when did twitter stop being cool?

if you're mean to people online that still counts as being mean to people, sorry to inform you

not what was said tho

im meaner to ilxors irl fwiw

it's exactly what I said; people compartmentalize being mean online as not being mean, and then blame it on whatever online service it is

i usually regret being mean on ilx. usually i just don’t look at the thread for 2-3 days

the thing is that people are just as hateful to one another in real life,

Not, imo, a fact, and exactly a quote of what was said

what I meant is that people do not become less hateful to one another just because the medium changes

i think that's fair enough but i do think the medium matters or changes things in ways which makes it very difficult to be sure about any big statements sometimes?

I think that's something that's probably open to serious challenge

xp

xp may have read that wrong tbh

If its "people dont behave any differently" then ime thats not right

If its "the same behaviour is no different just because of the medium" then it's up for debate

i love that Wellerman vid

i enjoy Twitter

i like things

like for instance today the Designated Wrong person was someone who said that Disney IPs were for children and people shouldn't like them. every other day the Designated Wrong person is people who watch Disney IPs. the only constant is hatred of people.

"Designated Wrong person" is not a thing that exists

And Disney ips are for children

Even searching Twitter for Disney I have no idea what that refers to

I do see tweets like this and they're correct that the Aristocats are cool

Disney + has these super cute little mini docs. On one, a Pixar script supervisor is talking about how she noticed that their movies were heavily weighted towards more male characters, and male characters having more lines...

— Ashley Nicole Black (@ashleyn1cole) January 16, 2021

oops like this

Who needs "That Cats Movie" when The Aristocats exists#Disney #TheAristocats pic.twitter.com/YxcoIQTHhU

— Movie Madness (@CinematicAppeal) January 16, 2021

“Designated Wrong person" is not a thing that exists

― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, January 16, 2021

...except on ilx and all other social media

wow wrong again

lol

Denigrated wrong person

"Designated Wrong person" is not a thing that exists

― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, January 16, 2021 8:27 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

"the main character," whatever, but it is a thing that exists

the tweet I was referring to -- I don't agree with the rest of the thread, but "you are choosing to give a corporate entity your creative energy" is a sentiment expressed over and over during the "if you disliked that martin scorsese movie but like the marvel cinematic universe you are bad and wrong" cycle and accepted as the self-evidently correct take that if you disagreed with you deserve to be mocked forever. but now it's self-evidently incorrect

"Fanfic is collaborative" "it's about community" nah sorry it's all corporate IP. Ultimately, someone else legally owns it, and you are choosing to give a corporate entity your creative energy.

— RS_Benedict (@benedict_rs) January 16, 2021

like if you're going to tell people they're horrible people for doing/thinking something at least just make up your mind on what you need to not do to be horrible

At least it changes every day tho

Lot to be said for that

maybe different people think and are saying different things, can we get a spreadsheet

Jayslack.cls

Dmactypos.ffs

I mean no, there is not a lot to be said for that, because I never know what is and is not the right thing to do and think among morally neutral things, like being a marvel fan

It must be a matter of opinion so. I think the variety is good, it keeps my interest. Its probably down to how one uses it i guess.

I never know what is and is not the right thing to do and think

This is called existence. You get used to it.

That tweet looks more like an issue of fandoms/fan communities than 'the twitter discourse' or whatever. Those fandoms have a habit (from the outside) of blowing up irrelevance into huge moral causes, which is why they're almost universally bad.

How many people think about or care about fanfic at all on a daily basis?

writing fanfic about Disney IPs is vastly morally superior to paying money for Disney IPs

there would probably be fewer "main characters" if twitter as a platform didn't encourage people to declare their takes in the pithiest, smuggest, least nuanced language possible, thereby inviting equally pithy smug unnuanced responses. there are plenty of twitter users who display intellectual curiosity and thoughtfulness but those things obviously don't drive engagement

i won't go so far to say that people like that don't exist in real life, but it shouldn't be difficult for most adults to foster a social life free of them. ime people like that attract people who can tolerate them and repel everyone else. social behavior that is much more difficult to replicate on twitter and other public-facing social media platforms.

in real life i am never going to be encouraged to supply a reaction to a brief statement a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend said

“there are plenty of twitter users who display intellectual curiosity and thoughtfulness but those things obviously don't drive engagement“

but it’s fairly easy to curate your own experience to foreground those people

not saying it isn't. you can surely find a pocket for yourself away from the big mean discourse, but then we wouldn't really be talking about what we're talking about

Umm ... what is an IP in the context of Disney?

m/l: a character/concept/setting and the associated registered copyrights and trademarks

Ah, OK. That’s all I know IP to mean but the context of “Disney ips are for children” threw me

See the corporate boardroom drama ip man for a full background

^ arf

The thesis is that is is not ideal for grown-ups to have a major emotional investment in, or to build their personality around their regard for, stories about cartoon mice or space elves or superheroes.

(Especially as they do not have discrete authors, and are controlled by a company that actively cares about exploiting the reader for money 100% more than thye are interested in telling a meaningful story (via the means of financially exploited authors): the glimpse I caught of what I'm inferring Katherine's discourse to be was a sneeringly-phrased imprecation against training-wheels authors teaching themselves by making art about those characters, for fun.)

realistically, in that trite punk rock, well-intentioned way, probably 2007-2008

then it turned into this ugly monster where the good people just chill on its bunions but you can still smell its stinky feet

Twitter fucking sucks, it has always sucked. All social media is garbage.

The lifeblood of twitter is all about WHO is saying what and to be SOMEONE on twitter all you have to do is: whatever it takes using an insufficient amount of characters to do it. I don't trust anybody on twitter.

Twitter is great, just don’t follow shitty people.

Twitter is great when your pal wins a Gwyneth fanjo candle in a quiz, it explodes when lit, she sells the story to a tabloid, and the story goes viral with many, many LOLs.

If I had a nickel...

I upset Ripper Owens on Twitter once

I noticed a few years back, in myself and others, that any assertion I made in a public online forum had a subconscious primary motivation. I'd conceive of an assertion, think it was coming from a particular place, but in retrospect, I'd be able to see the subconscious motivation for making that assertion. In certain cases, the primary motivation would be full-tilt psychological projection-- identifying a pattern of behaviour in others, publicly speaking on it, without realizing (at the time) that I was, in fact, describing my own behaviour.

Having noticed this, I became more trepidatious about making online assertions. Twitter is, I think, just the most obvious arena for this tendency to thrive. I see rich people asserting that they're poor, and accusing others of being ostentatious about their wealth. I see the smuggest individuals I've ever met accusing others of smugness.

I mean, even this post itself has to come with a disclaimer... I'm not posting this to claim that I'm "above the tendency toward psychological projection in making online assertions", just that it's kinda prevalent, a constant byproduct of being online, in my own posting and others