Enough With The Cutesy Titles, People Are Dead: US Politics January 2021 pt 2

Very dumb to do $1400 checks and explain that $2000 included the $600 you got with Trump's name on it.

In the universe of things that can be called "very dumb", I'm not sure that is an outstanding example.

No doubt Republicans will beat them over the head with whines of "$1400 isn't $2000!" but if Biden can get another stimulus check (or more than one) passed later in 2020 it won't be a very effective tactic. And the COVID relief package Biden's proposing looks pretty damn ambitious. I admit I'm curious to know how they're planning to deal with McConnell torpedoing 100% of everything they attempt with the filibuster though.

President-Elect Biden served in he Senate for over 35 years. So he knows the plan he outlined tonight can’t pass “quickly” & will delay the 2k for hard hit Americans.

Let’s get the extra money to people first.

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) January 15, 2021

this fuckin guy irritates me so god damn much. THINGS TAKE FOREVER BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

Very dumb to do $1400 checks and explain that $2000 included the $600 you got with Trump's name on it.

― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, January 14, 2021 11:36 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

...the democrats

Americans are pretty dumb but also money obsessed. I think they can figure out 600 + 1400 = 2000

that ol razzle dazzle baby

Plus, the $2000 amount still has the magical Trump Mark of Approval, which makes it harder for Republicans to knock it down. It's still the same political equation that applied just before the GA runoffs, except now the Republicans are staring at having lost in large part due to stalling the full $2000. It might not be entirely "very dumb" to repeat the play that won you the Senate.

what

you don't understand what I wrote?

thats correct

Rubio is such a tiny turd. As much as I hate Trump, he was really good at taking out other hateful people.

hes still there tho

I admit I'm curious to know how they're planning to deal with McConnell torpedoing 100% of everything they attempt with the filibuster though.

Sanders leads the budget committee now, and has signaled he would do it though reconciliation, requiring only 50 votes. Same as republican tax bill of 2017, as well as Obamacare

the left wing of the party completely willed these checks into existence, there was absolutely no interest in doing them from the party leadership, will be interesting to see how the left reacts to this centrist arithmetic, especially considering the $2000 was proposed under trump, its not particularly the ideal amount for continued survival, biden et al seem happy to pick up a couple senate seats off the idea move on

Biden will seek a deal with Republicans on another round of Covid-19 relief after taking office, rather than attempting to ram a package through without their support https://t.co/hY69XKk7CJ

— Bloomberg (@business) January 13, 2021

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XbA9pXBfXUo/maxresdefault.jpg

Worth noting that Biden is significantly undershooting existing, on-the-table Dem proposals https://t.co/X6dUSfTcp7

— Zach Carter (@zachdcarter) January 15, 2021

Ah Karl thanks for the explanation!

oh, no problem - it might take a while to get to that point, too. according to washpost stuff, biden is trying to start "bipartisan" but is prepared to go with reconciliation if/when republicans refuse to help at all

I'm feeling too burnt out right now to get in my "ugh dems suck" hits yet, but the time will come, the time will come

Are you really a Democrat if you don’t negotiate against yourself?

the $2000 amount still has the magical Trump Mark of Approval

Kamala Harris was stumping for $2000 monthly mid-year, therefore it's a magical number with Republican-repelling properties

every Republican senator cancelled their subscriptions to 2000AD and the Megazine

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who will chair the Budget Committee, has said he is working to put together a massive stimulus bill that could pass under special budget rules with a simple majority vote in the Senate, instead of the 60-vote margin normally required.

Biden, however, wants to try for a bipartisan majority on his first bill — although his team appears to have conducted little outreach to congressional Republicans on the plan. Democratic aides say that if Republicans do not appear willing to cooperate, they can shift gears quickly and move to “budget reconciliation,” the procedure that would allow them to pass legislation without GOP votes. That’s how Republicans passed their big tax-cut bill after Trump took office, and how President Barack Obama passed the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/01/14/biden-stimulus-covid-relief/

Kamala Harris was stumping for $2000 monthly mid-year, therefore it's a magical number with Republican-repelling properties

also, magical Kamala-repelling properties.

“We will finish the job of getting a total of $2,000 in cash relief to people who need it the most.

The $600 already appropriated is simply not enough.”
—Your next president, @JoeBiden

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) January 15, 2021

although his team appears to have conducted little outreach to congressional Republicans on the plan.

To be fair, congressional Republicans have been busy for a few months denying his imminent presidency (among other not-governing things).

the place to start would have been retroactive checks, then get to the vaunted $2k

or perhaps even better—match dollar for dollar the trillion dollar goodie bags doled out over the last year to financial sector and defense contractors and fossil fuels etc

^actually that’s the ticket: replace “paygo” with Matching Stim Checks to actual people for every dime Delta and Raytheon get ffs

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new Pew just dropped https://t.co/HUYQAzWzrc pic.twitter.com/TMUhlEqNg1

— Will Jordan (@williamjordann) January 15, 2021

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At the risk of stating the obvious not because he incited violence or tried to commit a coup, it's because he didn't succeed that he's finally losing some of the base. And they'll come roaring back in 2024 given the chance.

there's a missing ", it's" in there

idk not everything just stays the same, i mean donald trump didnt even exist five years ago

Sobering thought: the dip in approval probably includes a nonzero number of people who think he didn't fight hard enough to #stopthesteal. Or because he summoned

People for whom even Trump wasn't Trumpy enough

or what Dan I said xp

WaPo says The rioting criminal mob came within 60~ seconds of seeing Mike Pence on Jan. 6. And they were just 90 feet away from a small office where Pence was hiding, before a cop steered them away.

kinda wonder how things would be different if they'd gotten hold of him and/or the secret service just started killing people right and left

29% (Pew) is a pretty step fall off that is surely at least partly attributable to a violent coup attempt

...summoned the MAGA patriots and then told them not to kill anybody and to go home

trump lucked out that it didnt get more violent than it was

yet

well at least if there are further incidents they probably wont be directly precipitated by him, tho with ol donnie you never know

Xxxxxpost Crosstabs make it clear that it's more complicated than that. More than just his base voted for him.

For instance, 20% of Trump voters considered his post-election behavior poor, 34% said it was only "fair" in January, meaning most of his voters surveyed disapproved at least somewhat of his conduct, which was a definite decline from the same poll in December. Considering the fight he was putting up, at the time, I don't think that change can merely be attributed to "he failed".

By the same token, though, 64% of Republican voters think he really won the election. So what this poll proves is that some of his voters are jumping ship, but that as usual, Republicans tolerate corruption amongst their own.

yeah some of these accounts are making it sound like we really were close to actual lawmakers & congresspeople getting whacked

Remember when Al Franken resigned from the Senate because of a dumb photo? Ah, "good times".

Xxpost There's 20 pages of crosstabs which break it down to an extent.

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al franken resigned because of multiple credible reports of groping fwiw

Remember when Al Franken resigned from the Senate because of a dumb photo? Ah, "good times".

― Nhex,

He resigned because he groped a woman and more allegations awaited.

yeah some of these accounts are making it sound like we really were close to actual lawmakers & congresspeople getting whacked

― frogbs, Friday, January 15, 2021 10:28 AM bookmarkflaglink

I was legitimately afraid of this happening as I watched it unfold in real time. I'm glad I didn't know how close it was as things unfolded as I may have had a full-on meltdown.

i have a feeling in-person harassment of sitting Democratic Congresspeople (and Republicans who "didn't do enough") is going to be heightened for a long time. esp since unlike the President, they walk around pretty out in the open.

Remember when Al Franken resigned from the Senate because of a dumb photo? Ah, "good times".

― Nhex,

He resigned because he groped a woman and more allegations awaited.

― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),

replace Al with Katie Hill and you have a better point

just because Republicans don't hold their own accountable, like, ever, doesn't mean we should do the same for our own folks (it does mean though that maybe we shouldn't eat them for minor incidents). I think the Franken resignation was the right call.