me my whole life
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 January 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link
I forgot about "At Irish Exit" which I assume will also be on this and is great even in its current form
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 22 January 2021 00:22 (three years ago) link
There's also a few new-to-me songs on this '09 set
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfOlYwlOoBU
It's sad that there's so little good Wrens live footage, they seem to have actually been pretty great at the "being a band" thing, hope they get a chance to do it again
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 22 January 2021 10:16 (three years ago) link
Simon you weren't alone in not knowing those two longs new(er) songs. Had no idea! The first one especially is very good. Thanks for linking to the interview. I'm at the point where I'd probably forgive him for murder, my patience is being tested and it seems it's endless :)
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 22 January 2021 10:19 (three years ago) link
yeah I'm glad I hadn't heard "reading ambiguity" in full until now because it has pretty much everything you'd want to hear out of a new wrens song (and will help tide me over until....if/when this album happens)
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 22 January 2021 10:29 (three years ago) link
ah sorry for the bad formatting i thought youtu.be links didn't embed for some reason
― ufo, Friday, 22 January 2021 11:01 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02edpf9k8k
also everyone should hear their really great cover of R.E.M.'s "Nightswimming"
― ufo, Friday, 22 January 2021 11:02 (three years ago) link
ok let's try that again without embeds
apparently the versions of "Crescent" and "As I've Known" they released a decade ago were just demos, but they sound very good for demos.
years ago i compiled all the unreleased/unfinished material they've played live or released demos of that i could find, so here's everything that hasn't been mentioned yet. some of it is very rough sketches but other stuff is more fleshed out.
"Whammy Song" (transitions into "This Boy Is Exhausted" in this clip)"Leaves Ground"/"Leaves"Sleep" (a demo released on a compilation in 2008): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wso2q70zWWM"Pulled Fences" (live-in-studio improvisation based on a demo titled "In Turkish Waters" that I can no longer track down at all)"Marked Up""Z""The Thousand Do's""Well It's Right Then It's Wrong" (a version of this in Simon's video, along with "You Won't Need Me Again" and "Get Out Of This Heartless Town", but this is a longer performance)untitled songs: 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 (two songs in this one), 6
there's a few more bits of songs on their soundcloud that Charles has posted over the years: https://soundcloud.com/thewrens
― ufo, Friday, 22 January 2021 11:10 (three years ago) link
sick roundup, I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves these scraps
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 22 January 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
We have a dog, a fish, three children, four chickens and two gerbils that I say goodnight to. pic.twitter.com/3oahJNGHIw— the wrens (@thewrens) July 26, 2021
don't get me wrong, they'll have written the most gut-wrenchingly self-aware song about "how they're aware they'd said the album was coming out at a timeframe but now that's not the case and you'll find out a teensy weensy bit more after i've fed my chickens update in 2021."― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, January 30, 2020 2:00 AM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, January 30, 2020 2:00 AM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 26 July 2021 04:19 (two years ago) link
oh well!!
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 20 September 2021 16:15 (two years ago) link
idk what this bump is about but i checked their twitter and charles is saying they're announcing new music this week? like i'll believe it when i hear it but...!
― ufo, Monday, 20 September 2021 16:20 (two years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/arts/music/the-wrens-aeon-station.html
kevin is putting out his wrens songs without charles
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 20 September 2021 16:21 (two years ago) link
oh damn
at this point i'm just happy that something's on the way but it's a real shame it's come to this
lol that they really did have the album done back in 2013
― ufo, Monday, 20 September 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
i just hope the charles solo album is actually coming out too and he's not going to lose faith in it suddenly and spend another decade tinkering with it lol
― ufo, Monday, 20 September 2021 16:34 (two years ago) link
i like how the Whelan brothers work at competing pharmaceutical companies
― Murgatroid, Monday, 20 September 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link
whelan should have done this 15 years ago
― mookieproof, Monday, 20 September 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link
definite bummer but tbh whenever Charles was posting on the Wrens twitter and it had nothing to do with the next album it became frustrating. Which was pretty much all the time.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 20 September 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link
Feel like with Charles there is this weird mix of complacency ("it's ok to not be done yet, I still have ideas, people are used to the delay") and madness. I mean you could do this with any collection of songs you want. Work on them to perfection, drive them into the ground and burn out, then change the way you play them to whatever degree necessary until they sound fresh again, repeat.
― Evan, Monday, 20 September 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link
it sounds like more pressure from the label & the rest of the band might have really helped rather than just leaving charles to his own devices to go mad over it
― ufo, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 01:01 (two years ago) link
no shade but if charles did in fact take the position that he should be compensated for being the public face of the wrens, while simultaneously keeping them in release limbo, that's really hard to defend
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 01:07 (two years ago) link
yup
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 01:44 (two years ago) link
xps lolling at the idea of a smalltime label like Absolutely Kosher exerting "pressure."
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 02:19 (two years ago) link
they've been signed to sub pop since 2013! they announced they'd signed to a big indie then but it was never revealed who until now. someone from sub pop was even quoted in the article saying that maybe they should have put more pressure on them when charles backed out of releasing the album in 2013 from the article it sounded like he only wanted to renegotiate things after he was ready to release the album again in 2019, but those negotiations dragged out forever & delayed the album until kevin got sick of it & decided to put out his stuff on his own
― ufo, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 02:22 (two years ago) link
haha serves me right for not even reading the article
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 02:24 (two years ago) link
That article is kind of sad, but really the Wrens have been a hobby band for ages. They all have big jobs and enough family stuff to deal with that the best possible outcome (besides one more album) was probably going to be some thoughtful indie documentary about middle aged family men making a final run at it.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 03:07 (two years ago) link
well i personally could have gone for another tour because they were the real deal as a live band
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 03:22 (two years ago) link
Pretty ok…pretty ok: https://www.stereogum.com/2161316/aeon-station-queens/music/
― KPH, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link
but then greg plugs in
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 00:36 (two years ago) link
this is alright but the mix is pretty bad. feels like the pieces of a very good wrens song is there but it hasn't quite come together
― ufo, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 09:22 (two years ago) link
Perhaps if someone could just tinker with it a few more years maybe
― Evan, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 11:10 (two years ago) link
bissell twitter thred
Believe it or not, I only just finally read the NYT piece yesterday, ditto listened to Kevin's single (which admittedly, I have heard 100's of times, & worked on, over the last 10 years), annnnnd...I guess there is a lot to say. Or not.— the wrens (@thewrens) October 6, 2021
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:11 (two years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/thewrens/and-its-all-guns-arrows-v10-excerpt-only-as-of-101321
new song snippet from charles
― ufo, Saturday, 16 October 2021 00:34 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRrf8lL5f88
here's the studio "leaves" from kevin, it's good!
― ufo, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 23:21 (two years ago) link
…but for the little it’s worth here too, Sub Pop never got an album handed in, not two years ago when it was done, let alone in 2013 or something (magically, before we’d even signed with them somehow - ha). But thanks, bmb!)— the wrens (@thewrens) October 19, 2021
charles also claims there was never an album submitted to sub pop back in 2013
I’ve already been planning that when I announce my own, I’ll also put up the track listing for the now-deep-sixed wrens record and people could paste their own together.— the wrens (@thewrens) October 19, 2021
& this will be nice to have
― ufo, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 04:52 (two years ago) link
tbh the version of the meadowlands i listen to is pasted together too -- there was an initial mp3 version with a different tracklisting and different versions/titles for like half the songs iirc
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 05:00 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXJV4LQG3s
that would be this, iirc it was an early unmastered version they'd sent out to critics & friends before tweaking it a little more for the actual release. the final tracklist is much better imo & the differences in mixes aren't enough for me to really care either way
― ufo, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 05:49 (two years ago) link
like i might take the less blown-out early mixes of "per second second" and "everyone chooses sides" over the final versions but it's not a huge difference. iirc the only other difference is some minor things in "ex-girl collection"
i don't miss either of the cut tracks
― ufo, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 05:55 (two years ago) link
ah, ty
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 05:57 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DKl7aAKis8
decent
― ufo, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link
I really like this one, and it reminds me in a weird way of Clint Conley's non-Mission of Burma band Consonant.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 04:28 (two years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/nov/24/its-repulsive-to-me-the-bitter-feud-of-indie-rockers-the-wrens
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:11 (two years ago) link
Whelan showing some patient company exec vibes on something that I imagine would be driving him nuts were that band stuff taking place in his actual day job.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:29 (two years ago) link
oof.
― blue6ave, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 22:21 (two years ago) link
this doesn't really explain the conflict any further, the previous piece said the big issue was the album had been pretty much done since 2019 but charles wanted to renegotiate contracts or something which dragged everything out and caused conflicts and was the last straw etc.
while this one just makes it seem like kevin was frustrated with charles for taking too long without getting into whatever the contracts dispute was actually about
― ufo, Thursday, 25 November 2021 00:33 (two years ago) link
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/aeon-station-interview-kevin-whelan-b1959977.html
a bit more insightful
kevin gave charles an ultimatum (that he'd quit, but no mention of a solo album, piecing their stories together?) if the album wasn't ready for release by march & then followed through
charles says it was pretty much done by 2019 but then in preparing for release the band fell apart (due to his attempts to renegotiate contracts as mentioned elsewhere) & thus the album was still not ready to be released & now feels very betrayed that kevin recorded a solo album without telling him after quitting
but without the details of what the actual contractual shit that they fell out over it's hard to have much idea of who's in the right or anything
just a very depressing end, hope charles gets his act together & his album is out before long too (lol)
― ufo, Monday, 29 November 2021 08:52 (two years ago) link
Charles seems quite clearly to be the problem, from the available info.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 14:40 (two years ago) link
idk it's hard for me to take the side of a big pharma exec, a career of evil
― adam, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 14:59 (two years ago) link
Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever) at 10:28 16 Nov 21I really like this one, and it reminds me in a weird way of Clint Conley's non-Mission of Burma band Consonant.I love that band!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 15:01 (two years ago) link
i'm just so fucking bummed about about this. the long Independent piece says the best Bissell tracks are "astounding" and it just sucks that it all came to this. the most fucking wrens ass shit.
― bakedbeans, Thursday, 9 December 2021 03:04 (two years ago) link