "Mike!"

Finally catching up to him, winded, he took him by the shoulder, "Mike!" The man turned around. "Mike! It's me, Richard H@arris! From Bucharest!" The man was startled, and nonplussed, because he was Dustin Hoffman.

I didnt see that ending, amazing

He should've known that Hoffman's maternal grandmother was from Iași, not Bucharest.

I didn't know he was actually Romanian!

it reminds me of the time i met an irish gay in london and he looked familiar and so i assumed i must know him somehow and started asking him all kinds of veiled questions about people he might knew interminably before finally just coming out and asking him how i might know him and he said "have you ever heard of the band westlife?"

Zomg you know louis walsh

Daniel O'Donnell surely?

no it was the gay one from Westlife

I was like 'do you know a Rory who went to nuig....?'

he did not

Yes, I realized that the millisecond after I'd posted but I didn't know there was a gay one in Westlife tbh.

the gay one in Westlife is going to be the name of my next plant, thank you