Free as a Dodo: UK Politics Welcomes 2021

Steve Baker strikes me as the sort of person who, when they declare their unconditional support for you, you move to the centre of a ring of airport metal detectors.

Brexit Hardman - what an epitaph

Plenty for Steve Baker to cheer once the pandemic is over by early summer

Lexit was always, always an ill-advised position pic.twitter.com/FABsZZE8yI

— John Harris (@johnharris1969) January 14, 2021

the Britannia Unchained manifesto was all about the UK productivity deficit being mainly about lazy bastard heel dragging UK workers softened by an overly generous welfare state and way too extended union power and workers' rights.

'Shirkers' is the word they like to use I believe

"Labour slams timing"

omg i found the origin of the corbyn with tits on his shoulders painting pic.twitter.com/32smR0X23t

— marxist rashford⁷ (@JohnMcMarx) January 15, 2021

this is big

they are

how did he explain that pic to his wife? meeting with some constituents!

👀👀

Dutch government to step down after thousands of families were wrongly accused of child welfare fraud and wrongly told to pay money backhttps://t.co/ujhA4g3Thf

— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) January 15, 2021

wait resigning over a failure wtf kind of rube politics is that?

In this country there was that faulty computer system installed at all the sub-post offices that made it look like all their takings were down so lots of sub postmasters were ruined or accused of theft. perhaps it's a bit of a random thing to bring up, but I was just thinking about it recently and how shit it is to be falsely accused of fraud.

What parallel universe is this?

Dutch Rutte government resigns over child welfare fraud scandal

This is not the first time a Dutch government has resigned en masse in a gesture of collective responsibility. In 2002, the cabinet stood down after a report criticised ministers and the military for failing to prevent the massacre of Muslims at Srebrenica during the Bosnian war seven years earlier.

something i simply do not get is people/orgs who *trusted* boris johnson such that they can feel betrayed.

This letter from Scottish Fishermen's Federation @sff_uk
to @BorisJohnson is so angry...the white hot fury of betrayal. #Brexit https://t.co/2jDTfGzHi3 pic.twitter.com/Xl5LjcBucp

— Peter Foster (@pmdfoster) January 15, 2021

it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that they were one or more of the following
thick
complacent
lazy
naive
so full of ideological priors they couldn’t see any bad outcomes

I mean whatever about the fishermen because the fisheries policy and the place the industry has taken has led them down some dodgy routes politically but

The farmers? Really? I’ll never get over that one. I thought if it went Remain it would be for that reason and i was dead RONG

*the place the industry has taken in the fevered imagination of nativists

i remember talking to a number of farmers who felt because they had been told the EU were responsible for a lot of the difficulties they faced (cattle tuberculosis management for example).

Farners and fishermen have been moaning and whingeing about something or other my entire life - the former faithfully voting Tory the entire time and the latter voting Tory in their droves in recent years.

my great uncle is a farmer, and while we disagree on quite a lot politically, he was hard for remain and said any farmer who voted leave is an idiot.

the fishermen here are extremely Brexity, to the extent there used to be a poster covering a whole wall of one of their huts calling for Theresa May to be hanged as a traitor for not Brexiting enough

I know deems has made some good points on this earlier itt but fuck me, very hard to muster much sympathy reading something like that

they don’t even sell most of their catch here. Jesus

I think the fishing industry is important for keeping communities that might otherwise die going but, you know, so was coal mining.

Oh tbc I can see where CAP fucked them and left them embittered, that's all

but there's zero justification for their even pretending not to know that was a matter of their national govt giving them up in negotiations, or pretending to believe that brexit would improve their lot after the fact and so long passed

Tho tbh I'd question the sincerity of the posturing now. I think it more likely that they fancy that farmer-style antics may have some value now that they have a local power to appeal to?

Otherwise, as fizzles sez, there's no sense at all in the reaction. This was all known to be coming.

I reckon after this showboating (wahey) they'll end up getting a nice wedge for marketing to their new british customer base and jack prices up a bit, you don't just not sell fish.

I don't think there was a more brexity vote in the UK than Scottish fishermen. Even their tiny group of pro-indy voters voted to leave EU.

there are some very weird and detailed EU rules about crop rotation and the like, which probably did Remain no favours when it came to people casting their votes on the basis of “control”

This side, the fish lobby stayed strong FF even after CAP, but the fish lobby at that staged numbered about ten big guys who won out, who all diversified into celtic tiger activities.

Longer term v likely they (both scattered now-unemployed post CAP and eventually even the millionaire mackerel kings) moved with the tide (wahey) through FG post crash then SF since.

Can't map to UK there tbh but I'd imagine they nulabed then tried then brexited alright.

Tried/toried

that’s a good post, but my understanding is that fishermen here catch things like herring where the market is much greater abroad? I was just reading up on it and over 2/3 of fish eaten here is imported - cod, tuna, prawns etc. The graph on page 50 here is interesting for the breakdown of imports/exports.

I'm assuming a lot in Scotland voted SNP - same with farmers - as so many long term SNP strongholds are in those sorts of areas. Hence why a weaselly Weegie like Salmond's constituency was in the North East.

... though tbf they had the oil industry up there too.

idiot (selFish) self-interest worker groups that thought the Tories would do them a solid have such a low sympathy rating when they find out they were gullible fucks. It's almost as bad as ex-mining communities that were destroyed by Thatcher, voting for Tories and expecting a better result this time. Hope some of these lads can carry a tuna because they might have to sing for their fish supper. yeah my pun card is revoked ... I know.

that’s a good post, but my understanding is that fishermen here catch things like herring where the market is much greater abroad? I was just reading up on it and over 2/3 of fish eaten here is imported - cod, tuna, prawns etc. The graph on page 50 here🕸 is interesting for the breakdown of imports/exports.

fuck it no wonder i haven't had a lamprey dinner in ages

all this fish talk has give me a craving for tuna/mayonnaise/cucumber sarnie.

honestly don’t understand why i’m so fixated on lamprey. it just doesn’t seem like the trade thing i think it is.

fuck it no wonder i haven't had a lamprey dinner in ages

i read this with increasing desperation looking for it to prove my point. but other than the fact that i was incapable of understanding its data and graphs, i didn’t really find anything useful out.

https://www.eumofa.eu/documents/20178/132648/EN_The+EU+fish+market+2018.pdf

glad i don't dream about these things tbh

https://i.ibb.co/cDCNRLn/lamps.jpg

jesus, I refuse to eat an arsehole with teeth

they are obv intergalactic vampire aliens and no good will come from eating them

was just scrolling down a mile of FPBE type accounts in John Redwood's replies gleefully posting the answer to any fishing industry issues is to rejoin the single market and customs union. You'd think the LibDems would be polling much higher, cos some of these lads aren't letting it drop as easy as Kieth did.

people in bordeaux love lamprey but i think they get theirs from the river.

https://french-wine-love.com/2020/12/06/bordeaux-style-lamprey-lamproie-a-la-bordelaise-a-traditional-dish-from-my-region/

Don’t know what could have given you the idea that anus dentatus was a key British export I’m sure

I'm assuming a lot in Scotland voted SNP - same with farmers - as so many long term SNP strongholds are in those sorts of areas. Hence why a weaselly Weegie like Salmond's constituency was in the North East.

― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, January 15, 2021 10:58 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Salmond is from Linlithgow!

LOL. He's definitely not from Banff or Buchan, put it that way!

they are obv intergalactic vampire aliens and no good will come from eating them

Roll over calz and tell King Henry I the news.

if his old man hadn't eaten so much lamprey, the cunt wouldn't have fallen of his horse and died!

"a surfeit of lampreys against his physician's advice" is the most Real England from the medieval era and also a classic.

There's plenty mention in "1066 and all that "

xps interesting stuff re imports exports but the stuff that's caught in industrial quantities in EU waters, iirc, a lot of it goes to africa and asia. Those guys (again) will not see EU trade manouevres hit them as hard as the likes of fellas shipping live langoustines off to brussels, im not up to speed on this stuff anymore but the big pelagics very likely made out like bandits again at the expense of possible actual sustainable small scale local/quality producers, who've gained no extra rights at all really afaict?

Thats kind of where i think marketing to internal customers might have to be a way forward, other solutions arent yet clear without either a lot of pain or a lot of backtracking and without selling an awful lot of fairly high-end fish to british people very soon, that industry doesnt seem to have a future.

nb all info pulled out my arse i went out on the trawlers for exactly one trip, twasnt for me trevor