Free as a Dodo: UK Politics Welcomes 2021

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And Keith has been owned by Boris

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link

Cases by specimen date at least are down from the 70-80k reported on a couple of recent days. However where I am has been rising and rising recently with no signs of getting over the peak. (I remember when cases approaching 5k was worrying :( )

Some of the highest death days (by date of death) about a week or so ago are 800+ and still rising.

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:37 (three years ago) link

Almost one in 660 people in the UK have died from Covid or Covid-related causes so far during the pandemic. The UK now has one of the worst Covid mortality rates in the world, at 151 per 100,000 people, ahead of the US, Spain and Mexico where there are 116, 113 and 108 deaths per 100,000 people respectively.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link

It's from this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/uk-coronavirus-deaths-pass-100000

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link

xp 2,639,309 vaccines as of yesterday though.

Christ it's depressing isn't it? I had a friend in Germany who was letting me know what they were doing in the first wave and it was so much better managed with relatively few deaths.

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link

have you seen the death toll for new zealand (25) or taiwan (1/3rd population of uk, 7 deaths total)?

koogs, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link

I have now!

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link

hitting six figures in deaths even after fucking with the stats so that people who died with covid outwith four weeks of diagnosis is some achievement, well done uk

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:43 (three years ago) link

er, deaths outwith four weeks don’t count, I meant to say

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link

Well done us

prize-winning marconi bakery (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:46 (three years ago) link

Feel like we might have 3000+ deaths per day before the end of the month at this rate, while Tories brag about the vaccination rate.

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link

ONS still records it by death cert but there's more of a lag.

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:00 (three years ago) link

great

Keir Starmer is set to have a weekly column in The Telegraph

Via @Independent pic.twitter.com/VluRdHNCbQ

— Politics For All (@PoliticsForAlI) January 13, 2021

scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:37 (three years ago) link

hmmm wonder what message this sends out

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link

It's almost as if ...

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link

having the option of voting for one of two Tory parties, the fucking LibDems or whatever Farage's latest grift is - the state of UK parliamentary democracy in 2021

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link

Can't be a banana republic if you can't actually redeem the banana

One thing I touched on with the Prime Minister was ways to course correct on the voucher scheme. If families can't access food consistently likelihood is they do not have access to a printer to print the vouchers at home. @10DowningStreet agreed to look into this.

— Marcus Rashford MBE (@MarcusRashford) January 13, 2021

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link

Who the fuck has a printer these days anyway? Well maybe everybody idk but I haven't had one for over ten years.

Kier would be twenty points ahead if he was leading the Conservative Party

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link

Really doesn't make sense to do any shifts like this, the world in 2024 will be v different and perhaps far more hostile to austerity.


i thought her speech was pretty good?

continuation of john mcdonnell’s fiscal rules, sensible view that low inflation is baked in in the near term, and that debt can be paid back over the long term. ensuring sustainability is a scoring measurement for investment, and investment is based on infrastructure designed to benefit wider economy. there’s some tonal stuff about managing spending better than what i would call the pork barrel politics of the tories, but on the whole unless i’m misreading something it seems to be doing what you’re asking for?

Fizzles, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link

I'm a bit of a new variant sceptic or at least I think it has been cynically used as a cover for the govt's ham-fisted handling of the pandemic since autumn, well since it started to be more accurate.


some grist to your mill calz

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/increase-covid-cases-not-due-variant-who/

Fizzles, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link

Dodds is still banging on about caution and reminding us all that the zero interest rates won't last forever, maybe true but I get the feeling some of these wankers are so fond of making "difficult decisions" they'll make them long before that happens and she needs to stop talking the Tory line on New Labour - that they were fiscally irresponsible - it's a pointless self own and a lie.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:17 (three years ago) link

Did you listen to any of those Carney Grief Lectures on R4 Fizzles? Economists and bankers these days often find ways of saying fuck all with plenty of words, but this mediocre cunt is like some malfunctioning corporate AI bot that is scared it might self-destruct if it says something original or interesting.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link

it's my own fault for listening of course

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link

might be a good one to play next time I'm suffering from insomnia

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link

heard one minute of mark carney and vowed to stay off radio 4 for a while, have not regretted it.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:21 (three years ago) link

oh i couldn't live without a printer

plax (ico), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:24 (three years ago) link

i mean i could obviously

plax (ico), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:24 (three years ago) link

Unlike all the families on starvation vouchers!

a degree in bullshit from glasters uni (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:30 (three years ago) link

Good point

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link

when I used to buy online tickets for the swimming baths or the trampoline arena - I'd put the barcode onto my kindle, but I almost came unstuck recently when an e-bay seller sent me the wrong size of jeans and then told me print out the return label. But when I told them I had no printer they were decent and give me a full refund and said perhaps give the jeans to a charity shop - decent but I have the bloody jeans still obv maybe the charity shop donation will happen in some better times.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:47 (three years ago) link

Don't Snappy Snaps or similar places have a printer service? No reason why families on the breadline should have to pay for that kind of thing obviously.

a degree in bullshit from glasters uni (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link

Libraries too.

koogs, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 23:55 (three years ago) link

Aren't the library buildings closed for the same reasons the schools should be?

new variant (onimo), Thursday, 14 January 2021 00:02 (three years ago) link

if you really want that quarter of a carrot get down to your local library that was closed in 2012 ffs!

calzino, Thursday, 14 January 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link

Did you listen to any of those Carney Grief Lectures on R4 Fizzles? Economists and bankers these days often find ways of saying fuck all with plenty of words, but this mediocre cunt is like some malfunctioning corporate AI bot that is scared it might self-destruct if it says something original or interesting.


lol no i didnt. perversely now i want to. i think there’s a bad bias towards not rocking some sort of fictional boat, which probably comprises stock market, financial media and politicians figures, just generally the people you’ll be speaking to on a daily basis who have a shared set of “obvious” a priori assumptions about how economics should work as a self-contained view rather than economics being comprised of people, and an understanding of which needs to serve people, and yes “people” here includes businesses. but i feel there’s a lot of C-level assumptions about How Business and The Economy Should Work which the little people don’t get that drive this sort of thinking no matter the hand waving to social responsibility or inequality. it’s a sort of cartel which will always prioritise self interest. (it’s another argument for more citizens group power or assemblies imo).

the question for me is whether someone like dodds or indeed labour more generally have the ability to maintain a focus on the economy being people, and build policy on that basis. or whether soft assuasion of the FT type world will result in no more than what you might term fluffy neoliberal toryism (and the FT are masters at dropping periodic “current financial assumptions are failing people” editorials without that meaning *anything* substantial).

a strong reason to feel it might not work is the nature of the people involved, which is why litigating kieth’s personality is an understandable battleground even if it’s a v dull field to examine. i do think dodds is a serious politician and one of the few in parliament anywhere (subsequent to mcdonnell) who could do the job.

she’s not necessarily *charismatically potent* (tho im uncomfortable saying this and wonder how much gender prejudice comes into this view) but policy will be vital here.

Fizzles, Thursday, 14 January 2021 05:10 (three years ago) link

xxp no libraries are not closed, my sister works in one and is still going in

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 14 January 2021 08:11 (three years ago) link

Mine is open but in a very limited way (by appointment only)

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 14 January 2021 08:18 (three years ago) link

calz' point might be more pertinent

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/dec/06/britain-has-closed-almost-800-libraries-since-2010-figures-show

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 09:32 (three years ago) link

lol we’re aware

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 14 January 2021 09:37 (three years ago) link

Can people afford to self-isolate? If they can't, breaking covid chains of transmission is all but impossible. So what is the data saying? We've been looking into Self Isolation Support Payments - latest piece @BBCNewsnight tonight - the upfront £500 for people who must isolate

— Katie Razzall (@katierazz) January 13, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 14 January 2021 09:39 (three years ago) link

brb working on a hot take that public library closures over past decade were sensible forward thinking by govt which mitigates spread of covid

J.G Ballard otm (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 14 January 2021 09:48 (three years ago) link

how about we just give everyone a single jab and then let good old fashioned british pluck do the rest

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 January 2021 10:06 (three years ago) link

Clinical trials revealed the efficacy of the vaccine was substantially higher, at 90%, in a subgroup of people who received half a dose followed by a full dose, rather than two full doses, which had an efficacy of 62%.

But Prof Wei Shen Lim, the chair of the Covid-19 immunisation group of the JCVI, told MPs further analysis by AstraZeneca showed the improved protection came from spacing out the doses.

“People who had the half dose then full dose were those who were vaccinated at a longer time interval, roughly six to 12 weeks, and what they’ve seen in their data is that people who have the second dose later probably have a three times higher antibody level than those who were vaccinated earlier. So if anything, it suggests that increasing the dose interval is beneficial,” he said.


Hang on, what? The participants given the half dose followed by full dose also had the 2nd dose later?

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 14 January 2021 10:17 (three years ago) link

I read that as 2nd dose makes it full dose?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 14 January 2021 10:26 (three years ago) link

Yeah sorry I mean later as in after a longer interval, that’s what I’m confused about - the people (accidentally) on a different dosing regime also had differently spaced shots?

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 14 January 2021 10:30 (three years ago) link

Does anyone here have relatives etc who have been sent their vaccination appointment letters?

My girlfriend’s parents have been isolating/shielding basically since this all started as one of them has a lung condition, and they’ve been anxiously waiting for the letter.

A few days ago one of their neighbours texted them saying ‘call this number’, which took them through to someone at Guy’s Hospital who just checked what borough they were in against a list, and then was like ‘yep when do you want to come in?’ and gave a load of available slots. So they’re going in on Monday, their neighbour is going tomorrow and they’ve since been sent the number by someone else...

Anyone else heard about this, I’m assuming it’s not some elaborate scam, but googling the number it seems legit.

crisp, Thursday, 14 January 2021 10:30 (three years ago) link

Yeah sorry I mean later as in after a longer interval, that’s what I’m confused about - the people (accidentally) on a different dosing regime _also_ had differently spaced shots?


This is the Oxford vaccine, iirc they tested a number of intervals (which was deliberate) alongside the different dosing (a fuckup) which is why they are confident in saying 12 weeks for 2nd is fine.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 14 January 2021 10:33 (three years ago) link

Right I just think it’s strange that they’re saying none of the group of 3,000 people who were given the half dose were spaced at 3 weeks (as presumably many of the larger group were)? And also that they didn’t think to mention this fact in November? The whole study seems to have been run very strangely

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 14 January 2021 10:43 (three years ago) link

Does anyone here have relatives etc who have been sent their vaccination appointment letters?

My dad (88) has ahd both his injections: first before Christmas, second last week. He lives in Cornwall where they seem to be pretty on-the-ball about this.

mahb, Thursday, 14 January 2021 10:44 (three years ago) link


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