Tango in the Night POLL (Fleetwood Mac)

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That second half, though! I read it was another Nicks scrap that Buck stapled. Beautiful.

I totally became a Mac-obsessed 11year old at this point, thanks to the Big Love video and some really exploitative documentary that was on UK TV around the release of Tango, with its tales of guitarists going mad and multiple touring Macs... Picked up a cheap copy of that 1980 live album shortly afterwards and was in deep

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:33 (one year ago) link

I've not spent a lot of time with the Tango extras, I should but I wasn't hugely enamoured the first time I streamed em. Yeah, obviously a lot of those Nicks tracks were glued together from scraps on the factory floor - really skewed my nascent sense of what a song could/should be at an early age tbh. Maybe in a good way.

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:34 (one year ago) link

I need to stream em again - I'm not home-schooling tomorrow so hopefully I'll get a chance then!

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:38 (one year ago) link

This was the other thing that ran on UK TV around this time and made me a pre-teen Mac devotee - absolute fire drama and intensity, Lindsey and Stevie look like they're spitting at each other during The Chain...

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:39 (one year ago) link

I've seen that Mirage tour doc, and, yeah, they're uh jacked up on something

Jacked up on love, my friend.

Also, metric tonnes of cocaine.

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 18:09 (one year ago) link

Good Bucky demo of "Big Love" here:


One thing I like about it is for a split second he doesn't have the right effect or mix or whatever enacted, but he quickly switches what needs to be switched.

There are lots of revelatory Bucky talks Bucky clips out there. Like this one:


Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 19:04 (one year ago) link

(Hilariously, he gets the time signature of his own virtuoso song wrong and has to be corrected!)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 19:07 (one year ago) link

holy shit that acoustic Big Love is WILD

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Monday, 25 January 2021 20:25 (one year ago) link

thrilled that that "big love" performance can still blow minds, as it did mine when i was 13 years old

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 25 January 2021 20:48 (one year ago) link

I still stan for the original too, which sounded nothing like what I heard on the radio in early '87. The dance remix w/the house piano break is hot:


Can someone mount a defense of “You and I Pt II”? I always kind of want this record to flicker out exhausted with “When I See You Again” - the closer feels tacked on and inappropriately jaunty to me, but I am no Mac expert so I am keen to know if it works in some way that I don’t understand.

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Monday, 25 January 2021 23:25 (one year ago) link

Listen to it this way, with both parts:


Yeah the jauntiness of the second half makes more sense when it emerges out of the first half.

On the album it feels like an endearing but only partly successful attempt to recreate "Never Forget".

Tim F, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 00:01 (one year ago) link

Ok I can totally see how the full version would work as a closer - but if I had to trim for time I would keep the first half for sure! I mean if they wanted a nothingy little ditty to finish the album on an up note that’d still work fine!

I am over invested apparently but for me this is a perfect sultry summer evening album and a masterpiece of mood and production as much as songwriting - but that last track always breaks the spell a little.

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 01:31 (one year ago) link

^agree with the last part. album is on a very short list of default throw-it-on-because-no-one-should-complain lists for me.

idk, that two-parter "You and I" sounds like a bad iteration of "No. 1 Song in Heaven." the two pieces don't fit right at the seams. that full version would've elevated the album, though.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 06:24 (one year ago) link

LOVING the two part You & I, tbh

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 10:13 (one year ago) link

Really digging into extras on the deluxe reissue and damn if there is some good stuff. I have to wonder if Buckingham was on some Prince kick with all of his vocal moves throughout the material.

The subtle changes in the alternate version of “Mystified” have me feeling like that was the kind of sound ABBA would have been putting out if they’d stayed together.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 28 January 2021 17:54 (one year ago) link

"Little Lies" is such a perfectly constructed song abetted by sympathetic production that I never tire of it. I often think Nicks' nasally TELL ME LIIIES chorus backup vocal is the shrewdest, most moving of her Mac tenure.

As with most things between these two, I feel Stevie’s line can’t really be divorced from Lindsey’s hyper multitracked and compressed “TELL ME/TELL ME LIES!”

Pretty sure huge hunks of the album were patched together with a Fairlight. I was blown away learning from the Replacements book that Jim Dickinson used a Fairlight to cobble together acceptable drum takes, and if even the Replacements were (unwittingly) using the Fairlight for that purpose there is no way that Bucky wasn't doing it the same way (and, coincidentally, the same year), especially given members of the Mac were as fucked up as the Mats (and Bucky, if he had his way, probably would have replaced them all with machines if he could have, anyway).

I think this is right. The template for this era is Lindsey’s Go Insane album, albeit with live instruments instead of simply stock library sounds.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:24 (one year ago) link

Agreed. The “Play in the Rain” section of the album especially popped into my head upon hearing the two parter version of “You and I”

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:58 (one year ago) link

Low quality bootleg camcorder recording of "Little Lies" from 1987. Sound quality dicey but comes off well

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:27 (one year ago) link

Better one from 90


if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:31 (one year ago) link

(tho obv no Lindsey on either)

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:35 (one year ago) link

Burnette/Vito sounds awful.

I want that Stevie cloak.

yeah they had big shoes to fill and they filled it with....oh u know

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:38 (one year ago) link

Reminds me that I've never checked out any footage from the Campbell/Finn tour. I'm really curious, because I can't imagine the addition of either of those guys ever making something worse.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:14 (one year ago) link

OK, here's a full show (Little Lies slotted second in the setlist!)


Sounds fine, the biggest problem is that neither Neil nor Mike sound much like Bucky.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:24 (one year ago) link

Admittedly, Nicks hasn't sounded much like herself for 35 years.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:31 (one year ago) link

I have my own biases/tastes, but I've seen Fleetwood Mac minus Christine and they sounded great. I've seen Christine and Bucky tour together without the others and their take on Mac stuff sounded great. I've seen Bucky tour with his own band and he sounded great, too, Mac stuff included. As if it hadn't been demonstrated by his absence before, clearly Bucky as constant is pretty key to the Mac sound from S/T on, either by force of will or force of musical imagination.

Of course, I've seen Stevie solo a couple of times, too, and she was pretty good as well, but she doesn't need to lean *too* hard on the Mac stuff, given all her hits. Bucky sort of comes at it from a different perspective, rewarding people with some Mac stuff for putting up with all of his non-hits. Which admittedly are often pretty great, but he knows they're not substitutes, just alternatives.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 January 2021 19:07 (one year ago) link

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