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btw pom "Surf's Up"'s lyrics (as all the lyrics on Smile) were written by Van Dyke Parks

Even if you don't like the lyrics, take pleasure in the fact that Mike Love fucking hated them

I was thinking there was too much positivity on this thread so I thought I might put on my perennial classic-album-that-I-hate Reign In Blood and post something like "this isn't speed metal so much as music for turnips" but it sounds real good today

mentally 12-year-old man tries to imagine what adult relationships are
Sums it up, really. Not only do I not get the appeal at all but I fail to see how the Greatest Album of All Time™ could possibly revolve around this theme.

― pomenitul, Monday, February 1, 2021 10:54 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean the only way to understand Brian Wilson is as a victim of child abuse so if you don't like it fine but you seem to be trying to frame it in the cruelest possible way

I think Brian Wilson presents Smile was a total triumph, it's a more realized work and I think you can get the spirit of him working with people who care about it and want to do it justice

i would like to reexperience hearing "our prayer" for the first time

also like I know "incel" doesn't mean anything anymore but he was married in 1964 and has 7 children

And didn't write the lyrics on "Pet Sounds" anyway.

Even if you don't like the lyrics, take pleasure in the fact that Mike Love fucking hated them

Thanks, I needed that.

ums, I was not aware of that biographical background. It's not what I usually listen for in music tbh, but I'll read up on it.

As for the 'incel' quip, you don't need to be one to soundtrack it.

Both Brian Wilson's Smile and the officially released unfinished BB Smile are worthwhile.

I don't get "incel" at all in the context of Pet Sounds - even the songs where I could maybe see some argument that there is sexism, it's more of a patriarchal paternalism variety than misogynist resentment stemming from sexual frustration (?).

yeah the lyrics are strangely sexless

incel music is, like, “Dude Looks Like A Lady”

God Only Knows is the ultimate Nice Guy ballad

I guess to my mind 'incel' also covers that, which speaks to ums's point about it not meaning anything anymore.

2xp

I hate it when guys are nice.

I love you so much I’ll kill myself if you leave me isn’t that romantic

"Romantic" isn't what I like about it. I hear it as wounded and desperate.

Xpost not a fan of Brel?

idk

but the beach boys grossness is v different from e.g. the stones’ grossness in that it doesn’t always seem intentional. doesn’t make it better or worse but it’s a specific kind of ickyness that a lot of later twee stuff probably picked up on. the tunes often being good actually makes it worse

I mean, that is a Romantic sentiment, tbf. What it's not is healthy or rational.

Tbc, I wasn't saying that Pet Sounds is a model of moral principle and progressive gender relations but that I don't see it as having anything to do with the specific issues I associate with inceldom.

Xpost Depression and mental health issues are gross amirite

masterpiece of disingenuity

I don't see it as having anything to do with the specific issues I associate with inceldom.

I agree that, stricto sensu, 'incel' is a bit of a misnomer here but the hate must go on.

Also, is this true?

Brian Wilson invented “incel rock” in 1977 with Love You, an album about a perverted married incel looking for a (possibly underage) girlfriend and talking about hypnosis and psychic powers. @theneedledrop has bad taste, doesnt know about this https://t.co/F02f49eqf5

— wydna.kb (@KBULTRA0) January 13, 2020

Xpost nah it's more like, y'know, actually knowing something about the musician in question

(xp) What, a slightly creepy fondness for Johnny Carson makes you an incel?

that tweet is not remotely true lmao

Including the part about Fantano having bad taste?

is "incel rock" a fake genre i'm gonna have to hear about now or can we cut it out as of today

i guess it fits "add it up" by the violent femmes

https://www.nme.com/reviews/steel-panther-heavy-metal-rules-review-2549228

They’re four dudes who look and sound like an LA hair metal band from the ’80s, right, but (and here comes the punchline) they’re doing it today. The gag involves dumb guitar riffs and even dumber lyrics about sex, babes and metal. Gleeful misogyny is built into the routine and their earlier work also boasted flourishes of racism and homophobia. Ladies and gentlemen: this is incel rock.

this is the worst possible beach boys discussion

Pom did manage to post a legitimately controversial music opinion.

The word "incel" is only about 15 years old - there was an episode of Reply All about the woman who coined it.

Gone down a rabbit hole now about this ad man who was hired by Brian Wilson to write the lyrics to one of the best-regarded LPs in history and has basically not worked in music beyond this?! all new to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Asher

The only way forward is to hijack it into an even worse discussion about another canonical band/album, but I'm out of challops for the moment.

xps fuck off people are allowed to find songs creepy without studying the author's personal life in detail

loads of rock has been incel especially on the indie/emo side of things. there's also plenty of incel rap, incel country, incel pop, incel literature etc. or is incel a slur now

Led Zeppelin should be permanently cancelled for being child rapists

How about: Pet Sounds is also responsible for the unspeakable horrors of 80s sophisti-pop (fade into challop #2).

(Needs some work tbh.)

hi left! 🙂

The word "incel" is only about 15 years old - there was an episode of Reply All about the woman who coined it.

On the contrary, I'm suprised it's that old.

TS: incel rock vs simp rock.

Left at 7:39 1 Feb 21
Led Zeppelin should be permanently cancelled for being child rapists

incel literature what like swann's way

The story of the coining of Incels is interesting, if you can take podcasts/ Reply All

https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/76h59o

i'm actually v interested in that thanks for linking caal

oh and there's a transcript so i don't even have to listen, god bless

neon genesis evangelion is incel anime

I've seen Weezer described as incel rock.

pinkterton is the most incel album ever recorded

cancel that proto-4chan edgelord don quixote