Enough With The Cutesy Titles, People Are Dead: US Politics January 2021 pt 2

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feel like the most likely trajectory at this point is big promises squandered as democrats self-own / appease their true masters and media finds ways to soft-pedal / blame republicans until everyone's tired again in 6 months and big win for republicans in 2022, another loop in downward spiral completed

satanist of size (map), Friday, 22 January 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link

that is the usual pattern but we are not in usual times

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 January 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link

Okay well I don't want to, you know, approve of too many things, but it's a real pleasure thus far to watch Jen Psaki work.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 23 January 2021 8:55 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

We get PBS newshour rebroadcast here on SBS and she was on yesterday and how nice it was to have someone from the white house both on PBS and having a civil discussion.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Friday, 22 January 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link

i guess we'll agonizingly proceed to find out if there is enough of people actually getting what they need to force us out of our death cult orbit. my guess right now is more than usual but not quite enough. xp

satanist of size (map), Friday, 22 January 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link

lol I assumed “Jen Psaki” referred to Joe Biden analogous to the Jzimmezky Craybin naming tradition on the UK politics threads

partyin' maskless with Rudy G. and Vanilla Ice, it's a gas gas gas (breastcrawl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 00:56 (three years ago) link

(please add your own comma)

partyin' maskless with Rudy G. and Vanilla Ice, it's a gas gas gas (breastcrawl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link

Well well well

SCOOP: The acting head of DOJ's civil division spoke with Trump about a plan to stop the steal; and then told Acting AG Rosen that he was gonna be replaced in order for the plan to be implemented. And then DOJ senior leaders said they would quit en massehttps://t.co/PYKdMoutm5

— Katie Benner (@ktbenner) January 23, 2021

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:32 (three years ago) link

Just coming here to post that, it's nuts.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:32 (three years ago) link

think those stories are gonna be rolling out over the next few months.

time to arrest motherfuckers

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link

file this under "things I am glad I didn't know at the time but glad I do know about now"

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link

JFC we are so lucky

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link

and yeah, arrest all these assholes

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:34 (three years ago) link

Drip, drip, drip

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:36 (three years ago) link

For those with no access:

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General
Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

Katie Benner
By Katie Benner
Jan. 22, 2021, 7:44 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Their informal pact ultimately helped persuade Mr. Trump to keep Mr. Rosen in place, calculating that a furor over mass resignations at the top of the Justice Department would eclipse any attention on his baseless accusations of voter fraud. Mr. Trump’s decision came only after Mr. Rosen and Mr. Clark made their competing cases to him in a bizarre White House meeting that two officials compared with an episode of Mr. Trump’s reality show “The Apprentice,” albeit one that could prompt a constitutional crisis.

The previously unknown chapter was the culmination of the president’s long-running effort to batter the Justice Department into advancing his personal agenda. He also pressed Mr. Rosen to appoint special counsels, including one who would look into Dominion Voting Systems, a maker of election equipment that Mr. Trump’s allies had falsely said was working with Venezuela to flip votes from Mr. Trump to Joseph R. Biden Jr.

This account of the department’s final days under Mr. Trump’s leadership is based on interviews with four former Trump administration officials who asked not to be named because of fear of retaliation.

Mr. Clark said that this account contained inaccuracies but did not specify, adding that he could not discuss any conversations with Mr. Trump or Justice Department lawyers. “Senior Justice Department lawyers, not uncommonly, provide legal advice to the White House as part of our duties,” he said. “All my official communications were consistent with law.”

Mr. Clark also noted that he was the lead signatory on a Justice Department request last month asking a federal judge to reject a lawsuit that sought to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the results of the election.

Mr. Trump declined to comment. An adviser said that Mr. Trump has consistently argued that the justice system should investigate “rampant election fraud that has plagued our system for years.”

The adviser added that “any assertion to the contrary is false and being driven by those who wish to keep the system broken.”

A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment, as did Mr. Rosen.

When Mr. Trump said on Dec. 14 that Attorney General William P. Barr was leaving the department, some officials thought that he might allow Mr. Rosen a short reprieve before pressing him about voter fraud. After all, Mr. Barr would be around for another week.

Instead, Mr. Trump summoned Mr. Rosen to the Oval Office the next day. He wanted the Justice Department to file legal briefs supporting his allies’ lawsuits seeking to overturn his election loss. And he urged Mr. Rosen to appoint special counsels to investigate not only unfounded accusations of widespread voter fraud, but also Dominion, the voting machines firm.

(Dominion has sued the pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, who inserted those accusations into four federal lawsuits about voter irregularities that were all dismissed.)

Mr. Rosen refused. He maintained that he would make decisions based on the facts and the law, and he reiterated what Mr. Barr had privately told Mr. Trump: The department had investigated voting irregularities and found no evidence of widespread fraud.

But Mr. Trump continued to press Mr. Rosen after the meeting — in phone calls and in person. He repeatedly said that he did not understand why the Justice Department had not found evidence that supported conspiracy theories about the election that some of his personal lawyers had espoused. He declared that the department was not fighting hard enough for him.

As Mr. Rosen and the deputy attorney general, Richard P. Donoghue, pushed back, they were unaware that Mr. Clark had been introduced to Mr. Trump by a Pennsylvania politician and had told the president that he agreed that fraud had affected the election results.

Mr. Trump quickly embraced Mr. Clark, who had been appointed the acting head of the civil division in September and was also the head of the department’s environmental and natural resources division.

As December wore on, Mr. Clark mentioned to Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue that he spent a lot of time reading on the internet — a comment that alarmed them because they inferred that he believed the unfounded conspiracy theory that Mr. Trump had won the election. Mr. Clark also told them that he wanted the department to hold a news conference announcing that it was investigating serious accusations of election fraud. Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue rejected the proposal.

As Mr. Trump focused increasingly on Georgia, a state he lost narrowly to Mr. Biden, he complained to Justice Department leaders that the U.S. attorney in Atlanta, Byung J. Pak, was not trying to find evidence for false election claims pushed by Mr. Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani and others. Mr. Donoghue warned Mr. Pak that the president was now fixated on his office, and that it might not be tenable for him to continue to lead it, according to two people familiar with the conversation.

That conversation and Mr. Trump’s efforts to pressure Georgia’s Republican secretary of state to “find” him votes compelled Mr. Pak to abruptly resign this month.

Mr. Clark was also focused on Georgia. He drafted a letter that he wanted Mr. Rosen to send to Georgia state legislators that wrongly said that the Justice Department was investigating accusations of voter fraud in their state, and that they should move to void Mr. Biden’s win there.

Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue again rejected Mr. Clark’s proposal.

On New Year’s Eve, the trio met to discuss Mr. Clark’s refusal to hew to the department’s conclusion that the election results were valid. Mr. Donoghue flatly told Mr. Clark that what he was doing was wrong. The next day, Mr. Clark told Mr. Rosen — who had mentored him while they worked together at the law firm Kirkland & Ellis — that he was going to discuss his strategy to the president early the next week, just before Congress was set to certify Mr. Biden’s electoral victory.

Unbeknown to the acting attorney general, Mr. Clark’s timeline moved up. He met with Mr. Trump over the weekend, then informed Mr. Rosen midday on Sunday that the president intended to replace him with Mr. Clark, who could then try to stop Congress from certifying the Electoral College results. He said that Mr. Rosen could stay on as his deputy attorney general, leaving Mr. Rosen speechless.

Unwilling to step down without a fight, Mr. Rosen said that he needed to hear straight from Mr. Trump and worked with the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, to convene a meeting for early that evening.

Even as Mr. Clark’s pronouncement was sinking in, stunning news broke out of Georgia: State officials had recorded an hourlong call, published by The Washington Post, during which Mr. Trump pressured them to manufacture enough votes to declare him the victor. As the fallout from the recording ricocheted through Washington, the president’s desperate bid to change the outcome in Georgia came into sharp focus.

Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue pressed ahead, informing Steven Engel, the head of the Justice Department’s office of legal counsel, about Mr. Clark’s latest maneuver. Mr. Donoghue convened a late-afternoon call with the department’s remaining senior leaders, laying out Mr. Clark’s efforts to replace Mr. Rosen.

Mr. Rosen planned to soon head to the White House to discuss his fate, Mr. Donoghue told the group. Should Mr. Rosen be fired, they all agreed to resign en masse. For some, the plan brought to mind the so-called Saturday Night Massacre of the Nixon era, where Attorney General Elliot L. Richardson and his deputy resigned rather than carry out the president’s order to fire the special prosecutor investigating him.

The Clark plan, the officials concluded, would seriously harm the department, the government and the rule of law. For hours, they anxiously messaged and called one another as they awaited Mr. Rosen’s fate.

Around 6 p.m., Mr. Rosen, Mr. Donoghue and Mr. Clark met at the White House with Mr. Trump, Mr. Cipollone, his deputy Patrick Philbin and other lawyers. Mr. Trump had Mr. Rosen and Mr. Clark present their arguments to him.

Mr. Cipollone advised the president not to fire Mr. Rosen and he reiterated, as he had for days, that he did not recommend sending the letter to Georgia lawmakers. Mr. Engel advised Mr. Trump that he and the department’s remaining top officials would resign if he fired Mr. Rosen, leaving Mr. Clark alone at the department.

Mr. Trump seemed somewhat swayed by the idea that firing Mr. Rosen would trigger not only chaos at the Justice Department, but also congressional investigations and possibly recriminations from other Republicans and distract attention from his efforts to overturn the election results.

After nearly three hours, Mr. Trump ultimately decided that Mr. Clark’s plan would fail, and he allowed Mr. Rosen to stay.

Mr. Rosen and his deputies concluded they had weathered the turmoil. Once Congress certified Mr. Biden’s victory, there would be little for them to do until they left along with Mr. Trump in two weeks.

They began to exhale days later as the Electoral College certification at the Capitol got underway. And then they received word: The building had been breached.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:37 (three years ago) link

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Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:43 (three years ago) link

is it too late to amend the impeachment articles just a bit

Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:51 (three years ago) link

You can always add more.

IIRC didn't they tack on something about Georgia at the end there? Could be an opening.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:54 (three years ago) link

impeach all Republican politicians nationwide

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:55 (three years ago) link

iirc, all the state-level republican secretaries of state and elections officials resisted Trump's spurious claims of fraud, even though a ton of republican state legislators jumped on the let's-crush-democracy train.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:00 (three years ago) link

Sharing less for the Hill's broad definition of plummet, and for the optical illusion of Hawley's bitchin' ponytail

Poll: Hawley, Cruz see approval ratings plummet in wake of Capitol riot https://t.co/oUUbhIZ7JK pic.twitter.com/KoLd6LpWCJ

— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2021

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:42 (three years ago) link

i said to Mr Veg on inauguration eve that DJT’s view of the presidency was basically the same as a 5 year old being Boss of The Playground on their birthday. Cannot be overstated how much he ~did not care~ about what “should” be done in the role. the presidency to him
was 100% a “do what I say” card and the stories are going to bear that out in soooooo much detail

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:46 (three years ago) link

he is like Bane in Dark Knight Rises except if he had muscular atrophy

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:47 (three years ago) link

Thanks for the cut/paste JIC

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:52 (three years ago) link

Lol, VG

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:54 (three years ago) link

VG otm. Didn't know, didn't care.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:55 (three years ago) link

"Trump follows the Constitution"

"what's his favorite part?"

"uhh....Chapter 3?"

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 03:01 (three years ago) link

When Mr. Trump said on Dec. 14 that Attorney General William P. Barr was leaving the department, some officials thought that he might allow Mr. Rosen a short reprieve before pressing him about voter fraud. After all, Mr. Barr would be around for another week.

Instead, Mr. Trump summoned Mr. Rosen to the Oval Office the next day. He wanted the Justice Department to file legal briefs supporting his allies’ lawsuits seeking to overturn his election loss. And he urged Mr. Rosen to appoint special counsels to investigate not only unfounded accusations of widespread voter fraud, but also Dominion, the voting machines firm.

the next fucking day. jeeeeezus

Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 January 2021 03:49 (three years ago) link

Some of this hit HAS to be jailable, right?

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:32 (three years ago) link

Whoops!

WaPo has updated its story to include a somewhat cryptic written statement from Clark, in which he confirms “there was a candid discussion of options and pros and cons with the President.”

Clark dubiously asserts that conversation is privileged. h/t @JanNWolfe pic.twitter.com/cHaPFZ7U4c

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 23, 2021

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:37 (three years ago) link

The word "options" = falling on a sword

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:43 (three years ago) link

is it bad that i want Cippollone to write a tell-all

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:51 (three years ago) link

Cannot be overstated how much he ~did not care~ about what “should” be done in the role. the presidency to him
was 100% a “do what I say” card

This also applies to his real estate developments, to his casinos, to his footbal league, to his universities, to his charities, to his taxes, to his approach to sexual consent...

shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:53 (three years ago) link

Of course, everyone who constantly created and shared these memes will buy a sweatshirt as part of this charity effort, right?

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/bernie-sanders-meme-inauguration-sweatshirt-charity-1117854/?fbclid=IwAR2CKj82ebBIUSS3z8Z9zGaqjMSYXLIBBGOlf3y_EQV7KSlsE9OqshcdHxg

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 23 January 2021 05:02 (three years ago) link

subject matter waiver and how you do it

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Saturday, 23 January 2021 05:09 (three years ago) link

if you want a couple of thousand words of schoolhouse rock content on how executive orders work in the specific context of environmental regulation, this is a good piece https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/a-look-at-all-of-bidens-changes-to-energy-and-environmental-regulations/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 23 January 2021 05:34 (three years ago) link

somehow a thousand words and rolling stone don't quite go well together

but seriously, i was wondering, do people really consider previous thread titles to be cutesy?

Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:03 (three years ago) link

banana fana fo bclid=IwAR2CKj82ebBIUSS3z8Z9zGaqjMSYXLIBBGOlf3y_EQV7KSlsE9OqshcdHxg

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:16 (three years ago) link

Haha https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/biden-executive-orders-trump.html



One former senior Trump aide, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear or retaliation, agreed. “Very little of what Trump did was done to ensure permanence. At the pace Biden is moving, everything Trump did will be gone by the time the sun rises on Monday — except his judicial appointments.”

While Mr. Trump lorded over Twitter, important lessons for him lurked, unwatched, on YouTube.

In a remarkable interview 10 days before his death in 1973, Lyndon B. Johnson, the most skilled legislator-president in the country’s recent history, explained why he had resisted the temptation to ram through landmark civil rights reforms by using executive orders.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:23 (three years ago) link

didn't Trump already have aides leaking negative shit to the press like, in Week 1?

another enjoyable diff with Biden admin (or literally every other admin)

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:25 (three years ago) link

Punster the thread title comment about cutesy has more to do with the flurry of puns that were sparked when it was announced this month had a part 2 coming. Which is a precedent caused by the events of Jan 6th causing much debate when there was also going to be an inauguration and new incumbency later. So this would be a very full thread if kept as 1 part.

Stevolende, Saturday, 23 January 2021 07:27 (three years ago) link

So weird to me that politicians have merch. Not campaign merch, just merch-merch.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 14:07 (three years ago) link

They literally only hold their jobs as a result of regularly scheduled popularity contests.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 23 January 2021 14:10 (three years ago) link

It's ok to pirate their podcasts, they make all their money off merch and touring

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 14:15 (three years ago) link

Blimey, this thread having a day off?

Mark G, Sunday, 24 January 2021 09:59 (three years ago) link

May need to get used to things like taht, head of state not going out of his way to embarass himself several timesa day and the ex having no media access.
May have to go cold turkey on teh trepidation of the other boot dropping for a while. YOu could always read back through the monthly threqads for the last 4 years if you are too addicted.,

On the other hand McConnell is going to be a pain wherever he can and Biden is goingto be struggling with trying to do all the good he can but not having a significant majority.

Ha funny that, didn't think the speed of additions to the thread was going to tail off after about the 20th since nothing untoward regularly happening. So the idea that there would be bound to be need for a 2nd or 3rd thread for teh month may have been based on a habit taht was just breaking.

Stevolende, Sunday, 24 January 2021 10:15 (three years ago) link

The monthly thread may have to be ditched at this rate :-O

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 January 2021 10:42 (three years ago) link

Good

Qanondorf (darraghmac), Sunday, 24 January 2021 10:45 (three years ago) link

I noted it last night and was...quite surprised and pleased

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Sunday, 24 January 2021 12:29 (three years ago) link


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