also i need to rewatch s4 and s5 (and possibly s3 also)
we need a breakdown of who is most annoying and who is most effective speaking belter (the most syncretic and chaotically code-shifting language in human history)
― mark s, Friday, 5 February 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link
I loved Jared Harris' swarthy, full bodied take on the belter accent
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Friday, 5 February 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link
It’s one of Drummer, Ashford, Dawes or Diogo.
― American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Saturday, 6 February 2021 06:23 (three years ago) link
Just caught up on this season: another banger. The first two episodes were slower than I remember this show being, but during ep 3 I got so pulled in and ultimately I think it was my favorite season since S2. Amos's storyline was fantastic, totally loved all the trekking through a ravaged Earth stuff. I could have seen a whole season of that. I was moved by Naomi's family drama and her ordeal in the booby trapped ship. Her final rescue by Bobbie was also creatively depicted. Really, only Holden's storyline was boring and they wisely didn't spend much time on it. It did seem like Alex's death was glossed over, but that situation was probably handled as best as it could be. In summary, love this show
― Vinnie, Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:43 (three years ago) link
I was planning on taking a break before reading the next book in the series (B5, the one this series was based on) but after seeing S5, goddamn I can't wait to read the book either
― Vinnie, Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link
my appropriately waif-like roommate is planning to audition to play a belter miner!
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:50 (three years ago) link
lol. make them practice the accent/lingo with you
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:52 (three years ago) link
friend of mine worked on the set last season. he said all face tattoos must be real. make sure to tell your roommate in advance.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 25 February 2021 01:22 (three years ago) link
Lol will they give a stipend to get one
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 February 2021 01:48 (three years ago) link
Fiiiinally caught up. Naomi stuff was the weirdest combination of super tense & completely baffling, never been so on the edge of my seat for something i could barely fathom lmao. great acting loved the Amos side adventure - honestly they could drag us to him attending space traffic-school and I’d still love itBobbi + Crisjen = 🎶 reunited and it feels so good🎶All the band is back together, all we need is some miller (somehow?) and we’ll be full circlefave characters ranked:1 Amos2 Bobbi3 Camina4 Chrisjen5 Naomi...and Holden last bc he’s such a goob so many great female characters in this show, such a blessing
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 28 February 2021 07:33 (three years ago) link
veg that's my ranking too
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Sunday, 28 February 2021 07:42 (three years ago) link
and Holden last bc he’s such a goob
agreed but 'there was a button and i pushed it' was great
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 February 2021 07:50 (three years ago) link
i'd move bobbi down to 4th but thats just coz love chrisjen and drummer so muchcara gee really has been so good on this, anyone ever seen anything else she's been in?
― H in Addis, Sunday, 28 February 2021 11:14 (three years ago) link
she was in one episode of LETTERKENNY, eh?
almost didn’t recognize her without the eyelids
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 February 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
― mookieproof, Saturday, February 27, 2021 11:50 PM (yesterday
lol yeah!
― sarahell, Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
Although the authors have stated that they edit each other's chapters several times, Franck is the main writer on the chapters with Holden, Amos, Bobbie, and Anna as viewpoint characters, and Abraham writes Miller, Melba, Avasarala, Bull, Prax, Naomi, and Alex
I'm guessing Holden is a better character in the books -- in the TV show, all of Franck's other characters > all of Abraham's characters.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 1 March 2021 03:16 (three years ago) link
They're not very different (I don't care much for the book Holden or show Holden thus far) but I don't think Steven Strait is a great actor, which hurts the show character
― Vinnie, Monday, 1 March 2021 10:12 (three years ago) link
Strait has grown, or grown on me, a lot over the years tbh
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 1 March 2021 12:18 (three years ago) link
to put it another way, he's much easier for me to watch than Jon Snow despite essentially being Jon Space
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 1 March 2021 12:40 (three years ago) link
it's always sort of helped for me that he looks practically identical to one of my top HTFAC footballing heroes of the last decade, the German centre-back Christopher Schindler. So I just let it go that he's a pisspoor actor with zero charisma.
― calzino, Monday, 1 March 2021 12:47 (three years ago) link
Jon Space is a perfect description
― Vinnie, Monday, 1 March 2021 13:18 (three years ago) link
the Zeppo of the stars, if you will
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 March 2021 14:52 (three years ago) link
He's the blank slate handsome male lead who just knows how to do things, possible audience insert character. I think the writers know that is all he is and give him the material he's fated to have. That was probably the misstep with the alien technology planet -- they had this kind of interesting self-contained plot arc that added lore to the main story, but having it so Holden-centric on the ground was just kind of blah. The space stuff got short shrift in the show but it honestly was a lot of technical maneuvering and material shortages so there wasn't a lot for the screen there, either.
I guess his main bonus aspect is everyone can say "oh, it's so nice you're here to keep our forward momentum going, buddy!" while every other character is less boring
honestly, Alex was the second-most boring to me in the books, just this old-timey former military guy who was dodging his family and doing scutwork because he'd rather be on a job. not a huge loss as far as the show goes?
I think the fact the show was fairly gamed-out as a rpg-style exercise makes a lot of the choices make sense. Each character is a different class, and differing faction alliances and backstories. Holden has points allocated to leadership and pluckiness and his backstory is "hey I'm from the future and my family is some sort of collective child-raising/polycule thing" but not a lot beyond that
― mh, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 02:29 (three years ago) link
I actually quite like Strait, he has a weary glumness that rings true for someone who has been through all that shit.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 10:28 (three years ago) link
he's a bimbo who unexpectedly got involved in an intergalactic power struggle and is just tryina do good, and within those parameters he knocks it outta the park imo
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 11:43 (three years ago) link
sorry, interplanetary
he does do the glumness well
imagine, you’ve fucked off to an ice hauler gig and the galaxy finally gives you purpose in life and it’s just this never-ending series of bullshit
― mh, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link
― mh, Wednesday, March 3, 2021 7:40 AM (twenty-four minutes ago)
honestly this is super relatable to me ... I do miss the Holden/Miller interplay
― sarahell, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link
and also everyone in the galaxy knows who you are and mostly just finds you annoying
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link
when you make the Right decisions that benefit the common good and no one group in particular, no one group will be your friends
― mh, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 16:12 (three years ago) link
and combine that with being the first one to tell people something they really don't want to hear. I do feel that he could be written better though -- there are some more interesting/funny bits in the books that the show doesn't use. It's like they're thinking, "isn't being the cute white guy in charge enough?"
― sarahell, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 16:15 (three years ago) link
I was sort of hoping the show would do more with his weird family/origins situation but it would pull attention from too many other characters I like better. This is the rare show that would actually benefit from longer seasons.
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 16:26 (three years ago) link
yeah, i don't really have a problem with with strait, holden was boring in books as well, so strait at least pretty when furrows brow the books don't really give anyone deep characterization so not much lost by portrayal and think show done great and better job of providing emotions and motivation to all
think someone posted above re show but i think just comes from books they were set up as RPG to begin with
― H in Addis, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
also he furrows his brow and frowns stoically so much of the time that when he does have occasion to crack a genuine smile it feels like a major moment, lol
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link
every time holden smiles i genuinely think "wow that guy has such a nice, warm, inviting smile! i love this guy!"
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 23:39 (three years ago) link
He's the straight man, his name is literally Strait. He's my least favorite of the major characters, but as an inert mass that the rest of the characters orbit around I guess he does the job. I don't know how much more a better actor could do with the part. Though Timothy Olyphant, e.g., might make it more interesting.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 23:55 (three years ago) link
Recast everyone with it's always sunny players. Jimmi Simpson already played the same kind of mopey character in Westworld and Perpetual Grace.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 March 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link
The Gang Opens an Intergalactic Alien Portal
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 4 March 2021 01:21 (three years ago) link
Fred Johnson may stay.https://i.redd.it/mqsgtpj4kql01.jpg
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:01 (three years ago) link
how the fuck did I not make the connection that Fred Johnson is Cutty from The Wire
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:20 (three years ago) link
i.... dk!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:42 (three years ago) link
dude
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 March 2021 00:22 (three years ago) link
his range in acting is such that he was completely incognito
― mh, Friday, 5 March 2021 01:54 (three years ago) link
what makes little sense is when he showed up on Always Sunny, I said "that's Cutty" immediately, yet no reaction when I saw him on the Expanse
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 02:14 (three years ago) link
the game wasn't in him anymore
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 5 March 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
in the books he survives the assassination
― sarahell, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 06:42 (three years ago) link
Drummer wasn't a fan favorite by then. There's certainly some influence of the show on the later books.
― A Like Supreme (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:20 (three years ago) link
Cara Gee deserves immense credit for what she's done with that role. She rules.
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
Yeah the show is playing out a bit differently than the books, moreso in the later seasons. I was surprised that some chunks of book 6 (which I just finished) were pulled into season 5 - I feel they'll have to add quite a bit of new or future material to season 6 to compensate. Incidentally book 6 was my least favorite thus far, didn't have enough to it, too many POVs
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 23:19 (three years ago) link
started this up recently, about 6 episodes in, still on the fence
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 23:21 (three years ago) link