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Basic biology says you cut off the testicles, not the penis.

zackly

oh that's what you were saying ok yeah

If only castration was still practiced on anything then maybe we'd understand the mystery

It's not practiced on singers!

Non-human singers tho.

we know what castration is, though

You know, there's something castrato-esque about the Beach Boys's vocal harmonies.

castration is cutting the penis off lads. ask any ox

ok folks i've cut off my penis and testicles. what next?

make an ile poll about this for the love of god

put them in the box, crut

We need some kind of "pet sounds" to resolve this quandary.

make an ile poll about this for the love of god

I'll let someone else do the honours.

(sorry Brad)

Wikipedia sez:

The term castration may also be sometimes used to refer to emasculation where both the testicles and the penis are removed together. In some cultures, and in some translations, no distinction is made between the two. This can cause confusion.

The accompanying tableau is something else:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emasculation

ok folks i've cut off my penis and testicles. what next?

Write a symphonic pop suite, duh.

You could call it, "When They Go Low, We Go High."

or learn to juggle

lol Josh

ok folks i've cut off my penis and testicles. what next?

They say I got brains
But they ain't doing me no good
I wish they could
Each time things start to happen again
I think I got something good goin' for myself
But what goes wrong
Sometimes I feel very sadddd

Basic biology says you cut off the testicles, not the penis.

― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, February 1, 2021 3:18 PM bookmarkflaglink

Yes, afaict the penis was only cut off when mistakes were made during a performance

I fucking hate the shit out of 'Wouldn't It Be Nice'.

Tempo fluctuations are masterful on that track, the percussion alone justifies the hype imo

'No Surprises' is a direct reference to the little intro riff, isn't it? There's quite a lot of Pet Sounds homage on Ok Computer. Heh >:)

There's plenty to like about the album from a technical standpoint, but the way it's deployed is a complete and utter waste. I don't begrudge bands that took their cues from PS's more innovative facets, I just can't deal with its jejune tone.

Things I found out relatively recently: cutting off one or both knackers is called an orchidectomy.

I figured orchidectomy might be an ilx-whack but no - an imago post from 2015:

When we started, we were teenagers, fucking around and just learning to play, but we quickly learned the techniques we needed to create our vision, inspired by tons of sick bands like Infested Blood, Brodequin, Pustulated, Bound and Gagged, Orchidectomy, Amputated Genitals, Urinary Tract Infection From Severe Pus Clots, Guttural Secrete, Foetopsy, Anal Birth, Liturgy, Haemotodipsomania, Paracoccidioidomicosisproctitissarcomucosis, Wormed, Last Days Of Humanity, blah blah blah.

pom, it kinda sounds like you're diminishing pet sounds for being a pop album that's about the stuff that pop albums are usually about

i was singing along to “rooster” by Alice In Chains the other week and i was sounding the best when I sung in really really high voice, like a Mr Bill voice

if you can't just like pet sounds on a gut level it's not for you. n.b. i loved pet sounds at a young age but didn't care for very much "twee indie" that was supposedly inspired by it. the lyrics aren't jejune, they're direct and powerful. they have resonance. if they aren't reaching you, you're far from them, and that's ok. "wouldn't it be nice" is a queer anthem if you ask me.

A puerile atmosphere is hardly a staple of all pop, thank Christ. I think I just despise kiddie music, whether self-conscious or not. See also: bubblegum bass, which has got to be the worst recent musical trend.

you dislike kiddie music, but you like "sloop john b," which is the only song on the record that really merits that description

I hate it less than the others because it's folk music.

I'm working on a book with someone who underwent an orchidectomy. Under local anesthesia.

haha i thought that said "about someone" instead of "with someone" for a second

A puerile atmosphere is hardly a staple of all pop, thank Christ.

I would argue that it is.

If you work with the broadest possible definition of 'puerile', sure, it's a defensible take.

You know, there's something castrato-esque about the Beach Boys's vocal harmonies.

One of Brian's recurring hang-ups was that people might think singing so high was unmanly.

I don't think you need to get broader than "childishly silly or trivial", which for good or ill describes a large amount of pop music

A large amount, yeah, no doubt about it.

in the case of "wouldn't it be nice," which is about the ache of wanting to always have love - if that's childish subject matter then i don't want "adult" music.

I have no bone to pick with the sentiment itself, but the way it's musically expressed in that song makes me want to retch, sorry.

just chiming in to say that pet sounds is overrated, but still kinda good. i prefer to listen to the accapella version these days.

brian's 2004 SMiLE is amazing and my preferred version of the album.

in the imagination of a child, all music is children's music. that is all.

in the imagination of a child, all music is children's music. that is all.

Fwiw I very much agree with this and am for child-like rather than childish music – an admittedly fragile distinction.

Is it controversial to suggest that Mike Love is an important element of the Beach Boys presentation, in that he adds an element of adult calculation and cynicism?

Actually, my very first impression on hearing Pet Sounds was that it's way more emotionally sophisticated- mature even- than whatever else I was listening to at that time (probably OK computer, funnily enough).

The "kiddie" element is fairly superficial imo, if anything it's disarming. I've walked around the San Diego Zoo with PS playing in my headphones and felt much closer to it listening in my bedroom. I mean, it's introspective to the point of being self-absorbed at times.

I don't know what jejune means, even after googling. But... the lyrics are really abstract, really not a lot of specific, concrete imagery for sure. I wouldn't fault someone for saying they're a little plain, what's really neat imo is that the music provides all the visual detail, the bicycle bells etc, that you normally would get from the words which is an interesting and effective flip.

Is it controversial to suggest that Mike Love is an important element of the Beach Boys presentation, in that he adds an element of adult calculation and cynicism?

Plus finger-guns.

haha i thought that said "about someone" instead of "with someone" for a second

Both; it's a memoir.

is "incel rock" a fake genre i'm gonna have to hear about now or can we cut it out as of today

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, February 1, 2021 1:30 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i guess it fits "add it up" by the violent femmes

― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, February 1, 2021 1:31 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Not unless the meaning of "incel" is stretched so broadly as to contain the whole landscape of male sexual frustration -- in my view it properly refers to a frustrated sense of sexual *entitlement* curdling into bitterness. Writing "Add It Up" and rocking out with your fellow lonely frustrated bros is an act of fellowship, it's what you do INSTEAD of becoming an incel.

Another way to put it: "Why can't I get just one fuck" is a rhetorical question, not a question whose implicit answer is "because women are evil and only want Chad"