I developed a misleading mnemonic where I always visualize construction workers catcalling woman passing by
"Hey hot stuff! Lookin' good, baby! I think you left the oven on! No, I think you are misremembering that you turned it off, I am pretty sure the oven is definitely still on, you could burn your house down! You should go in and check it! *whistles* You want fries to go with that shake? Why don't you wiggle back down to the house to check the oven? I know you are saying you turned it off but I think you're misremembering, it's definitely on!"
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:47 (three years ago) link
haha
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link
This helps :)
― THE DON IS GONE (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link
i think of someone turning the gas on but not lighting it, a little each day, so that someone gets nauseous and ill but doesn’t know why
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
i think of someone saying "can you pass the gaslight" and the other says "what gaslight?" and then first one says "oh, i guess you don't remember that either now"
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 18:16 (three years ago) link
I know about the play and movie but I confess that my main mental image of "gaslighting" involves, like, a Bic lighter and a frat bro in acid-washed jeans who thinks farting is hilarious
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
Mine is Ingrid Bergman, which I confess I prefer.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
your fart is Ingrid Bergman?
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
Notorious.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
Murder on the Orient Fartspress
― i'm so into fping right now (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
Lol.
I always think of someone shining a lamp in another person's face, the second person saying 'hey could you stop that,' and the first person going 'stop what' while continuing to shine the lamp.
― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
lol, not bad.
― Looks like I'm gonna be the filling in a missile sandwich! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
Robert Evans answers the thread premise with "no, but..."
Trump’s encouragement of violence against his opponents at home has been unsystematic. He has told his supporters to rough up reporters and suggested during the 2016 election campaign that his followers might like to make use of the Second Amendment of the US constitution (the right to bear arms) against Hillary Clinton. He has also described white supremacists as “good people”. But this bears no comparison to the hundreds of thousands of armed and uniformed stormtroopers and Squadristi that the Nazi and fascist leaders deployed on to the streets daily in the 1920s and early 1930s to intimidate, beat up, arrest, imprison and often kill political opponents.Hitler and Mussolini sought to transform their countries into perma-war states: a combination of education and propaganda on the one hand, and street-level violence and intimidation on the other, aimed to forge a new kind of citizen, one that was aggressive, regimented, arrogant, decisive, organised and obedient to the dictates of the state. GM Trevelyan poured scorn on Mussolini’s efforts to turn Italians into second-rate Germans, as the historian put it; but even in Germany this endeavour failed, except with a minority of Hitler’s most ardent followers.The society Hitler wanted was portrayed in the final minutes of Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will (1935), with endless serried ranks of uniformed SS troops marching across the screen like well-oiled automata. The reality was different, as the majority of Germans retreated from this dehumanising prospect into their own private lives.Trump by contrast has encouraged a warped vision of personal freedom: a society in which people aren’t subject to government regulation or supervision, where anarchy and confusion reign, self-restraint is abandoned, violence is unchecked, and self-aggrandising corruption permeates politics.
Hitler and Mussolini sought to transform their countries into perma-war states: a combination of education and propaganda on the one hand, and street-level violence and intimidation on the other, aimed to forge a new kind of citizen, one that was aggressive, regimented, arrogant, decisive, organised and obedient to the dictates of the state. GM Trevelyan poured scorn on Mussolini’s efforts to turn Italians into second-rate Germans, as the historian put it; but even in Germany this endeavour failed, except with a minority of Hitler’s most ardent followers.
The society Hitler wanted was portrayed in the final minutes of Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will (1935), with endless serried ranks of uniformed SS troops marching across the screen like well-oiled automata. The reality was different, as the majority of Germans retreated from this dehumanising prospect into their own private lives.
Trump by contrast has encouraged a warped vision of personal freedom: a society in which people aren’t subject to government regulation or supervision, where anarchy and confusion reign, self-restraint is abandoned, violence is unchecked, and self-aggrandising corruption permeates politics.
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2021/01/why-trump-isnt-fascist
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Saturday, 23 January 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
fuck off bob
― Left, Saturday, 23 January 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
TL:DR version = he loves fascism but is profoundly lazy
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Saturday, 23 January 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
We all just lived through four years of Trump's presidency, preceded by a year of campaigning. I, for one, don't need a hundred thinkpieces telling me what I saw happen. It was like being force fed sewage through a tube for five years.
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Saturday, 23 January 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
the focus on state power (either as protection against fascism or as “what fascism is” when it falls into the wrong hands) is misguided in the first place but the idea of trump as some kind of libertarian anti-statist (even just rhetorically) is total nonsense. the lock her up/build the wall/blue lives matter guy is big on personal freedom (even a warped version thereof) and an enemy of government regulation? I know those phrases are code for other things for the Right but there’s no need to adopt their framing
― Left, Saturday, 23 January 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
Otm
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 23 January 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link
Trump by contrast has encouraged a warped vision of personal freedom: a society in which *CERTAIN* people aren’t subject to government regulation or supervision, where anarchy and confusion reign, self-restraint is abandoned, violence is unchecked, and self-aggrandising corruption permeates politics.
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Saturday, 23 January 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
A substantial portion of the American population – and, indeed, a majority of members of the Republican Party – refuses to accept the election of president-elect Joe Biden. But that does not mean they want the constitution to be overthrown, merely that they don’t think it’s been employed fairly.
this is just embarrassing. this guy should never even try to write about american politics.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 23 January 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
unfortunately we're going to be talking about trump for the rest of our lives (at least, i will, i bet), if for no other reason than to try to keep what actually happened from being wildly distorted. i'm especially thinking about the children of maga who will likely grow up learning that trump was an american hero who was torn down by the jealous liberals etc. there's going to be a constant spew of disinformation and just plain ignorance. it's exhausting to even bear witness to or think about, even now, which is why i think there will be plenty of room for the idiocy to be nurtured and grow and mutate
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 January 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
it means they either don't understand the constitution or don't think it applies to them
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 January 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
oops, meant to otm that as well :)
xxxpost "and who's to say if they're right or wrong?!"
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
will otm
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 23 January 2021 21:26 (three years ago) link
ie there must be some whom the law protects but does not bind, and some whom the law binds but does not protect #RollingExplainingCosnervatism
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Saturday, 23 January 2021 21:37 (three years ago) link
Bob Evans, down on the farm
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Saturday, 23 January 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link
I greatly appreciate bellingcat's investigative work, but all the critics here are otm
― Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 23 January 2021 22:44 (three years ago) link
the New Statesman piece is written by *Richard* Evans, please adjust your Bob jokes for Dick ones
― get down, get down, get down / why piano wenza so? (breastcrawl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 22:56 (three years ago) link
Robert Evans answers the thread premise with "no, but..."Trump’s encouragement of violence against his opponents at home has been unsystematic. He has told his supporters to rough up reporters and suggested during the 2016 election campaign that his followers might like to make use of the Second Amendment of the US constitution (the right to bear arms) against Hillary Clinton. He has also described white supremacists as “good people”. But this bears no comparison to the hundreds of thousands of armed and uniformed stormtroopers and Squadristi that the Nazi and fascist leaders deployed on to the streets daily in the 1920s and early 1930s to intimidate, beat up, arrest, imprison and often kill political opponents.Hitler and Mussolini sought to transform their countries into perma-war states: a combination of education and propaganda on the one hand, and street-level violence and intimidation on the other, aimed to forge a new kind of citizen, one that was aggressive, regimented, arrogant, decisive, organised and obedient to the dictates of the state. GM Trevelyan poured scorn on Mussolini’s efforts to turn Italians into second-rate Germans, as the historian put it; but even in Germany this endeavour failed, except with a minority of Hitler’s most ardent followers.The society Hitler wanted was portrayed in the final minutes of Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will (1935), with endless serried ranks of uniformed SS troops marching across the screen like well-oiled automata. The reality was different, as the majority of Germans retreated from this dehumanising prospect into their own private lives.Trump by contrast has encouraged a warped vision of personal freedom: a society in which people aren’t subject to government regulation or supervision, where anarchy and confusion reign, self-restraint is abandoned, violence is unchecked, and self-aggrandising corruption permeates politics.https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2021/01/why-trump-isnt-fascist― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:18 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglinkfuck off bob― Left, Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:27 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Trump’s encouragement of violence against his opponents at home has been unsystematic. He has told his supporters to rough up reporters and suggested during the 2016 election campaign that his followers might like to make use of the Second Amendment of the US constitution (the right to bear arms) against Hillary Clinton. He has also described white supremacists as “good people”. But this bears no comparison to the hundreds of thousands of armed and uniformed stormtroopers and Squadristi that the Nazi and fascist leaders deployed on to the streets daily in the 1920s and early 1930s to intimidate, beat up, arrest, imprison and often kill political opponents.Hitler and Mussolini sought to transform their countries into perma-war states: a combination of education and propaganda on the one hand, and street-level violence and intimidation on the other, aimed to forge a new kind of citizen, one that was aggressive, regimented, arrogant, decisive, organised and obedient to the dictates of the state. GM Trevelyan poured scorn on Mussolini’s efforts to turn Italians into second-rate Germans, as the historian put it; but even in Germany this endeavour failed, except with a minority of Hitler’s most ardent followers.
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:18 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Left, Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:27 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Just want to say, this article was written by some guy named Richard Evans. Robert Evans would be the last person to say Trump wasn't a fash. Come on, people.
― peace, man, Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:16 (three years ago) link
thank u both for the correction
― Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:18 (three years ago) link
Apologies! I just wanted to make a joke about breakfast sausages.
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:24 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR6OBgypWlY
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:26 (three years ago) link
I was wondering.
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 January 2021 00:28 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/LyhxRDx.jpg
― shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 24 January 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link
Richard Evans's Third Reich Trilogy is quite good
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 24 January 2021 01:14 (three years ago) link
(bad Twitter follow, though, he was an anti-Corbyn melt and #resistance-y)
Melty old dick he may be but definitely knows a thing or two about fascism. The best living british historian of any profile imo
― Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 24 January 2021 02:01 (three years ago) link
my bad
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 January 2021 02:18 (three years ago) link
at Bob Evans yr fascism comes with two scrumptious sides
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 24 January 2021 02:25 (three years ago) link
Melty old dick he may be
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Sunday, 24 January 2021 02:52 (three years ago) link
Melty Old Dick is the best Pogues tune
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 24 January 2021 03:03 (three years ago) link
Lol
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 January 2021 03:14 (three years ago) link
Mouldy Old Dough
― shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 24 January 2021 03:21 (three years ago) link
I feel like "is Donald Trump literally hitler or not" kind of misses the point in the end. There are many different kinds of demagogues. He was bad. He wasn't Hitler, but he was bad enough.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 January 2021 03:30 (three years ago) link
if he was even as much as 45% of Hitler, our democracy woulda rolled over and died easily, without a fight
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 24 January 2021 03:32 (three years ago) link
"he was bad BUT AKSHUALLY..." article = fail
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 24 January 2021 03:33 (three years ago) link
"fuck off dick"
― Left, Sunday, 24 January 2021 06:42 (three years ago) link
so admittedly a big motivation for using the f word is in the hope of inspiring some kind of effect beyond what other words would be able to achieve but it's accurate enough that any quibbling over it is immediately suspect
do these people who think you can verify fascism with a checklist ever try comparing the various 20th century fascist regimes/movements with each other, or with their ideal version of fascism? pretty sure a lot of things that are universally considered fascist today would fail their test if they were this stingy in applying the word to the past
― Left, Sunday, 24 January 2021 06:55 (three years ago) link
Robert Evans would have started off discussing whether or not Trump was a fascist, but would have gotten distracted and then talked about how much he loved Ali McGraw for a few hours
― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Sunday, 24 January 2021 07:19 (three years ago) link