"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

Used to deal with a few of these in my frontline housing days and one in particular used to threaten me with marine law until i produced my master seamans book during one interview which shut him up

Now that was just as well as i was awarded it in a quiet handshake deal basis in order to satisfy administrative requirements to work on a trawler and upon further investigation he would possibly have noted that it was in fact entirely in dutch but turns out that the showy production of it sufficed

Lol

legendary deems moves

ahahaha

haha

https://64.media.tumblr.com/4bed86930b64dce16ffb0418a3c0cca6/tumblr_inline_nwdtzj6AdI1qdeu3c_250.gif

Rude imo

I dont believe half of my own stories tbh so no blame attached for anyone inclined to wonder betimes

the new pub one happened though right?!

maastricht zeeman morelike

They are fyi all true and not even as embellished as youd think tbh

Complaints by neighbors have included goats on the loose. Dogs on the run. Trash piles and junk vehicles. Flying a Confederate flag. Posting a threatening sign.

Yet trash still litters the lawn. The dogs still roam free. The junk vehicles haven't moved. Because the owner of the property, 32-year-old Brian M. Nelson, doesn't believe the law applies to him.

He's said so many times, according to police reports and court records.

JOHN REINAN/STAR TRIBUNE
Dead vehicles piled with trash fill Brian Nelson’s driveway in Elbow Lake.
When officers confronted him in June about trash in his yard, "he stated that this was his property and that he was not subjected to the city ordinances," a deputy wrote.

When deputies warned him in July about keeping goats, which aren't allowed in city limits, "Brian became belligerent about the city's ordinances," a report said.

When officials served him in August with a nuisance violation order for goats, weeds and dead vehicles, "he stated that he does not recognize the city's ordinances and that he would not be complying with this order," according to a court document.

After nine months of back-and-forth, local officials aren't sure what to do next. In December, the city went to court seeking an order declaring Nelson's property a public nuisance and allowing authorities to swoop in and clean it up.

https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-town-is-flummoxed-by-resident-who-claims-he-s-above-the-law/600016479/?refresh=true

ffs surely there's still napalm

"Well gawrsh guys, he seems pretty insistent that the rules don't apply to him, so I guess we just give up."

Nelson, who moved into the home less than two years ago, declined to be interviewed. His wife, Ritausha, said he didn't want to talk.

"He says he's not a man that wants a contact," she said.In September, a neighbor reported Nelson for burning brush in his yard. Days later, he put up a large sign written on a sheet of plywood that read, "Do Not Cry Wolf Lady."

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— Bad Legal Takes (@BadLegalTakes) February 2, 2021

Long answer?

also no

PREPLIMARY STATEMENT

never, ever ask these ppl for 'the long answer'

Why is a sovereign citizen going into Whole Foods anyway? Can't he snare varmints or rustle cattle for his vittles?

i mean these lads believe in freedom except the freedom of shopkeepers to choose who they serve so i don't think we're looking at airtight logicians here

PREPLIMARY STATEMENT

lol, hadn't spotted that!

https://i.imgur.com/Ytyb7Yv.jpg

In Magical Incantations We Trust

Whose lands again?

Don't know what this is all about, by they should receive some kind of prize for "iplimentatyion"

Here is the prime creator himself

https://au.news.yahoo.com/chaos-ensues-man-interrupts-nsw-covid-press-conference-045005585.html

This is my house and my house music, I am the creator!

Some speculated that the man responsible was Peter Hore, a renowned prankster known for his disruptive stunts, however some refuted the suggestion, saying the man appeared too young.

some refuted, but it's entirely possible that Peter Hoare has de-aged three or four decades in the last two decades, so let's print ludicrous tweets by randos as news.

"renowned prankster" is doing some extremely heavy lifting too

ignorance of my devine lores is no excuse

Bonus eyelet so you can wear it around your neck on a lanyard

cant stop giggling at closing with "THANK YOU AND I LOVE YOU ALL", sounds like how God would end a conference call. "I MADE YOU IN MY OWN IMAGE AND I HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BACK-TO-BACK WITH THIS ONE"

INTERVIEW WITH RENOWNED DIPSHIT AT 8PM. ENJOY!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/03/massachusetts-police-standoff/

Police in Wakefield, Mass., arrested 11 people Saturday after an hours-long standoff with a group of heavily armed men who fled into the woods near Interstate 95, sparking stay-at-home orders for nearby residents and a highway shutdown.

According to the Wakefield Police Department, several men, carrying rifles and handguns fled into the woods off the highway around 1:30 a.m., after refusing to comply with orders during a motor vehicle stop. The men claim to belong to a group that “does not recognize our laws,” police said.

Members of the group later said they were traveling from Rhode Island to Maine for “training.”

Is the quoted bit the entire article? It’s as far as I could get behind the paywall.

The Graun makes it sound like it all started because they ran out of gas:

The stand-off began around 2am when police noticed two cars pulled over on I-95 with hazard lights on after they apparently rqn out of fuel, authorities said at a press briefing.

Actually I think they took it from AP? The article changed since I first read it though. Earlier it had a quote from the fuzz that sounded fairly sympathetic to the sovereign citizen perspective.

They were Moorish sovereign citizens, a weird and fascinating subset of the general sovcit movement. Here's a really good Twitter thread with lots of stories about various incidents across the country:

What is a Moorish Sovereign, and why does it matter? A thread.

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 3, 2021

ahh ty for context

good stuff about that movement here:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/473653.Gone_to_Croatan

I have a copy of that book, it used to be rather hard to find for whatever reason. Some of what's in it is great...some other stuff, not so much.

today’s incident happened in the town where i grew up like 5 mins from my parents house.

The context is appreciated yeah.

From Goodreads: “Recommends it for: people who don't think howard zinn goes far enough”

Hmm. Seems like Zinn was mainly focused on how systemic oppression was cooked into America’s pot from the beginning; I’m not getting that from the blurb for this book so much. It still looks interesting though.

Regarding the Moorish Sovereigns specifically though it looks like they position themselves at the intersection of the Montana Freemen and the Black Hebrew Israelites. Yikes. I wonder if they’re affiliated with that cult that got shut down in Georgia a few years back.

I wonder if they’re affiliated with that cult that got shut down in Georgia a few years back.

Yes. The long-ass Twitter thread I linked goes into that a little. The main dude was sentenced to 135 years in prison and is suing the US government for $2 billion from his cell.

I'm surprised a judge would allow a suit like that to proceed, although the $2 billion is just a figure the guy pulled out of his ass and the real question is whether he has appropriate grounds for his filing. Given how whacko these freemen are, that seems... questionable.

Cheers unperson. (I did take a quick dive into that rabbit hole you linked but it seems I withdrew prematurely.)

viborg, there's some good stuff in there— Guillermo Gomez-Peña, Jack Forbes, Peter Linebaugh. I'd say it's about half crank and conspiracy stuff, and half legitimate radical scholarship.

It didn't live up to my expectations, to be honest— at the time I ordered it, I was much more interested in learning about communes, intentional communities, hermetic individuals, and hobo types. But it has actually come in handy a few times.

Were you thinking about taking up the hobo life? I’m not being dismissive, I’ve considered it as an option tbh. (We used to hop trains for fun as kids. I once got arrested for a particularly drunken episode involving me in my Mohawk hanging off a freight train, flipping off Southern small-town cops.)

I think I could definitely do alright as a hermit.

But yeah I’d pick up the book if I saw it available somewhere, idk if I’m going to go out of my way to read it, cheers.

I am a bit more interested in some actual sequels to Zinn’s work that I saw mentioned in ILBooks.

I'm pretty sure the Nation of Islam evolved out of a split in the Moorish Temple

viborg, I did live the hobo life for a while. I even was a caretaker for this place in the winter of 2015-2016.

A lot of my written work, in one way or another, explores the possibility of dropping out of society, or the way those inhabiting "the third landscape" live— I've lived off-grid, in squats, on land projects, and in a truck, the latter for several years.

I highly recommend the Dunbar-Ortiz, "Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States." It's the base text for a lot of indigenous studies and literature classes— the prose is fluid, angry, and harrowing.