And didn't write the lyrics on "Pet Sounds" anyway.
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Monday, 1 February 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link
Even if you don't like the lyrics, take pleasure in the fact that Mike Love fucking hated them
Thanks, I needed that.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link
ums, I was not aware of that biographical background. It's not what I usually listen for in music tbh, but I'll read up on it.
As for the 'incel' quip, you don't need to be one to soundtrack it.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 18:47 (three years ago) link
Both Brian Wilson's Smile and the officially released unfinished BB Smile are worthwhile.
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 February 2021 18:47 (three years ago) link
I don't get "incel" at all in the context of Pet Sounds - even the songs where I could maybe see some argument that there is sexism, it's more of a patriarchal paternalism variety than misogynist resentment stemming from sexual frustration (?).
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Monday, 1 February 2021 18:54 (three years ago) link
yeah the lyrics are strangely sexless
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 February 2021 18:55 (three years ago) link
incel music is, like, “Dude Looks Like A Lady”
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 1 February 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link
God Only Knows is the ultimate Nice Guy ballad
― Left, Monday, 1 February 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link
I guess to my mind 'incel' also covers that, which speaks to ums's point about it not meaning anything anymore.
2xp
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link
I hate it when guys are nice.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Monday, 1 February 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link
I love you so much I’ll kill myself if you leave me isn’t that romantic
― Left, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:01 (three years ago) link
"Romantic" isn't what I like about it. I hear it as wounded and desperate.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link
Xpost not a fan of Brel?
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:07 (three years ago) link
idk
but the beach boys grossness is v different from e.g. the stones’ grossness in that it doesn’t always seem intentional. doesn’t make it better or worse but it’s a specific kind of ickyness that a lot of later twee stuff probably picked up on. the tunes often being good actually makes it worse
― Left, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
I mean, that is a Romantic sentiment, tbf. What it's not is healthy or rational.
Tbc, I wasn't saying that Pet Sounds is a model of moral principle and progressive gender relations but that I don't see it as having anything to do with the specific issues I associate with inceldom.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
Xpost Depression and mental health issues are gross amirite
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
masterpiece of disingenuity
― Left, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link
I don't see it as having anything to do with the specific issues I associate with inceldom.
I agree that, stricto sensu, 'incel' is a bit of a misnomer here but the hate must go on.
Also, is this true?
Brian Wilson invented “incel rock” in 1977 with Love You, an album about a perverted married incel looking for a (possibly underage) girlfriend and talking about hypnosis and psychic powers. @theneedledrop has bad taste, doesnt know about this https://t.co/F02f49eqf5— wydna.kb (@KBULTRA0) January 13, 2020
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:24 (three years ago) link
Xpost nah it's more like, y'know, actually knowing something about the musician in question
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
(xp) What, a slightly creepy fondness for Johnny Carson makes you an incel?
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link
that tweet is not remotely true lmao
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link
Including the part about Fantano having bad taste?
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link
is "incel rock" a fake genre i'm gonna have to hear about now or can we cut it out as of today
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link
i guess it fits "add it up" by the violent femmes
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:31 (three years ago) link
https://www.nme.com/reviews/steel-panther-heavy-metal-rules-review-2549228
They’re four dudes who look and sound like an LA hair metal band from the ’80s, right, but (and here comes the punchline) they’re doing it today. The gag involves dumb guitar riffs and even dumber lyrics about sex, babes and metal. Gleeful misogyny is built into the routine and their earlier work also boasted flourishes of racism and homophobia. Ladies and gentlemen: this is incel rock.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:31 (three years ago) link
this is the worst possible beach boys discussion
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:33 (three years ago) link
Pom did manage to post a legitimately controversial music opinion.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:34 (three years ago) link
The word "incel" is only about 15 years old - there was an episode of Reply All about the woman who coined it.Gone down a rabbit hole now about this ad man who was hired by Brian Wilson to write the lyrics to one of the best-regarded LPs in history and has basically not worked in music beyond this?! all new to me.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Asher
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
The only way forward is to hijack it into an even worse discussion about another canonical band/album, but I'm out of challops for the moment.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
xps fuck off people are allowed to find songs creepy without studying the author's personal life in detail
loads of rock has been incel especially on the indie/emo side of things. there's also plenty of incel rap, incel country, incel pop, incel literature etc. or is incel a slur now
― Left, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
Led Zeppelin should be permanently cancelled for being child rapists
― Left, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
How about: Pet Sounds is also responsible for the unspeakable horrors of 80s sophisti-pop (fade into challop #2).
(Needs some work tbh.)
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
hi left! 🙂
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:40 (three years ago) link
The word "incel" is only about 15 years old - there was an episode of Reply All about the woman who coined it.
On the contrary, I'm suprised it's that old.
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:40 (three years ago) link
TS: incel rock vs simp rock.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
Left at 7:39 1 Feb 21Led Zeppelin should be permanently cancelled for being child rapists
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
incel literature what like swann's way
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
The story of the coining of Incels is interesting, if you can take podcasts/ Reply Allhttps://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/76h59o
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
i'm actually v interested in that thanks for linking caal
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
oh and there's a transcript so i don't even have to listen, god bless
neon genesis evangelion is incel anime
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
I've seen Weezer described as incel rock.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
pinkterton is the most incel album ever recorded
― Left, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link
cancel that proto-4chan edgelord don quixote
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link
Don't forget Dante.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link
I never finished don quixote but there’s a pretty good demolition of his incel mindset pretty early on iirc
― Left, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
castrati surely the ur-incel rock
― rob, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
lol
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
Haven't seen that Farinelli biopic but isn't he portrayed as a massive horndog?
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 February 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link
Yes, also you're not missing much.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:04 (three years ago) link