Tango in the Night POLL (Fleetwood Mac)

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i can't listen to 'family man' without thinking what it would be like if henry rollins was doing the backing vocal part

mage uluk (NickB), Monday, 25 January 2021 13:37 (nine months ago) link

family... MAN

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 13:37 (nine months ago) link

The production is the album, as in, insofar as songs exist as moods or humors Buckingham's mix bodies them.

The title track's as metal a moment as the Mac had achieved since I'm So Afraid off the 1980 Live album

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 13:45 (nine months ago) link

Buckingham's solo in "Isn't It Midnight" too.

Not Buckingham's playing, I just wonder to what extent the aesthetic was determined by having a drummer and lead singer/songwriter in sub-optimal shape. Mirage has a lot less of that sampled sound although the technology did exist and was certainly available to them.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 25 January 2021 14:02 (nine months ago) link

I meant, his playing wasn't deteriorating.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 25 January 2021 14:03 (nine months ago) link

I just wonder to what extent the aesthetic was determined by having a drummer and lead singer/songwriter in sub-optimal shape.

I don't believe in intentionality, but yes: the band's been clear about the shape they were in.

I think Lindsey's spoken about how Stevie's contribution were scraped together as a result of her issues at the time, but I'm not aware of Mick struggling with playing at the time. I mean, the production is very much in keeping with the era?

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 14:11 (nine months ago) link

xps

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 14:11 (nine months ago) link

the band's been clear about the shape they were in.

― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, January 25, 2021 7:11 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i actually disagree, having read a few different interviews with them about it; they tell more than few contradictory stories

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 25 January 2021 15:01 (nine months ago) link

At the same time the album is out of time: the programemd chimes and music box effects are novel.

regardless i have encountered no information that suggests mick fleetwood's playing was hampered at all xp

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 25 January 2021 15:02 (nine months ago) link

His playing and the drum machines are identifiable.

Pretty sure huge hunks of the album were patched together with a Fairlight. I was blown away learning from the Replacements book that Jim Dickinson used a Fairlight to cobble together acceptable drum takes, and if even the Replacements were (unwittingly) using the Fairlight for that purpose there is no way that Bucky wasn't doing it the same way (and, coincidentally, the same year), especially given members of the Mac were as fucked up as the Mats (and Bucky, if he had his way, probably would have replaced them all with machines if he could have, anyway).

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 16:00 (nine months ago) link

Maybe Mick was hampered because his drum vest hadn’t arrived by studio recording time.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 25 January 2021 17:05 (nine months ago) link

that buckingham solo video is insane

satanist of size (map), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:17 (nine months ago) link

i really hate "little lies" lol i grit my teeth thru it every time i listen to this album which otherwise consistently blows me away. it's one of those songs i really associate w/ being in the back of my mom's car in endless traffic jams trying to get home from school or baseball or something. how did it win this poll?

voting for "everywhere" would be cheating so i prob would've gone with "when i see you again" or "big love"

J0rdan S., Monday, 25 January 2021 17:21 (nine months ago) link

I can’t really imagine supporting one of the two Stevie non-singles.

Tim F, Monday, 25 January 2021 17:22 (nine months ago) link

"Little Lies" is such a perfectly constructed song abetted by sympathetic production that I never tire of it. I often think Nicks' nasally TELL ME LIIIES chorus backup vocal is the shrewdest, most moving of her Mac tenure.

vs

WASSA MADDA BABY....BABY...BAY-BEE....BABY!

― My life is butthurt so badly (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, September 5, 2009

God, I love "wassa madda baby"

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:29 (nine months ago) link

BABY

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:29 (nine months ago) link

BABY

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:29 (nine months ago) link

BABY

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:29 (nine months ago) link

ennyoooseeeeeiiiiwanyoooo rmphrumph

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:29 (nine months ago) link

That second half, though! I read it was another Nicks scrap that Buck stapled. Beautiful.

I totally became a Mac-obsessed 11year old at this point, thanks to the Big Love video and some really exploitative documentary that was on UK TV around the release of Tango, with its tales of guitarists going mad and multiple touring Macs... Picked up a cheap copy of that 1980 live album shortly afterwards and was in deep

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:33 (nine months ago) link

I've not spent a lot of time with the Tango extras, I should but I wasn't hugely enamoured the first time I streamed em. Yeah, obviously a lot of those Nicks tracks were glued together from scraps on the factory floor - really skewed my nascent sense of what a song could/should be at an early age tbh. Maybe in a good way.

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:34 (nine months ago) link

I need to stream em again - I'm not home-schooling tomorrow so hopefully I'll get a chance then!

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:38 (nine months ago) link

This was the other thing that ran on UK TV around this time and made me a pre-teen Mac devotee - absolute fire drama and intensity, Lindsey and Stevie look like they're spitting at each other during The Chain...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdolGLi0Ayg

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:39 (nine months ago) link

I've seen that Mirage tour doc, and, yeah, they're uh jacked up on something

Jacked up on love, my friend.

Also, metric tonnes of cocaine.

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 18:09 (nine months ago) link

Good Bucky demo of "Big Love" here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBSWt0b4K8E

One thing I like about it is for a split second he doesn't have the right effect or mix or whatever enacted, but he quickly switches what needs to be switched.

There are lots of revelatory Bucky talks Bucky clips out there. Like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCGKFY9NBZY

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 19:04 (nine months ago) link

(Hilariously, he gets the time signature of his own virtuoso song wrong and has to be corrected!)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 19:07 (nine months ago) link

holy shit that acoustic Big Love is WILD

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Monday, 25 January 2021 20:25 (nine months ago) link

thrilled that that "big love" performance can still blow minds, as it did mine when i was 13 years old

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 25 January 2021 20:48 (nine months ago) link

I still stan for the original too, which sounded nothing like what I heard on the radio in early '87. The dance remix w/the house piano break is hot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJh72NlHlmc

Can someone mount a defense of “You and I Pt II”? I always kind of want this record to flicker out exhausted with “When I See You Again” - the closer feels tacked on and inappropriately jaunty to me, but I am no Mac expert so I am keen to know if it works in some way that I don’t understand.

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Monday, 25 January 2021 23:25 (nine months ago) link

Listen to it this way, with both parts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3SOOUtnJWg

Yeah the jauntiness of the second half makes more sense when it emerges out of the first half.

On the album it feels like an endearing but only partly successful attempt to recreate "Never Forget".

Tim F, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 00:01 (nine months ago) link

Ok I can totally see how the full version would work as a closer - but if I had to trim for time I would keep the first half for sure! I mean if they wanted a nothingy little ditty to finish the album on an up note that’d still work fine!

I am over invested apparently but for me this is a perfect sultry summer evening album and a masterpiece of mood and production as much as songwriting - but that last track always breaks the spell a little.

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 01:31 (nine months ago) link

^agree with the last part. album is on a very short list of default throw-it-on-because-no-one-should-complain lists for me.

idk, that two-parter "You and I" sounds like a bad iteration of "No. 1 Song in Heaven." the two pieces don't fit right at the seams. that full version would've elevated the album, though.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 06:24 (nine months ago) link

LOVING the two part You & I, tbh

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 10:13 (nine months ago) link

Really digging into extras on the deluxe reissue and damn if there is some good stuff. I have to wonder if Buckingham was on some Prince kick with all of his vocal moves throughout the material.

The subtle changes in the alternate version of “Mystified” have me feeling like that was the kind of sound ABBA would have been putting out if they’d stayed together.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 28 January 2021 17:54 (eight months ago) link

"Little Lies" is such a perfectly constructed song abetted by sympathetic production that I never tire of it. I often think Nicks' nasally TELL ME LIIIES chorus backup vocal is the shrewdest, most moving of her Mac tenure.


As with most things between these two, I feel Stevie’s line can’t really be divorced from Lindsey’s hyper multitracked and compressed “TELL ME/TELL ME LIES!”

Pretty sure huge hunks of the album were patched together with a Fairlight. I was blown away learning from the Replacements book that Jim Dickinson used a Fairlight to cobble together acceptable drum takes, and if even the Replacements were (unwittingly) using the Fairlight for that purpose there is no way that Bucky wasn't doing it the same way (and, coincidentally, the same year), especially given members of the Mac were as fucked up as the Mats (and Bucky, if he had his way, probably would have replaced them all with machines if he could have, anyway).


I think this is right. The template for this era is Lindsey’s Go Insane album, albeit with live instruments instead of simply stock library sounds.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:24 (eight months ago) link

Agreed. The “Play in the Rain” section of the album especially popped into my head upon hearing the two parter version of “You and I”

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:58 (eight months ago) link

Low quality bootleg camcorder recording of "Little Lies" from 1987. Sound quality dicey but comes off well

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:27 (eight months ago) link


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