ILM Ballot Polls for 2020 and beyond -- the ordering, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

I'm still down to do the no wave poll even though a bunch of stuff has skipped ahead ... I just figured someone would contact me or something and let me know it was my turn ... nbd

DOOM should be asap imo

get in before he reveals his death was a hoax

Maybe it's time to reinstate a running order extending several polls ahead. Might help in getting long-delayed polls firmly back on the agenda AND reduce stagnant periods, which have sometimes been quite protracted recently.

If I was in charge I'd actually just allocate a calendar month for each poll. Possibly starting March 1st, seeing as EOY polls seem to extend through much of Feb. And then a new poll from the 1st of each month. Easy. And no guesswork or waiting around. If a poll-runner was contemplating a weirdly bloated voting period or rollout, they'd know to expect the potential* distraction of the next month's poll, which would start regardless. :)

*very few are interested in every single poll, after all.

so you are saying it should read like this?

March: Hard Rock/Hair Metal - gr8080

if gr8080 is still around then he can say i'll do it or ask someone to take his place in running it?

April: Stephin Merritt - Gukbe

i would love another Gukbe poll

Kinda. You'd presumably still need to negotiate who goes into given slots. I'm just wondering out loud whether an actual date rather than "whenever X and Y has finished" might improve turnaround and reduce stagnant periods.

It sometimes feels like the next poll to go ahead has been dictated a little too much by whoever happens to visit this thread in quiet periods. I mean, I've benefited from this myself, but I happily concede that I probably shouldn't have had the opportunity to run 4 polls in 2 years, typically on short notice, while sarahell and charlie rex (for example) have been waiting far, far longer. And seemingly mainly because I've been attentive to this thread when things have stagnated!

the problem has been that a lot of the people who signed up years ago haven't been around so 'everyone just waits their turn' stopped working years ago leading to the current system of people just run one when there's a gap and they want to do it

Some names are surely inactive. But there are plenty of recent signs that others really *have* been waiting patiently. The aforementioned No Wave poll was suggested in 2014. Oor Neechy mentions being on the list under multiple aliases. And the last two 2020 single-artist polls had been on the list for absolutely ages: Nick Cave since '14, The Cramps since '16.

Looking back to the original thread it's striking how tight the operation was in the early days. Amazing.

last day to vote over in ILM's 2020 End of Year Tracks & Albums Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD

Precursors to the numbered list:
A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. The Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. The Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. The Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. The Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (finished)
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h (finished)
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom (finished)
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK (finished)
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra (finished)
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain (finished)
53. Outkast - Spottie (finished)
54. Autechre - Leee (finished)
55. Brian Eno - WmC (finished)
56. Radiohead - nate woolls (finished)
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom (finished)
58. "Epics" - Leee (finished)
59. XTC - Οὖτις (finished)
60. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK (finished)
61. Yo La Tengo - Van Horn Street/clemenza (finished)
62. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt (finished)
63. Ramones - tipsy mothra (finished)
64. Italo - daavid (finished)
65. P-Funk - Οὖτις (finished)
66. Metallica - pplains (finished)
67. Spoon - Bee OK (finished)
68. Queen - charlie h (finished)
69. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds (finished)
69B. Pixies - Johnny Fever (finished)
70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy (finished)
71. Tom Petty - rogermexico. (finished)
72. The Smiths - nate woolls (finished)
73. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK (finished)
74. Stereolab - Moka (finished)
75. Van Halen - Johnny Fever (finished)
76. Devo - soref (finished)
77. Can - Z S Moka (finished)
78. Oasis - Bee OK (finished)
79. George Michael - Ismael Klata (finished)
80. The Stooges/Iggy Pop - Moka (finished)
81. Leonard Cohen - Simon H. (finished)
82. Talking Heads - Bee OK (finished)
83. Blondie - nate woolls (finished)
84. Van Morrison - kornrulez6969 (finished)
85. Wu-Tang Clan - Spottie (finished)
86. Joy Division – Bee OK (finished)
87. The Smashing Pumpkins - ufo (finished)
88. Björk – Eric H (finished)
89. Beatles solo careers - Οὖτις (finished)
90. Elvis Presley - Euler and Moka (images) - (finished)
91. Tori Amos - ufo (finished)
92. They Might Be Giants - sic (finished)
93. The B-52's - Bee OK/Karl Malone (finished)
94. Belle and Sebastian - Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)
95. Songs Under 2 Minutes - Karl Malone (finished)
96. The Burt Bacharach songbook – WmC (finished)
97. Beck – Bee OK (finished)
98. The Go-Betweens - Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)
99. Cat Power – Leee (finished)
100. Prefab Sprout – Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)
101. Jimi Hendrix - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
102. Underworld – sic (finished)
103. Janet Jackson – Eric H. (finished)
104. The Replacements – Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)
105. The Cramps – Moka (finished)
106. Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party/et al – charlie rex (finished)

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Hard Rock/Hair Metal - gr8080
Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
Genesis + solo - NickB
Dead C - Raymond Cummings
Royal Trux + side projects - sleeve
John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
Rush - Matt #2
Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
Low - aldo
Nine Inch Nails - chap
REM - rogermexico. Hideous Lump added to do images
Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK
Covers - kornrulez6969
New Pornographers/AC Newman - C. Grisso/McCain added as poll runner
No Wave - sarahell
DFA - Van Horn Street
Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080
Erykah Badu - Eric H.
Herbie Hancock - crüt
Aphex Twin - Stevie D
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Bee OK
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - Spottie
Siouxsie & the Banshees/The Creatures - LeRooLeRoo
AM Radio Gold - Jeff W
Eurovision - nxd
Steve Albini - nate woolls
Yellow Magic Orchestra - frogbs
Byrds + offshoots - kornrulez6969
Cardiacs + affiliated - imago
Tropicalia/MPB - Frederik B
Chic Organization - pollrunner needed for this one
French/Francophone - Van Horn Street
The Cars/Ric Ocasek - crüt
Tim Buckley - Naive Teen Idol
The Cramps - Moka
Bristol trip-hop - chap
Wire - kornrulez6969
jungle/drum 'n bass - Le Bateau Ivre
Suede - Bee OK
Robyn Hitchcock - campreverb
Power Ballads - rogermexico.
Grunge - Cosmic Slop
Artists poll - Dan Worsley
Kylie Minogue - BradNelson
Math-rock/Hardcore/Post-Hardcore poll - Odysseus
Phil Spector - crüt
Glen Campbell - ― Spottie
ZZ Top - rogermexico.
QOTSA/Desert Sessions - rogermexico.
T Rex - Naive Teen Idol
Bardo Pond – Leee
Super Furry Animals – wtev added as poll runner
Nu Metal Trax – Mordy
Linda Ronstadt – crüt
New Wave (just can’t get enough) Albums and Singles - Bee OK
easy listening/adult contemporary – dyl
Serge Gainsbourg - Camaraderie at Arms Length
Galaxie 500/Luna - Bee OK
Girl Groups singles poll - Dan Worsley
Phil Elverum - devvvine
Wussy - clemenza
Broadcast - Nag! Nag! Nag!

*added since last update:

Punk Rock Tracks Poll (1977- 1984) – WmC
Psychedelic Rock – Leee
MP Doom – Chris L. or maffew12?

not sure if WmC or Leee really signed up but there weren't a lot of things added this last year. if you want to be removed just let me know and i'll update.

cramps was recently done by moka

it's there number 105, just didn't delist it. thanks for letting me know.

my spelling error for MF Doom is quite funny to me.

I don't remember signing up for punk tracks. Take me off -- I'm done running polls unless it's to rerun Bacharach every few years.

Can you put me down to do Sparks, seems like a good year to do it.

I suggested MF Doom but am not able to do it myself.

bravo once again Bee OK for keeping up the list!

please mark Billy Joel unclaimed next time around --- i'm definitely satisfied with having run the career-spanning listening thread. i would say just take it off the list, but if someone else wants to do it, they totally should!

Where's Stevie D, can we bump Aphex up?

since the Metal poll is never going to close, anyone ready to go for the next one? i really think MF Doom should go next but open to anything at this point.

or maybe we should do Daft Punk but someone will need to volunteer for that one.

^^ force it onto DJP imo

Have we not done Rundgren? I’m still scared of running a poll but could maybe be convinced.

do it! they are really fun to run especially if you're a huge fan of said artist. i will say it's a lot of work but the rewards are worth it.

I'll vote in that one for sure.

I'll also vote, especially if we have a sub-poll for "Favourite New Cars song".

Ok I’m game. Do I have to wait in a queue? How we do decide these things?

if you want to do it now you probably just can since no one else has volunteered to run one right now yet

The Ballot Of Todd Rundgren

Fuck, I think that's gotta be it.

Ok, I'll put this up tonight. Pray for me (or at least tell me how to run one of these things).

2021 has started:
The Ballot of TODD RUNDGREN: ILM ARTIST POLL #107 Nominations Thread

sorry i lost track here about getting the MF DOOM started. When would be a good time? April 1?

the rundgren poll looks like it'll be done in about 3 weeks so as soon as it's done would be fine

ok sure I'll keep an eye on its schedule

Wonder what would be the interest in a Loudon Wainwright III poll, apart from myself and NTI. I could try to run it (first time will be the charm), might not be able to do it until the summer.

I would follow results, would like to get into him. But wouldn’t be able to vote.

Voting just closed for the Todd Rundgren poll. What are best practices for rolling out the results? I have most of the ballots tabulated already, but will have to prep the results.

Foe instance, are there better days to roll them out (ie, weekdays versus weekends)? And how quickly? I know that I tend to like slower results with more time for people to weigh in and comment. But I also don’t want to drag things out or slow down other polls.

Thx in advance for suggestions.

However the pollrunner feels like or has time to roll them out imo, it's a feature not a bug that people run things differently.

(I always try to have my text and links and images ready at least a day at a time, and when possible to hold off on dropping a result until a bit of discussion on the previous result has had time to roll. Some people like to hit a certain pace of rollout and let the discussion fall where it may. Weekdays are usually better for engagement, but you'll probably catch some different commenters with a few results teased over a weekend.)

i'm always an advocate for slow rollouts. better to have some days that are light on discussion have it all go by in a blur - IMO!

i also don't think there's any issue with a results rollout happening simultaneous with another polls' voting period; the only thing that really necessitates Order And Timing (again IMO) is to avoid having multiple simultaneous *voting* periods, because making a ballot takes time and energy so they end up competing with each other and worsening all the polls. especially key for those of us who like to do some listening as we tinker intermittently with the ballots, or to haunt the voting thread for recommendations etc.

I hate doing fancy images to go with the rollout, so I was putting out Led Zeppelin results within an hour of getting out of bed after the deadline passed. Still took tracks ballots (well, one ballot) while I was rolling out album results.

i have usually done a roll out when i got up on my day off, so around 9 - 10 AM ish on the West Coast. depending on how many you may want to roll out, i usually roll out about 20 - 25 per day and one result every 20 minutes or so. also have run things during the week but have some spill over until Saturday and even my Steely Dan one ran into a Sunday.

think i have been closer to 15 per day. so say, 15 per day and spread out over around 20 minutes each then it would be a five hour rollout. perfect, imo.

This is awesome feedback and advice, thanks, everyone!

alternative: five per day! or three! if i ever do a poll again that's where i'll be. i hate "missing" the rollout convo cause of work or w/e, but also you'll never please everybody, so whatever feels good to *you* is the best standard - you're putting in all the work after all!

Good input for me too--DOOM poll upcoming is my first. I was thinking to wait til right after the Rundgren rollout is done if that's alright.

slot #108 is all yours for MF Doom.

So Daft Punk was a non-starter?

so is the situation now that there isn't any real order to any of these and I can just do my no wave poll whenever, like before we had this thread to organize things?

no-one took it and wanted to run it, so it's still open for someone if they want to run it.

xpost

I'm super busy with work for the next couple months, so it's not like I can do it right away, but ... I've been kinda waiting my turn for lol a few years?

yes no order, just say when you are ready so we only have one poll going at a time. a bunch of people signed up but haven't followed through.