Beer in the new era

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Idk, anecdotal, obviously, but the two retail stores I hit up around me both say beer is flying off the shelves. They both do curbside pickup, delivery and a system where they list everything on the windows and do transactions from the door. Every time I've been there or walked past, there almost always is a line of 3-4 people waiting, even during weekday lunchtimes.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link

My local hype brewery has gone from extremely long lines at their remote brewery location (100 minute drive outside of my city) to overnight delivery plus limited distribution of cans/bottles to various specialty beer shops in my neighborhood.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link

Yeah, local craft delivery has been amazing. I always went at off hours and didn't sweat not getting every new hyped release, but not having to drive into NYC has been sweet.

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link

Hill Farmstead (probably the best brewery in the USA), has expanded their delivery area to Vermont, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link

It's paywalled, but here was an interesting local article:

The owners of Skeleton Key Brewery in Woodridge are working on a beer called "Plan for Everything." It is inspired, of course, by 2020.

Most of the suburban brewery's revenue before the pandemic came from its taproom, says co-owner Emily Slayton. Now, besides a few intermittent pints served on the patio, all of Skeleton Key's beer is canned and sold for at-home consumption.

Though it is making about the same amount of beer, the brewery is losing money, Slayton says. Profit margins are smaller on canned beer than draft.

Such is the case around Illinois, home to 286 of the nation's roughly 8,275 craft breweries. Bars and restaurants have been closed for indoor dining since October, and the reopening of concert and sports venues is not yet on the radar.

For craft breweries that sold beer to those establishments and have seen their own taprooms close, the situation has been a shot in the heart. Brewery owners wonder how much longer they can hold on.

"Can I make it through to March? Sure," Slayton says. "Beyond that, I don't know."

Closures throughout the industry could reach far in Illinois, which ranked 16th in the nation for craft beer production in 2019, according to data from the Boulder, Colo.-based Brewers Association. Craft breweries in the state generated almost $3.4 billion in economic impact and produced 421,809 barrels of beer that year.

So far, COVID-19 has not caused the onslaught of closures in the craft beer industry that it has in the restaurant world. Bart Watson, chief economist at the Brewers Association, tracked nine Illinois brewery closures in 2020, up from eight in 2019.

Watson expects that number to rise.

"I don't think we should confuse not dying with being healthy," he says. "The combination of pivoting strategy, to-go, some government support . . . has helped many at least kind of eke out existing this year."

To be sure, consumers have not stopped drinking craft beer. They are buying it at stores instead. Craft beer sales are up in stores about 16 percent year over year, according to research firm Nielsen. But those increased sales aren't nearly enough to make up for the loss of closed taprooms and restaurants.

Hopewell Brewing used to bring about 35 percent of its revenue through selling draft beer to bars and restaurants. Another 30 percent came from sales at its own Logan Square taproom.

"We loved being the pale ale or the IPA or the lager at a corner bar," says co-founder Samantha Lee. "That's really how we found our strength as a small business in a really competitive craft field in Chicago."

Hopewell has launched new revenue streams. It sells canned beer, merchandise and other local goods from a shop in its closed taproom. Still, Lee expects 2020 revenue to be down at least 15 percent from the $1.8 million it brought in during 2019.

Gross profit is likely to be down 45 percent, given the costs of packaging materials needed to can all of its beer.

"We can't keep operating this way. We're not profitable," Lee says. "Each time there's assistance or aid coming from the government it's literally just buying us time."

Nielsen has estimated that the U.S. alcohol market needs to sustain 22 percent volume sales growth across all booze categories to make up for the losses at closed bars, restaurants, sports stadiums and concert venues. The growth numbers, at about 13 percent, are not hitting the mark.

Craft brewers are hit the hardest by this slump, experts say. While grocery store shelves are dominated by domestic beers, craft brewers' business models are built around their taprooms and sales to bars and restaurants.

Sales to bars, restaurants and other venues account for less than 20 percent of revenue for the total beer industry, says Watson from the Brewers Association. That number rises to about 40 percent for craft breweries.

Furthermore, craft brewers without the distribution partnerships or production capacity to supply grocery or liquor stores likely aren't benefiting from increased sales in stores, says Danielle D'Alessandro, executive director of the Illinois Craft Brewers Guild.

When it comes to grocery shopping, consumer behavior has also shifted. People are shopping at fewer stores and browsing less, gravitating toward brands they know.

"If you didn't build your reputation for your brewery before COVID, it's really tough," says Josh Deth, founder of Revolution Brewing. "There's no sampling . . . so you can't try out new beers as easily. It's hard on the innovation pipeline."

Revolution typically releases new draft beers for people to try at its own bars and others, Deth says. Revolution's Logan Square brewpub is closed indefinitely, and its taproom is open only for curbside pickup.

One-third of Revolution's business typically comes from sales at bars, restaurants and other venues, Deth says. The two-thirds coming from store sales is not covering the loss. Revolution's sales were down 12 percent last year, and volume was down 18 percent, Deth says.

The brewery is finding other ways to get new beers to consumers. It is launching a variety pack of its session sour beers and selling specialty four-packs. Independent bottle shops are a bright spot, Deth says. Still, he misses the bars.

"The most powerful thing we can do for craft brewing is get bars back open safely," Deth says.

Like Revolution, Begyle Brewing has flagship beers that did well in stores last year, says owner Kevin Cary. It expanded to more stores, too.

The North Center brewer went from canning 2,500 cases of beer a year to 10,000. Still, 80 percent of Begyle's revenue came from its taproom, which is closed. Cary says the brewery ended 2020 with about a 30 percent loss overall.

He hopes the increased sales in stores helped Begyle reach new customers.

"We're going to be in a little bit of a hole if and when we get to the other side of this, so how do we dig out?" he says. "Maybe we made a new customer. . . .Maybe that turns into more visits in the future."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 14:05 (three years ago) link

Thanks for posting that. I've assumed that there was a gap in margins between kegged beer and packaged goods but had no idea they were this massive.

Some friends have been wondering if this pandemic will be the death of the three-tier system.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link

Given that there are some local (little, but not tiny) breweries that have started doing home delivery, I wonder.

I actually heard the author of that piece interviewed this afternoon (I'll try to find it).

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 21:08 (three years ago) link

I mean, sure, everything else I love is being ruined and/or completely crippled by the pandemic, so logically that would mean craft beer too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link

At least the beer is still good! I just ordered a 4-pack of Revolution's Apple Brandy Ryeway, rye ale aged in apple brandy barrels.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 21:15 (three years ago) link

Oh it is still very good indeed, just had some Cafe Deth and Deth by Cherries the other night! Just a lot of doom and gloom itt.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 21:19 (three years ago) link

lol

ps: @jon, the death of the three-tier system is something that i (and most/99% of beer nerds) would celebrate with much aplomb. it is archaic, backwards and rewards the macro-producers.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 22:17 (three years ago) link

Not arguing with that point at all, more the talk about the breweries struggling and the predictions about 3 Floyd's and others.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link

Hey Chicagoans, my friend Marty works for Metropolitan and they have a special beer coming out alongside their 12th anniversary.

Winter is hard but there's always the prospect of a bit of sunshine. @MetroBrewing is offering that this weekend. Come try a bit of Optimistic Prime with a portion of the proceeds benefiting @HopeForTheDay's mental health awareness education. Honored to have worked on this. pic.twitter.com/GKH7sFVxwE

— ũƝᵯȖȠɖʘשЇнҒר٭ṪỄ®Åƾ (@TrueMartyParty) January 21, 2021

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link

i'm super late to this but i've also never had a beer that went bad

i just finished a bottle of founders cbs that was bottled in late 2019 and i did not notice anything wrong with it

i feel like the carbonation/staleness is one thing, and sometimes a minor thing depending on the beer style, but completely undrinkable is rare

we have some local breweries serving beer that tastes way better fresh, but the not-so-fresh ones don't necessarily taste bad nor will they get you sick

i used to go down to seattle sometimes to pick up other US beers and the cost of beers, at least at breweries, down there is insanely expensive

Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:42 (three years ago) link

I posted here long ago about a Mikeller beer I found at the 99 Cent store, and while it wasn't bad in the spit it out or make you sick way, it was clearly past its drink-by date. It was one of their single hop IPA series, and I don't remember looking for a bottling date, but I suppose the previous retailer (or Mikeller themselves) realized it was hurting the brand and had it shipped to 99C to get rid of it.

nickn, Saturday, 23 January 2021 08:18 (three years ago) link

It's surprisingly hard to find beer that's not past its sell-by date at some local beer stores around where I live. At one store near me, I would say more than 50% of the beers that have a sell-by date that I checked on a recent visit were past the date. That doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence to buy the beers that don't have a sell-by date either. You usually have to look pretty closely to find the sell-by (or "best by" date), it's often stamped faintly on the bottle or can itself, so you have to remove it from the box to check. I guess most people don't know or care enough to check.

o. nate, Saturday, 23 January 2021 21:55 (three years ago) link

Aging is 100% dependent upon style.

IPAs (esp. ones made in 2021*) are 100% not made for aging/shelf stability. They should be consumed ideally within a few weeks of purchase. A can (vs. bottle) may extend that life somewhat.

*Big, huge triple+ "IPAs" from the mid-2000s like Dogfish Head 120 have a malt bill and ABV that can withstand some aging, basically it starts to morph from an IPA into an American Barleywine.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 23 January 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link

My parents have been in California for three months helping my sister take care of her kids during the pandemic. They passed through town on their way home and left a case of Pliny here. ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Sunday, 24 January 2021 00:27 (three years ago) link

I just picked up some Other Half collabs with the likes of Monkish, Cellarmaker, Trillium, etc. I've been focusing on sub-8% IPAs lately, but these are pretty good.

Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Sunday, 24 January 2021 01:08 (three years ago) link

I do like it when some of my all double IPA all the time faves downshift and release something simple or, well, clear, like a pilsner or west coast IPA or other <7-8% offerings.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 January 2021 03:34 (three years ago) link

mango
raspberry
cheesecake

smoothie

sour
ale

Gross.

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link

"Place all remaining Theme Mango Cheesecake cans in a closed box and place immediately in a secured garbage container or dumpster outside."

... regardless of when you purchased this beer.

nickn, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link

ban beer

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:18 (three years ago) link

(Before disposing of any cans of Theme Mango Cheesecake, please put on protective gloves and a face shield (or goggles and a mask);

I mean, this part raised my eyebrows more than the secured garbage container.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:35 (three years ago) link

Sometimes there is nothing better than a nice lager imo

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 30 January 2021 00:42 (three years ago) link

I drink them so infrequently (less than I should), but when I do they are like an oasis.

Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Saturday, 30 January 2021 00:52 (three years ago) link

I thought I was out of the game but then yesterday I spent $112.80 for 4x Pliny The Younger 510ml bottles (plus 8 other Russian River beers) to be delivered to my house.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 01:53 (three years ago) link

pliny the younger on home delivery; what a world

call all destroyer, Saturday, 30 January 2021 02:07 (three years ago) link

👍

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Saturday, 30 January 2021 02:45 (three years ago) link

Did someone say beer

calstars, Saturday, 30 January 2021 03:32 (three years ago) link

Phase Three, one of the best local breweries, has not only started selling a 5% hard seltzer, not only started doing so in a smoothie style "jammed full" of fruit, not only started selling it for $21.99 a 4-pack, but had the absolutely audacity to actually call the line Lulz.

https://www.phasethreebrewingshop.com/uploads/1/3/3/1/133164180/s743319809657808125_p326_i1_w800.png

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link

I would mail order from Russian River and de Garde if they shipped out of state to WA. Sad face.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link

Metropolitan

i'm about to have one of their kolsch-ish beers

joygoat, Thursday, 4 February 2021 22:54 (three years ago) link

I dug into my cellar tonight, having kinda forgotten about it for a good long time.

2006 Thomas Hardy’s Ale:
Gone a bit sour, not totally unpleasant but not super desirable either. Mostly tastes like I imagine fermented prune juice would, with a hint of aspirin astringency. Not great. Finished most of the small bottle before dumping the dregs.

2009 Cantillon Lou Pepe Framboise
Bit of suspicious mould on the cork as I open it. Smells like .... olives? Wtf. Tastes also like olives, with some lambic flavour back. Fuck that, this one’s to clean the drains with.

2009 Cantillon organic Kriek
Much more like it. Still a difficult customer, very very sour and aggressive. After the initial shock there’s a fun jolly rancher kind of sweet/sour play on the palate and a nice firm bitterness to close off the mouthful. I don’t think anyone was meant to get through a whole 750ml bottle on their own. We’ll see if tomorrow the whole thing has gone funky with the introduction of some oxygen, but tonight the one glass will do me fine.

Guys don’t @ me because I tazed my own balls alright? (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 15 February 2021 03:39 (three years ago) link

It's surprisingly hard to find beer that's not past its sell-by date at some local beer stores around where I live. At one store near me, I would say more than 50% of the beers that have a sell-by date that I checked on a recent visit were past the date. That doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence to buy the beers that don't have a sell-by date either. You usually have to look pretty closely to find the sell-by (or "best by" date), it's often stamped faintly on the bottle or can itself, so you have to remove it from the box to check. I guess most people don't know or care enough to check.

― o. nate, Saturday, January 23, 2021 4:55 PM (three weeks ago)

Wish I'd read this earlier because I recently got burned by buying a 6-pack that turned out to be over a month past its "best by" date (>1 year since it was canned). This was completely unexpected since a. I bought it in a grocery that's very beer-oriented where I assumed turnover was rapid, and b. this was a microbrew produced in my own gd borough! In fact I went to another store one block away and found a 6-pack of the same brand that was 11 months fresher.

The brand is Sixpoint Alpen-Flo Lager. It's supposed to be like a German Helles. It's quite all right, though somehow I can still tell it's a microbrew.

Josefa, Monday, 15 February 2021 04:07 (three years ago) link

yikes, pretend that was a block quote

Josefa, Monday, 15 February 2021 04:08 (three years ago) link

walked into my local tiny liquor store as they were getting a delivery of Heady and Focal. that would have been unheard of not long ago.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 20:43 (three years ago) link

Last week I had a chocolate-banana imperial stout. It was really quite good, exactly as promised, but came in a 16oz. can and it was just *too much.* I mean, I finished it, but the next morning I woke up and immediately thought, ugh, I never want that again. I gave one of my extra cans to a friend, who had the exact same reaction (he thought it might taste good mixed with a dark rum). I'm giving another one (it was a 4-pack) to another friend tonight, I'm curious to hear what he thinks.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 13:14 (three years ago) link

I saw on fb that this year's F-W Parabolas are out (three varieties) but my local Total Wine and Whole Foods doesn't have them. I'll be damned if I mail order beer.

nickn, Thursday, 4 March 2021 00:44 (three years ago) link

there are a few very local, new microbreweries that i want to be enthusiastic about further out in jersey near where i grew up. but their beer is just sadly not as good as the more established microbreweries. don't want to call them out, but what is the deal with that? is it really that hard to make a solid new england-style ipa?

treeship., Thursday, 4 March 2021 01:43 (three years ago) link

yes?

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 March 2021 01:50 (three years ago) link

yeah, i guess it is. makes me appreciate my favorite spots a lot more.

treeship., Thursday, 4 March 2021 01:56 (three years ago) link

Parabola is in supermarkets in SF, no variants though. They do have that absurdly priced club you can join if you are really ISO lol

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 4 March 2021 02:33 (three years ago) link

how far out in Jersey?

Carton and Kane are both kinda near the Jersey Shore/Asbury Park (and are both super good imho).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 4 March 2021 02:36 (three years ago) link

there are great breweries along the shore. i'm talking further out, mercer and hunterdon counties.

treeship., Thursday, 4 March 2021 02:38 (three years ago) link

i don't want to insult them. both are good for the communities, great spots for people to gather outside.

treeship., Thursday, 4 March 2021 02:38 (three years ago) link

there's a lot of breweries that are well-meaning and good for their communities whose beer i would never buy again. i don't think that's a bad thing per se. and i wouldn't hesitate to name them. they may not work for me but they seem to be working for a lot of other people.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 March 2021 02:49 (three years ago) link


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