alice in chains c/d

Tracks, I would say, but I would do either. Maybe tracks with an album top-10 side poll?

Cornell is just a monster. Staley has distinctive vocals, but it's also the treatment. They're double-tracked a lot, correct?

Tracks would be the main poll but would prob do albums too

I'd be in for a grunge poll, albeit I suspect I don't know grunge as well as I think I do.

Which bands would be eligible in a grunge poll? Seattle only, or would it extent to eg Smashing Pumpkins?

shawn smith is a legend in my mind just for his contributions to the first twilight singers record and having a band with my name

first pigonhed and satchel albums are all-time for me

S/T is exhausting, but the highs are high (pun not intended). Love the guitar sound, especially on Over Now.

Over Now is a highlight.

Love Brad/Satchel/Smith, I'm sure I read somewhere years back that the band (Brad) were originally called The Crash Test Dummies, and faced with litigation they renamed the band after the 'other' TCTD's lead singer.

The disappearance of the vast archive of Shawn Smith stuff on Bandcamp is an odd one. Must be estate-related, I assume? In terms of where to start, Let It All Begin and Shield of Thorns are both lovely solo albums,

I finally got around to look that up the other day, and was very disappointed to see it gone

Listening to the Mad Season album for the first time makes me realise how SOULFUL a lot of grunge could be

Which bands would be eligible in a grunge poll? Seattle only, or would it extent to eg Smashing Pumpkins?

― chap, Friday, January 15, 2021 1:46 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

no pumpkins. honestly i was just thinking the big 4 (PJ, SG, Nirvana, AiC) and maybe any of their offshoots. i could be possibly be swayed. could just do a soundgarden poll tbf.

i wanted to do a grunge poll

― a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 00:42 (sixteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sign me the f up!

― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 00:42 (sixteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I signed up years ago to do a grunge poll but you are most welcome to take it off my hands or we could co run it.

What about, like, Hole, Mudhoney, Green River, Mad Season, Tad, Screaming Trees, L7, etc.?

imo they all have to be in it

melvins too

Grunge was what got me into music aged 18 and I was into all those bands

What no Gruntruck?

Seriously though, Tad, Hole, Screaming Trees, Mudhoney, Stone Temple Pilots?

Lol, Xp

imo they all have to be in it

Agreed.

I never counted STP as real grunge, lol

Nor did I count Candlebox or Silverchair etc

Aye, STP definitely the FM version. I think a 'looser' remit would be more interesting? It's not like we're going to start nominating Kyuss or Neil Young.

stick to WA and it should be fine

No to STP, yes to Hole and L7. If your debut record didn't come out before Nevermind was released, you're out, unless you were comprised of members of other grunge bands (so yes to Brad and Mad Season).

Like basically this should be Green River > Down on the Upside.

And god no Smashing Pumpkins. It's a grunge poll, not an alternative poll.

I just got a box set of Mudhoney's mid '90s albums (when they were signed to Warners) and they're surprisingly good. If people really do the homework (LISTEN TO TAD YOU MOTHERFUCKERS), this could be an interesting poll.

i am already triggered by whats grunge/whats not lol DIDNT WE SORT THIS OUT 30 YEARS AGO

It's not that hard! Just leave the second wave grunge for the MTV Alternative Nation poll.

Listening to the Mad Season album for the first time makes me realise how SOULFUL a lot of grunge could be

This was the secret unlocked by the Afghan Whigs, by way of Ohio.

And Screaming Trees, too; not really much metal in either of those bands.

Yes to Mother Love Bone then?

yup

Nice. I suspect Man of Golden Words would be fairly high on my ballot.

we probably have another 3 years until my turn for the grunge poll comes around anyway but as this is the year Nevermind turns 30, it deffo should run this year imo.

I have metal poll in the near future but spottie is more than welcome to run the grunge poll instead of me if he would like to

Gonna be a bunch of crossover, I assume.

grunge poll! grunge poll!

oh snap sorry neechy i havent checked the list in a long time just figured it wasnt on there and i remember a long time ago volunteering to do one. But I'd love if you did it and i could design the images and help with the rollout for it? people feel strongly about the bands that need to be included and those that dont id be open to whatever.

im sure we can come up with something. Who knows when it will be our turn though.

there's been several new ballot poll threads(and new D/Ns for me) since i asked to be put on the list. iirc my request first time was missed by whoever was in charge (wmc?)

anyway it matters little. I'll be happy to co-run it with you or you can do it solo. Im fine either way.

Queensryche and Faster Pussycat will NOT be included though! lol

taking the grunge poll chat here:

ILM Ballot Polls for 2020 and beyond -- the ordering, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

Love them but I hate Rooster. It's so redneck.

― Sandy, Monday, March 3, 2014 3:12 AM bookmarkflaglink

this isn't an insult

aic were one of my first indications that there are rednecks everywhere and i celebrate them for it. always resonated a lot more with them than with someone like kurt cobain who shat on rural people every chance he could get. i remember a documentary where you could see jerry putting in a massive dip and i was just like, these are my guys

also re: upthread, calling jerry a background singer is so completely unhinged

it’s hard to remember but AIC came up on the tail end of mainstream hard rock metal’s popularity and iirc they were on one of the final big Monsters of Rock tours, so they def had one foot in that genre and obv had a kinship with a lot of folks whose life’s soundtrack was that music. When Dirt dropped it felt like such a true lived-in statement and very uncompromising, as much as I liked a lot of the other grunge acts (and I really did esp Pearl Jam tbh) I never got any sense of reportage from IRL shit like I did with AIC. which isn’t to say the other bands weren’t going thru IRL shit (obviously history shows they were) but Staley and co just really didn’t pull their punches. Gotta find my copy of this and replace it if I can’t.

I am glad I was able to catch them in both acoustic (short set at a benefit gig in 1992) and electric (near top of bill at Lolla 93, sadly missed a show right at UCI the previous fall) modes during the Dirt run. Still remember Angelo from Fishbone (and maybe one other bandmember) coming out for "Them Bones" at Lolla and Maynard from Tool joining on "Rooster," and both times it made it all the more intense, but I do wish I could remember their "Would?" from that show more vividly.

i think as a teen i just thought they sounded slightly heavier than the other big modern rock acts of the day, but it's wild how heavy they sound to me now. the intro to "them bones" is heavy as shit. i also love how maximalist they got around the self-titled, especially on something like "grind," SO many guitar and vocal tracks

I think that backing vocalist comment from upthread was me (from when I was BJO). Think my overall view is and has always been that I liked Jerry's voice, but I preferred him vocally serving more as a harmonic complement to Layne than being an outright lead singer. His voice is pleasant, but I liked it better when he was singing the moodier pieces on Sap and JoF then when he took two lead tracks on s/t.

He's obviously a driving force in the band, I just used to get salty when publications would slight Layne to praise Cantrell, I mean obviously the latter wrote or co-wrote almost all of their material, but without Layne's vocals, they wouldn't have achieved what they did (same if they never had Jerry). they were a power duo, albeit one where Jerry had to pick up a lot of slack when Layne was out of commission for long periods.

in conclusion Alice in Chains rules. "What the Hell Have I?" best song

Hair metal Lane takes on the PMRC!!! very cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yslRsWmgAA