late lol at that aunt twitter
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 January 2021 20:36 (three years ago) link
Good one
― calstars, Friday, 22 January 2021 20:41 (three years ago) link
Just to clarify, I lifted that from somewhere else...Thanks for pointing out the Aunt's POV tweet--that is pretty great.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
"Once again, I am asking you to come and play with us, Danny."
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 22 January 2021 22:29 (three years ago) link
re-read the novel & i just need to dump this out of my head because i am working through some shit lol I think the disconnect btw Novel Jack vs Movie Jack needs to be expressed like, um… it’s not that movie jack is bad & novel jack is goodthere’s more nuance & subtlety carried in the book, and i think ultimately, as w most SK books to movies, what is lost is the internal strugglesof the characters because that’s where all his best writing really lives imoand it is not something easily shown onscreen & kubrick is not one for that stuff anywaythe thing is novel jack *knows* deep down that he is incapable of not fucking up, and wants to earn himself a reprieve from fucking up by putting himself somewhere where he hopefully can’t. Removing all stimuli, etc.And naively/selfishly thinking that by doing that, his family will be ok by extension. it’s all addict-driven thought, clean slates, etc.like if i do THIS perfectly then everything will be fine, but the pressure to do everything right is what makes it so much harder because you are starting with a flawed premise that you are even emotionally able to achieve such a high bar … so it becomes self-fulfilling addict-brain self-sabotage. anyway. what the movie takes away is the really slow, scary way that the hotel is trying to tune jack into selfdestruct, tuning him into the self isolating hunted addict mind where everyone is against him, where alcohol makes him the better version of himself, where he is finally surrounded by people and parties and not left to his thoughts & doubts & fears of being a bad father, bad writer, bad person, alcoholic etcthe way the book slowly dials him in to the poison brain is so well done, like it starts SO early and you don’t always catch that that’s whats happening to him. and it’s truly, genuinely heartbreaking towards the end, like watching someone slowly turning inside out, the moment where the hotel wins its fight with him when he is rationalizing his father’s abuse of his mother when we’ve already walked through the horror that he witnessed. like, oh. ok he’s gone. and worse … when Danny sees his dad and the dread he experiences when he realizes the dad he loves is no longer there…. that emotional journey is the whole point of the book, i think. not jusr the journey of the addict, but the moment for the child of the addict when a parent is replaced by a monster, and the real loss that is felt when they realize what is happening. jack is abusive to danny throughout the book yes but it co-exists in a real way with a tender relationship & genuine sweet moments of parenting, and without any of that tenderness, with Jack as just a jerk all the time like he is in the movie, there’s nothing for danny to lose, and there’s no real tragedy in jack giving himself over completely to the hotel’s malevolent pull/ addiction. thank you for attending my TED talk
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 07:19 (two years ago) link
The directors cut of Doctor Sleep is v good, because they chapterize it, so it’s like watching a 6-ep HBO miniseries
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 21 August 2021 07:29 (two years ago) link
Also, yeah, rewatching the film and re-reading the book last month does kinda justify SK’s position to me of why he didn’t like the adaption.
Tho I don’t know if this justifies the 1997 tv miniseries, which you can watch in full on Archive.org (with commercial breaks!). That one is more hilariously dated than anything just by showing Tony in a VERY 1997 outfit, glasses, and hairstyle.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 21 August 2021 07:33 (two years ago) link
VG your fandom posts are always such a treat, brings me into the joy you feel and lets me love it too. Don't ever stop!
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 21 August 2021 10:35 (two years ago) link
OTM, don’t stop ever
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 21 August 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link
thx u guys :)rereading it, i definitely was struck by how much of this story was SO personal for SK, wrestling w fatherhood, alcoholism, etc which def explains why he was always so outspoken about the Kubrick movie i love the Kubrick movie too though! but i do find the Shelley Duvall stuff hard to watch, especially at the end.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 15:49 (two years ago) link
When you were reading the book, were you picturing the characters as Nicholson, Duvall etc?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 21 August 2021 16:03 (two years ago) link
Novel Jack felt more Michael Keaton to me, you need someone who can do the genuine tender moments but look like theyre maybe holding a tiny crazy thought in their head at the same time Wendy i pictured her more like a blonde Julianne nicholson.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
its hard to picture Nicholson as jack in the early chapters, but later when he starts to really go to crazytown you can def see where the casting came from, even the lines sound like him
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link
Oh man I'd love to see early 80s Keaton in that part
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 21 August 2021 16:15 (two years ago) link
right? i think he would have been perfect
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 16:19 (two years ago) link
iirc king was angry about the nicholson casting as it made the transition from all work to no play sorta meaningless; you knew he was apeshit immediately
― think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 21 August 2021 16:32 (two years ago) link
yeah exactly
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 16:36 (two years ago) link
Yeah I think that’s one criticism where you can really see where he’s coming fromI’m not at all a stan of the film but in general tho I think the changes are improvements, or at least make for a better movie - hedge maze better than topiary, ending way better (lol I think it’s in danse macabre where king is like “I had a cool explosion at the end but in the film he just freezes to death, how lame is that” which is like ok sure Steve), axe probably a bit better than roque mallet but they’re about the same really (but I do like to think Reiner was trolling king’s whininess years later when king actually did write a scary axe attack and Reiner changed it… to a mallet)& just the weird little touches like the different names for Grady give it such this uncanny vibe That 90s version is truly fucking dogshit, maybe king’s worst screenplay which is saying something, if he & garris were trying to make a case for a faithful adaptation… case dismissed
― Woolf & Stein 3d (wins), Saturday, 21 August 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
king was angry about the nicholson casting as it made the transition from all work to no play sorta meaningless
this must be why they want hard in the other direction for the TV miniseries by casting the funny guy from Wings
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 21 August 2021 17:36 (two years ago) link
it was supposed to be Tim Daly but he couldn’t do it so he suggested Weber
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 17:43 (two years ago) link
Good post, VG. I always ranked The Shining as my favorite King novel and so much of my appreciation of it stemmed from how richly drawn and heartbreaking Jack’s journey is.Movie rules too, it’s just a different thing entirely. And as stated, I always kinda got why King didn’t like it. All that shading (and a lot of it possibly personal for King) almost entirely excised.
― circa1916, Saturday, 21 August 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/JKv1jF9.png*vomits*
― ncxkd, Saturday, 21 August 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link
One of the worst movie posters of all time
― ncxkd, Saturday, 21 August 2021 20:22 (two years ago) link
What a rich film and story…and this is what they go with. I guess the 2001 baby connection is a thing? W/e
― ncxkd, Saturday, 21 August 2021 20:23 (two years ago) link
you're crazy, that poster is great.
I love both the novel (for many of the reasons that VG elucidated above) and the film, but that's because the novel showcases King's strengths and the film showcases Kubrick's. Obvious, yes, but that's what it is.
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Saturday, 21 August 2021 21:00 (two years ago) link
http://polishpostershop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/z/e/zebrowski-poster02861.jpg
― think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 21 August 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link
jesus
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 21:32 (two years ago) link
also i think i realized the guy getting blown by the man in the bear suit is maybe supposed to be Horace Derwent & the bear suit guy is the dog suit guy from the book? is how i break it down to an extent
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link
You have to assume (another good adaptation if so)
― Woolf & Stein 3d (wins), Saturday, 21 August 2021 21:41 (two years ago) link
also i fucking love the scrapbook device in the novel as a way of exploring the hotel’s backstory, & the means by which the hotel entity really can get its hooks into him
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 August 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/9fnTPaE.jpg
― calstars, Sunday, 21 November 2021 19:03 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/TE3pExD.jpg
― calstars, Saturday, 18 June 2022 18:33 (one year ago) link
I thought Alex Garland's Men had a Shining feel to it at times.
― clemenza, Saturday, 18 June 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link
Jesus, just when I thought the Rough Trade compendium (which I got for Xmas and love) would be the last word on spendy, over-reaching art books exploring this movie, along comes Taschen with a $1,500 three-volume slab:
https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/film/all/66983/facts.stanley_kubricks_the_shining.htm
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 January 2023 17:41 (one year ago) link
Yeah. Fuck off with that, Taschen.
― circa1916, Sunday, 1 January 2023 17:54 (one year ago) link
A book shouldn't cost more than a couch, really
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 January 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
A coffee table book shouldn't cost a month's rent, people will buy it though.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 1 January 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
It's plausible that they release a regular-edition that's only the cost of two bottles of Dom, as they did with the Tati set
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 January 2023 18:21 (one year ago) link
Da fuq Will torrent the shit out of that
― calstars, Sunday, 1 January 2023 18:57 (one year ago) link
I guess I can get behind Taschen fleecing moneyed dorks and douchebags to fund their high quality/low cost line, but yeah, hope some reasonable soul PDF’s it.Also I love The Shining, but the kinda white glove treatment it’s gotten in recent years is still somewhat lol to me.
― circa1916, Sunday, 1 January 2023 19:05 (one year ago) link
same tbh. it's a good film! why it's everybody's accessible HIGH CINEMA puzzlebox seems more a function of nostalgia than anything else.
this comes with a "box of ephemera" at least, which is difficult to torrent.
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 January 2023 07:18 (one year ago) link
The bar for high cinema ain't too high of late (not a dig at The Shining; very much a dig at low cinema c. 2023)
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 2 January 2023 11:17 (one year ago) link
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/stanley-kubrick-shining-taschen-book-lee-unkrich-1235556874/
― a hallan shaker loon (dowd), Thursday, 23 March 2023 09:13 (one year ago) link
Only $1500
― calstars, Thursday, 23 March 2023 11:23 (one year ago) link
Saw some other article that confirmed there will be a cheap version produced sometime in the future. Because what my bookshelf needs is a fifth book devoted to the film.
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 March 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link
(And no versions of the novel.)
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 March 2023 13:47 (one year ago) link
any chapters about the phooey moon landing conspiracy I wonder - the truth is out there
― | (Latham Green), Thursday, 23 March 2023 15:59 (one year ago) link
Pretty cool and fairly persuasive thread here
[Thread] I’ve noticed something odd happening in Stanley Kubrick’s The Shining. True, there’s plenty of odd things going on in The Shining, but this is really weird.🧵 1/50 pic.twitter.com/TWcgiDruaP— Filippo Ulivieri (@nessuno2001) May 31, 2023
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 1 June 2023 13:37 (ten months ago) link
1/50
I can't
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 June 2023 13:57 (ten months ago) link
lol I know but you kind of have to see all the instances of the thing he's talking about to think it's more than a couple of odd moments.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 1 June 2023 14:29 (ten months ago) link