Enough With The Cutesy Titles, People Are Dead: US Politics January 2021 pt 2

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The Cheney thing, not the Breunig thing

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link

Senior Democratic lawmakers are moving to fulfill President Biden’s desire to expand the child tax credit by drafting legislation that would direct the Internal Revenue Service to send recurring monthly payments to tens of millions of American families, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share knowledge of the internal discussion.

Under one draft of the plan being discussed, the IRS would be tasked with depositing checks worth $300 every month per child younger than 6, as well as $250 every month per child aged 6 to 17. That would amount to $3,600 over the course of the year for young children, as well as $3,000 a year for older children, the officials said.

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The benefit could prove costly, increasing the federal deficit by as much as $120 billion for one year, according to estimates by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan group. But it could curb child poverty in the U.S. by more than 50 percent, researchers at Columbia University have found.

hmm. tough choice.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link

Then people will just have more kids to get more money, right?

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 22 January 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link

spencer cox, the new governor of utah, said biden's inaugural speech was "incredible" and then compared him to reagan, lol. i believe he also wants to fund public schools (gasp!). meanwhile billboards are encouraging commuters to spend money they don't have on skiing. probably following romney's lead, republicans in utah, the reddest of red states, seem unmoored. like.. you could just.. i don't know.. switch parties? christ. but they'd rather form a more purely eagle scout yahoo party than touch "socialism" with a ten foot pole. things aren't changing here so much as stuck in a republican era of the past. we need reeducation camps. $300 per kid per month would also do. - your dispatch from the boondocks

satanist of size (map), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link

Liz Cheney, welcome to The Resistance

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link

If the filibuster falls and the democrats go all out on an agenda that is weighted heavily toward economic justice, where the very popular center of US politics is, the republican party won't have to splinter in order to falter badly and be kicked to the curb. If the democrats permit the republicans to keep politics muddied, slow and ineffective, the nation and the world are screwed for decades to come. It is time to push all the chips into the pot.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link

That's how I break it down.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:31 (three years ago) link

now they make both bourbon and hand sanitizer, too, so there are options.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, January 22, 2021 1:41 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

how's the bourbon sanitizer

yardsign updates:

Kenosha County, Wisconsin. pic.twitter.com/dlr5YBaa86

— Rick Perlstein (@rickperlstein) January 22, 2021

Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link

god I would love to drive there and put up a "No problem! You're welcome!" sign right behind it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:47 (three years ago) link

that's not a real haiku

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 22 January 2021 19:47 (three years ago) link

me too, and that's why i envision dems losing every. fucking. chip. xp

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link

Shame-staining is my kink tbrr

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link

Can’t wait for the worst /r/childfree people in the world to whine “what about me?!!!!” on the proposed child payments.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link

as a child-free person, pay the fuckin' parents!

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link

Cosign.

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link

yerp

Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link

whole reason I stayed child free was so I wouldn't need as much money to live, lol

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link

Doesn't that sign person know it's spelled Demonrats

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 22 January 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link

I should be getting paid to not reproduce tbqh

Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link

r ya gonna hold the government hostage if not?

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link

1/2 toward paying off debt, 1/2 toward malort and donkey sauce cocktails

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crĂĽt), Friday, 22 January 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link

I wouldn't know how xp

Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 22 January 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link

i know i'm just speaking for my weird little shithole but if utah people got 300 per kid per month for a few years, utah culture would start to change big-time for the better. these people are going to breed like rabbits anyway, you might as well give them an independent means so they don't have to rely on living in lockstep with the head fascists in order to survive imo. would be a good way to put a damper on mlm schemes.

satanist of size (map), Friday, 22 January 2021 20:03 (three years ago) link

how's the bourbon sanitizer

Beats Dry-anuary.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 January 2021 20:04 (three years ago) link

universally giving people money is a good way to loosen local tribal strangleholds / hierarchies of exploitation

satanist of size (map), Friday, 22 January 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link

I'm OK with parents getting the money provided they have to sign something saying they won't talk to me about their dumb weiner kids for one full year.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 22 January 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link

lmao hard agree

satanist of size (map), Friday, 22 January 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link

Re: that sign, I almost went up to Kenosha this week to buy beer, but then I was all ... nah, I don't want to deal with the weird vibes.

That sign, btw, looks like the awkward punchline to a Mad magazine fold-in.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 January 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link

About time

NEW: California Attorney General Xavier Becerra announces a civil rights investigation of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department

— Andrew Blankstein (@anblanx) January 22, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 January 2021 20:27 (three years ago) link

that's great news, hoping it goes somewhere

Ăśberschadenfreude (sleeve), Friday, 22 January 2021 20:28 (three years ago) link

child benefit comes to the US?!

$120b would have accounted for... 1.83% of federal spending in 2020. a lot, but interest rates are zero and that money will go right back into the economy. it’s obviously worth it.

long-term it’ll be interesting to see how hard it is to reel all the way back in.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 January 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link

hopefully very hard and they keep giving us money

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 January 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link

Okay well I don't want to, you know, approve of too many things, but it's a real pleasure thus far to watch Jen Psaki work.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 22 January 2021 21:55 (three years ago) link

they have to pass this shit first.
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satanist of size (map), Friday, 22 January 2021 21:56 (three years ago) link

feel like the most likely trajectory at this point is big promises squandered as democrats self-own / appease their true masters and media finds ways to soft-pedal / blame republicans until everyone's tired again in 6 months and big win for republicans in 2022, another loop in downward spiral completed

satanist of size (map), Friday, 22 January 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link

that is the usual pattern but we are not in usual times

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 January 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link

Okay well I don't want to, you know, approve of too many things, but it's a real pleasure thus far to watch Jen Psaki work.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 23 January 2021 8:55 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

We get PBS newshour rebroadcast here on SBS and she was on yesterday and how nice it was to have someone from the white house both on PBS and having a civil discussion.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Friday, 22 January 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link

i guess we'll agonizingly proceed to find out if there is enough of people actually getting what they need to force us out of our death cult orbit. my guess right now is more than usual but not quite enough. xp

satanist of size (map), Friday, 22 January 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link

lol I assumed “Jen Psaki” referred to Joe Biden analogous to the Jzimmezky Craybin naming tradition on the UK politics threads

partyin' maskless with Rudy G. and Vanilla Ice, it's a gas gas gas (breastcrawl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 00:56 (three years ago) link

(please add your own comma)

partyin' maskless with Rudy G. and Vanilla Ice, it's a gas gas gas (breastcrawl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link

Well well well

SCOOP: The acting head of DOJ's civil division spoke with Trump about a plan to stop the steal; and then told Acting AG Rosen that he was gonna be replaced in order for the plan to be implemented. And then DOJ senior leaders said they would quit en massehttps://t.co/PYKdMoutm5

— Katie Benner (@ktbenner) January 23, 2021

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:32 (three years ago) link

Just coming here to post that, it's nuts.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:32 (three years ago) link

think those stories are gonna be rolling out over the next few months.

time to arrest motherfuckers

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link

file this under "things I am glad I didn't know at the time but glad I do know about now"

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link

JFC we are so lucky

Ăśberschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link

and yeah, arrest all these assholes

Ăśberschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:34 (three years ago) link

Drip, drip, drip

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:36 (three years ago) link

For those with no access:

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General
Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

Katie Benner
By Katie Benner
Jan. 22, 2021, 7:44 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Their informal pact ultimately helped persuade Mr. Trump to keep Mr. Rosen in place, calculating that a furor over mass resignations at the top of the Justice Department would eclipse any attention on his baseless accusations of voter fraud. Mr. Trump’s decision came only after Mr. Rosen and Mr. Clark made their competing cases to him in a bizarre White House meeting that two officials compared with an episode of Mr. Trump’s reality show “The Apprentice,” albeit one that could prompt a constitutional crisis.

The previously unknown chapter was the culmination of the president’s long-running effort to batter the Justice Department into advancing his personal agenda. He also pressed Mr. Rosen to appoint special counsels, including one who would look into Dominion Voting Systems, a maker of election equipment that Mr. Trump’s allies had falsely said was working with Venezuela to flip votes from Mr. Trump to Joseph R. Biden Jr.

This account of the department’s final days under Mr. Trump’s leadership is based on interviews with four former Trump administration officials who asked not to be named because of fear of retaliation.

Mr. Clark said that this account contained inaccuracies but did not specify, adding that he could not discuss any conversations with Mr. Trump or Justice Department lawyers. “Senior Justice Department lawyers, not uncommonly, provide legal advice to the White House as part of our duties,” he said. “All my official communications were consistent with law.”

Mr. Clark also noted that he was the lead signatory on a Justice Department request last month asking a federal judge to reject a lawsuit that sought to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the results of the election.

Mr. Trump declined to comment. An adviser said that Mr. Trump has consistently argued that the justice system should investigate “rampant election fraud that has plagued our system for years.”

The adviser added that “any assertion to the contrary is false and being driven by those who wish to keep the system broken.”

A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment, as did Mr. Rosen.

When Mr. Trump said on Dec. 14 that Attorney General William P. Barr was leaving the department, some officials thought that he might allow Mr. Rosen a short reprieve before pressing him about voter fraud. After all, Mr. Barr would be around for another week.

Instead, Mr. Trump summoned Mr. Rosen to the Oval Office the next day. He wanted the Justice Department to file legal briefs supporting his allies’ lawsuits seeking to overturn his election loss. And he urged Mr. Rosen to appoint special counsels to investigate not only unfounded accusations of widespread voter fraud, but also Dominion, the voting machines firm.

(Dominion has sued the pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, who inserted those accusations into four federal lawsuits about voter irregularities that were all dismissed.)

Mr. Rosen refused. He maintained that he would make decisions based on the facts and the law, and he reiterated what Mr. Barr had privately told Mr. Trump: The department had investigated voting irregularities and found no evidence of widespread fraud.

But Mr. Trump continued to press Mr. Rosen after the meeting — in phone calls and in person. He repeatedly said that he did not understand why the Justice Department had not found evidence that supported conspiracy theories about the election that some of his personal lawyers had espoused. He declared that the department was not fighting hard enough for him.

As Mr. Rosen and the deputy attorney general, Richard P. Donoghue, pushed back, they were unaware that Mr. Clark had been introduced to Mr. Trump by a Pennsylvania politician and had told the president that he agreed that fraud had affected the election results.

Mr. Trump quickly embraced Mr. Clark, who had been appointed the acting head of the civil division in September and was also the head of the department’s environmental and natural resources division.

As December wore on, Mr. Clark mentioned to Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue that he spent a lot of time reading on the internet — a comment that alarmed them because they inferred that he believed the unfounded conspiracy theory that Mr. Trump had won the election. Mr. Clark also told them that he wanted the department to hold a news conference announcing that it was investigating serious accusations of election fraud. Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue rejected the proposal.

As Mr. Trump focused increasingly on Georgia, a state he lost narrowly to Mr. Biden, he complained to Justice Department leaders that the U.S. attorney in Atlanta, Byung J. Pak, was not trying to find evidence for false election claims pushed by Mr. Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani and others. Mr. Donoghue warned Mr. Pak that the president was now fixated on his office, and that it might not be tenable for him to continue to lead it, according to two people familiar with the conversation.

That conversation and Mr. Trump’s efforts to pressure Georgia’s Republican secretary of state to “find” him votes compelled Mr. Pak to abruptly resign this month.

Mr. Clark was also focused on Georgia. He drafted a letter that he wanted Mr. Rosen to send to Georgia state legislators that wrongly said that the Justice Department was investigating accusations of voter fraud in their state, and that they should move to void Mr. Biden’s win there.

Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue again rejected Mr. Clark’s proposal.

On New Year’s Eve, the trio met to discuss Mr. Clark’s refusal to hew to the department’s conclusion that the election results were valid. Mr. Donoghue flatly told Mr. Clark that what he was doing was wrong. The next day, Mr. Clark told Mr. Rosen — who had mentored him while they worked together at the law firm Kirkland & Ellis — that he was going to discuss his strategy to the president early the next week, just before Congress was set to certify Mr. Biden’s electoral victory.

Unbeknown to the acting attorney general, Mr. Clark’s timeline moved up. He met with Mr. Trump over the weekend, then informed Mr. Rosen midday on Sunday that the president intended to replace him with Mr. Clark, who could then try to stop Congress from certifying the Electoral College results. He said that Mr. Rosen could stay on as his deputy attorney general, leaving Mr. Rosen speechless.

Unwilling to step down without a fight, Mr. Rosen said that he needed to hear straight from Mr. Trump and worked with the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, to convene a meeting for early that evening.

Even as Mr. Clark’s pronouncement was sinking in, stunning news broke out of Georgia: State officials had recorded an hourlong call, published by The Washington Post, during which Mr. Trump pressured them to manufacture enough votes to declare him the victor. As the fallout from the recording ricocheted through Washington, the president’s desperate bid to change the outcome in Georgia came into sharp focus.

Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue pressed ahead, informing Steven Engel, the head of the Justice Department’s office of legal counsel, about Mr. Clark’s latest maneuver. Mr. Donoghue convened a late-afternoon call with the department’s remaining senior leaders, laying out Mr. Clark’s efforts to replace Mr. Rosen.

Mr. Rosen planned to soon head to the White House to discuss his fate, Mr. Donoghue told the group. Should Mr. Rosen be fired, they all agreed to resign en masse. For some, the plan brought to mind the so-called Saturday Night Massacre of the Nixon era, where Attorney General Elliot L. Richardson and his deputy resigned rather than carry out the president’s order to fire the special prosecutor investigating him.

The Clark plan, the officials concluded, would seriously harm the department, the government and the rule of law. For hours, they anxiously messaged and called one another as they awaited Mr. Rosen’s fate.

Around 6 p.m., Mr. Rosen, Mr. Donoghue and Mr. Clark met at the White House with Mr. Trump, Mr. Cipollone, his deputy Patrick Philbin and other lawyers. Mr. Trump had Mr. Rosen and Mr. Clark present their arguments to him.

Mr. Cipollone advised the president not to fire Mr. Rosen and he reiterated, as he had for days, that he did not recommend sending the letter to Georgia lawmakers. Mr. Engel advised Mr. Trump that he and the department’s remaining top officials would resign if he fired Mr. Rosen, leaving Mr. Clark alone at the department.

Mr. Trump seemed somewhat swayed by the idea that firing Mr. Rosen would trigger not only chaos at the Justice Department, but also congressional investigations and possibly recriminations from other Republicans and distract attention from his efforts to overturn the election results.

After nearly three hours, Mr. Trump ultimately decided that Mr. Clark’s plan would fail, and he allowed Mr. Rosen to stay.

Mr. Rosen and his deputies concluded they had weathered the turmoil. Once Congress certified Mr. Biden’s victory, there would be little for them to do until they left along with Mr. Trump in two weeks.

They began to exhale days later as the Electoral College certification at the Capitol got underway. And then they received word: The building had been breached.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:37 (three years ago) link

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Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:43 (three years ago) link


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