Hatred of Itunes

I use iTunes for one task only, and that is to auto-organize my new music files on my PC

Yeah, like with photos, as soon as your collection grows beyond a certain size, basic folder organising doesn’t cut it anymore. I’m fairly happy with Music (the iTunes successor on macOS) because it’s still pretty fast even with 200,000+ songs and it’s quite powerful in terms of scripting, all the ways to slice and dice the library views and the smart playlisting.

My biggest gripe is that Apple’s music ecosystem still can’t handle multiple artists per song or multiple genres per song - there’s a couple of players/library managers that do support this, but they all have various other downsides.

Oh, and it also appears that my library size is now too big for the Genius playlists feature - it times out every time it tries to upload the Genius analysis results to the Apple servers. I’ve understood that this starts happening somewhere beyond 50-100k songs.

when I speak to Mac users, they don't seem to understand what the issue is, and just keep telling me to use iTunes/Music.

The universal talking-to-Apple-fans experience! Just wait until you find a bug and they tell you all the ways that it's All Your Fault, Actually. Avoid discussions.apple.com at all costs and go straight to apple.stackexchange.com when you have a problem.

This is good advice, speaking as a Mac user and broad fan. The 'advice' at discussions.apple.com is comically bad and usually consists of completely ignoring what the original poster asks.

Look, it’s simple: there is no problem that cannot be solved by resetting the NVRAM and SMC. And if that doesn’t work, go buy a new Mac. Obviously.

Desktop Windows iTunes:

In Artists view (and Composers and Compilations) I am shown the complete tracklisting of every album. Is there any way to change it to a grid of album covers, as in Albums or Recently Added? I can't find a way and it's annoying.

I think the best you can do is view Albums and order by artists. Which sucks of course.

Ah this is the doglatin thread, I’d forgotten. dl, you might consider Plex as a media server. it keeps everything organised the way you have it, and you can use Plexamp on your phone to stream from your computer if you’re out and about. it doesn’t have as powerful smart playlist features as Apple Music and i’m still not sure what the solution is for wanting to have columns in the Finder for bit rate and what have you. but you might want to check it out.

So this week I went to backup my iTunes files to an external HD, as I do periodically with never a problem, the only difference this time being a new HD. This time however something went terribly terribly wrong. Result: no files show up on the HD, and in iTunes about 15% of all of my songs will not play bc the files cannot be located. "The original file could not be found" is exactly what it says. I'm mystified as to where these files could have gone.

A tech guy looked at this for about an hour and could not figure it out. I told him I happen to have every file in my iPod Classic as well, which led to downloading an app that can transfer iPod files back to iTunes. This *seemed* to be working but after it was done I opened up iTunes and found the problem the same as before. Again no idea of where these files went when they were supposedly transferring.

So now I'm desperately clinging to my iPod Classic hoping it lives as long as possible, bc when it dies there goes 15% of my collection.

that's terrible. there does exist software I think to get the music off of your phone and onto your computer though—or at least there used to

I have most of these files on my phone too, but my phone is confusing me at the moment too, because there songs show up (and play) from my playlists but the same songs don't appear in the main list of songs, or in the list of artists. Admittedly I very rarely play music thru my phone so maybe I'm overlooking something obvious.

Have you tried using that app to transfer the iPod files to a fresh iTunes library rather than the old ones that sounds like it’s corrupt?

Good question, I think that was an idea that came up but it seemed so simple just to transfer back to the original iTunes. The app reads what's already in your iTunes so that it only transfers back the files that aren't already there, and the total number of files the app said were missing was roughly the number I expected, so I thought OK the app is smart. But as you suggest, something seems wrong with the iTunes library itself, so making a new library could be an option.

just moved to Music from iTunes

"Recently Played" is worse now. click an album and:

- where iTunes had a double-column list of songs, we're now at single-column, track name and track length are basically on separate continents.

- for SOME REASON, the keyboard focus is on the song rating when you get into this view. (see the little outline box around the star rating.) so hitting space to play/pause does nothing until you ... click something outside the song rating? NOPE. you gotta hit tab twice.

holy shit do i hate Music dot app mostly for not letting me change how things appear on the screen

" "The original file could not be found" is exactly what it says. " I don't know if your problem ever got solved, but I've def had weird situations with songs that I uploaded to iCloud that weren't matched with something in their catalog; and then, months later, for whatever reason, i can no longer play them. "no longer available'. Where the fuck did it go? Not sure if it's an icloud storage space issue where it purges files after a certain amount of time (I have a terrible feeling it did this with photos too, but I'm frankly too scared to actually investigate).

I have one artist that shows up twice in the Artists list. There is an extremely annoying-looking fix that involves adding an X to the end of every field that should be the same, then removing it ... it just seems there should be a script that does this automatically.

removing and adding files back usually fixes bugs like that for me.

Select everything by that artist (from both lists), right click, "Get Info", delete and retype the artist name in the proper field.

Or look at metadata for both lists... maybe one of the artist fields has a space at the end of it. I've had that issue.

Thanks both. The X thing was actually quite easy, just had to select all the tracks, changed the artist name to AutechreX, and then back to Autechre. Merged.

When you open the Get Info window, it grays out all the icons in the main window, so if you're wondering why you're not hearing audio and glance over to the AirPlay icon, iTunes might just be lying to you.

piece of shit

i'm givin it all i got, captain

f’in thing sucks

i'd still love a good alternative. Siegbran has talked about navidrome and Plexamp but neither one really did what I want which is basically just be a sturdy list of songs that allows me to search, create playlists and stream to my phone as long as my computer's on and running it

i’m cool with whatever iteration of music i have rn, except for the one time it deleted my entire library lol

(it wasn’t a permanent deletion, but i am still correcting album art and tagging errors from when i reconstructed my library … 1.5ish years ago)

oh, one forever beef: album artist tagging dividing an album into two albums sometimes has been a recurring issue in this fucking program since i was in college

i know how to fix it but it’s still incredibly stupid

iTunes is nearing its end, it’s already long gone on the Mac and the new Apple Music app is now downloadable as a beta on the Microsoft Store.

oh, one forever beef: album artist tagging dividing an album into two albums sometimes has been a recurring issue in this fucking program since i was in college

DIEMOTHERFUCKINGMusic Library.musiclibraryDIE..... it's bullshit how much is offloaded to this stupid file.

I don’t use “album artist” and just stick with “artist” field.

I've used itunes forever only as a way to organize mp3s on my computer, I haven't updated to a new version in years, hopefully I'm not going to run into issues if it goes away