I could do the DOOM one if a poll runner is needed (yes, after year end shenanigans). I haven't run one before.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 10 January 2021 16:05 (three years ago) link
Ok so after year end stuff. we're gonna have the MF DOOM one. then can we run the grunge poll or are we still trying to go in order with the list that was posted a year ago in this thread?
― a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 21:11 (three years ago) link
I think its better to go with the order as it was as people have waited years, but obviously some may want to be bumped down the list as well.
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
I like the idea of the grunge poll coming right after hair metal/hard rock poll though. Maybe we could arrange that?
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 21:26 (three years ago) link
no rush on my part if I'm doing DOOM
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 15 January 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
ILM isn’t so busy that we couldn’t do multiple polls at a time, no?
― All cars are bad (Euler), Friday, 15 January 2021 21:30 (three years ago) link
i think anything is open. is bee ok around to update the list? a lot of the users listed to run these arent here anymore
― a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 21:32 (three years ago) link
a bifurcated process, interesting
― Karl Malone, Friday, 15 January 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link
Im on that list under different usernames so it might be the same for others
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 22:44 (three years ago) link
There are almost certainly further folks quietly observing, keen to eventually run things they suggested in, like, 2014. eg. the Nick Cave poll a few weeks ago!
There is no real order specified up top any more. I mean, I ran two in 2020 that were on the list for a matter of months, if that. BUT they were during periods where many weeks had passed without anyone else declaring a wish to proceed.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 15 January 2021 23:58 (three years ago) link
this board is a living animal that keeps evolving. DOOM could be next because of the circumstances. this thread sorts of has a handle on the timing, just say you want to run a poll and if no one objects then its a go. i don't like the idea of more than one at a time but i'm only one person. anyways, this is all mute until after the year end polls, this will start up again after that.
i will post an updated list in a few weeks.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 16 January 2021 06:08 (three years ago) link
I'm still down to do the no wave poll even though a bunch of stuff has skipped ahead ... I just figured someone would contact me or something and let me know it was my turn ... nbd
― sarahell, Saturday, 16 January 2021 06:57 (three years ago) link
DOOM should be asap imo
― shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 16 January 2021 07:13 (three years ago) link
get in before he reveals his death was a hoax
Maybe it's time to reinstate a running order extending several polls ahead. Might help in getting long-delayed polls firmly back on the agenda AND reduce stagnant periods, which have sometimes been quite protracted recently.
If I was in charge I'd actually just allocate a calendar month for each poll. Possibly starting March 1st, seeing as EOY polls seem to extend through much of Feb. And then a new poll from the 1st of each month. Easy. And no guesswork or waiting around. If a poll-runner was contemplating a weirdly bloated voting period or rollout, they'd know to expect the potential* distraction of the next month's poll, which would start regardless. :)
*very few are interested in every single poll, after all.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 16 January 2021 09:15 (three years ago) link
so you are saying it should read like this?
March: Hard Rock/Hair Metal - gr8080
if gr8080 is still around then he can say i'll do it or ask someone to take his place in running it?
April: Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
i would love another Gukbe poll
― Bee OK, Sunday, 17 January 2021 01:26 (three years ago) link
Kinda. You'd presumably still need to negotiate who goes into given slots. I'm just wondering out loud whether an actual date rather than "whenever X and Y has finished" might improve turnaround and reduce stagnant periods.
It sometimes feels like the next poll to go ahead has been dictated a little too much by whoever happens to visit this thread in quiet periods. I mean, I've benefited from this myself, but I happily concede that I probably shouldn't have had the opportunity to run 4 polls in 2 years, typically on short notice, while sarahell and charlie rex (for example) have been waiting far, far longer. And seemingly mainly because I've been attentive to this thread when things have stagnated!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 17 January 2021 02:07 (three years ago) link
the problem has been that a lot of the people who signed up years ago haven't been around so 'everyone just waits their turn' stopped working years ago leading to the current system of people just run one when there's a gap and they want to do it
― ufo, Sunday, 17 January 2021 03:13 (three years ago) link
Some names are surely inactive. But there are plenty of recent signs that others really *have* been waiting patiently. The aforementioned No Wave poll was suggested in 2014. Oor Neechy mentions being on the list under multiple aliases. And the last two 2020 single-artist polls had been on the list for absolutely ages: Nick Cave since '14, The Cramps since '16.
Looking back to the original thread it's striking how tight the operation was in the early days. Amazing.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 18 January 2021 01:29 (three years ago) link
last day to vote over in ILM's 2020 End of Year Tracks & Albums Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD
― timber euros (seandalai), Friday, 22 January 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
Precursors to the numbered list:A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)2. The Beatles - Mark G (finished)3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)5. The Beach Boys - iatee (finished)6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)13. The Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)16. The Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)42. Stax - seandalai (finished)43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (finished)47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h (finished)49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom (finished)50. Steely Dan - Bee OK (finished)51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra (finished)52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain (finished)53. Outkast - Spottie (finished)54. Autechre - Leee (finished)55. Brian Eno - WmC (finished)56. Radiohead - nate woolls (finished)57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom (finished)58. "Epics" - Leee (finished)59. XTC - Οὖτις (finished)60. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK (finished)61. Yo La Tengo - Van Horn Street/clemenza (finished)62. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt (finished)63. Ramones - tipsy mothra (finished)64. Italo - daavid (finished)65. P-Funk - Οὖτις (finished)66. Metallica - pplains (finished)67. Spoon - Bee OK (finished)68. Queen - charlie h (finished)69. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds (finished)69B. Pixies - Johnny Fever (finished)70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy (finished)71. Tom Petty - rogermexico. (finished)72. The Smiths - nate woolls (finished)73. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK (finished)74. Stereolab - Moka (finished)75. Van Halen - Johnny Fever (finished)76. Devo - soref (finished)77. Can - Z S Moka (finished)78. Oasis - Bee OK (finished)79. George Michael - Ismael Klata (finished)80. The Stooges/Iggy Pop - Moka (finished)81. Leonard Cohen - Simon H. (finished)82. Talking Heads - Bee OK (finished)83. Blondie - nate woolls (finished)84. Van Morrison - kornrulez6969 (finished)85. Wu-Tang Clan - Spottie (finished)86. Joy Division – Bee OK (finished)87. The Smashing Pumpkins - ufo (finished)88. Björk – Eric H (finished)89. Beatles solo careers - Οὖτις (finished)90. Elvis Presley - Euler and Moka (images) - (finished)91. Tori Amos - ufo (finished)92. They Might Be Giants - sic (finished)93. The B-52's - Bee OK/Karl Malone (finished)94. Belle and Sebastian - Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)95. Songs Under 2 Minutes - Karl Malone (finished)96. The Burt Bacharach songbook – WmC (finished)97. Beck – Bee OK (finished)98. The Go-Betweens - Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)99. Cat Power – Leee (finished)100. Prefab Sprout – Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)101. Jimi Hendrix - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)102. Underworld – sic (finished)103. Janet Jackson – Eric H. (finished)104. The Replacements – Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)105. The Cramps – Moka (finished)106. Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party/et al – charlie rex (finished)
-----------------------------------Hard Rock/Hair Metal - gr8080Stephin Merritt - GukbeFairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy DodsGenesis + solo - NickBDead C - Raymond CummingsRoyal Trux + side projects - sleeveJohn Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?Rush - Matt #2Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfanBilly Joel - Doctor CasinoLow - aldoNine Inch Nails - chapREM - rogermexico. Hideous Lump added to do imagesShoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OKCovers - kornrulez6969New Pornographers/AC Newman - C. Grisso/McCain added as poll runnerNo Wave - sarahellDFA - Van Horn StreetMisfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080Erykah Badu - Eric H.Herbie Hancock - crütAphex Twin - Stevie DThe Jesus and Mary Chain - Bee OKJimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - SpottieSiouxsie & the Banshees/The Creatures - LeRooLeRooAM Radio Gold - Jeff WEurovision - nxdSteve Albini - nate woollsYellow Magic Orchestra - frogbsByrds + offshoots - kornrulez6969Cardiacs + affiliated - imagoTropicalia/MPB - Frederik BChic Organization - pollrunner needed for this oneFrench/Francophone - Van Horn StreetThe Cars/Ric Ocasek - crütTim Buckley - Naive Teen IdolThe Cramps - MokaBristol trip-hop - chapWire - kornrulez6969jungle/drum 'n bass - Le Bateau IvreSuede - Bee OKRobyn Hitchcock - campreverbPower Ballads - rogermexico.Grunge - Cosmic SlopArtists poll - Dan WorsleyKylie Minogue - BradNelsonMath-rock/Hardcore/Post-Hardcore poll - OdysseusPhil Spector - crütGlen Campbell - ― SpottieZZ Top - rogermexico.QOTSA/Desert Sessions - rogermexico.T Rex - Naive Teen IdolBardo Pond – LeeeSuper Furry Animals – wtev added as poll runnerNu Metal Trax – MordyLinda Ronstadt – crütNew Wave (just can’t get enough) Albums and Singles - Bee OKeasy listening/adult contemporary – dylSerge Gainsbourg - Camaraderie at Arms LengthGalaxie 500/Luna - Bee OKGirl Groups singles poll - Dan WorsleyPhil Elverum - devvvineWussy - clemenzaBroadcast - Nag! Nag! Nag!
*added since last update:
Punk Rock Tracks Poll (1977- 1984) – WmCPsychedelic Rock – LeeeMP Doom – Chris L. or maffew12?
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 03:15 (three years ago) link
not sure if WmC or Leee really signed up but there weren't a lot of things added this last year. if you want to be removed just let me know and i'll update.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 03:17 (three years ago) link
cramps was recently done by moka
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 03:21 (three years ago) link
it's there number 105, just didn't delist it. thanks for letting me know.
my spelling error for MF Doom is quite funny to me.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 03:24 (three years ago) link
I don't remember signing up for punk tracks. Take me off -- I'm done running polls unless it's to rerun Bacharach every few years.
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 03:48 (three years ago) link
Can you put me down to do Sparks, seems like a good year to do it.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 08:23 (three years ago) link
I suggested MF Doom but am not able to do it myself.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 12:06 (three years ago) link
bravo once again Bee OK for keeping up the list!please mark Billy Joel unclaimed next time around --- i'm definitely satisfied with having run the career-spanning listening thread. i would say just take it off the list, but if someone else wants to do it, they totally should!
― honk honk honkin' on Bobo's door (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 13:16 (three years ago) link
Where's Stevie D, can we bump Aphex up?
― octobeard, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 04:29 (three years ago) link
since the Metal poll is never going to close, anyone ready to go for the next one? i really think MF Doom should go next but open to anything at this point.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 03:36 (three years ago) link
or maybe we should do Daft Punk but someone will need to volunteer for that one.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 17:30 (three years ago) link
^^ force it onto DJP imo
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
Have we not done Rundgren? I’m still scared of running a poll but could maybe be convinced.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 27 February 2021 06:34 (three years ago) link
do it! they are really fun to run especially if you're a huge fan of said artist. i will say it's a lot of work but the rewards are worth it.
― Bee OK, Sunday, 28 February 2021 00:29 (three years ago) link
I'll vote in that one for sure.
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 February 2021 00:36 (three years ago) link
I'll also vote, especially if we have a sub-poll for "Favourite New Cars song".
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 28 February 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link
Ok I’m game. Do I have to wait in a queue? How we do decide these things?
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 28 February 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link
if you want to do it now you probably just can since no one else has volunteered to run one right now yet
― ufo, Sunday, 28 February 2021 04:48 (three years ago) link
The Ballot Of Todd Rundgren
― "what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 28 February 2021 05:48 (three years ago) link
Fuck, I think that's gotta be it.
Ok, I'll put this up tonight. Pray for me (or at least tell me how to run one of these things).
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 28 February 2021 06:18 (three years ago) link
2021 has started:The Ballot of TODD RUNDGREN: ILM ARTIST POLL #107 Nominations Thread
― Bee OK, Sunday, 28 February 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link
sorry i lost track here about getting the MF DOOM started. When would be a good time? April 1?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 10:56 (three years ago) link
the rundgren poll looks like it'll be done in about 3 weeks so as soon as it's done would be fine
― ufo, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 11:28 (three years ago) link
ok sure I'll keep an eye on its schedule
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 12:00 (three years ago) link
Wonder what would be the interest in a Loudon Wainwright III poll, apart from myself and NTI. I could try to run it (first time will be the charm), might not be able to do it until the summer.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 March 2021 20:17 (three years ago) link
I would follow results, would like to get into him. But wouldn’t be able to vote.
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Saturday, 20 March 2021 14:15 (three years ago) link
Voting just closed for the Todd Rundgren poll. What are best practices for rolling out the results? I have most of the ballots tabulated already, but will have to prep the results. Foe instance, are there better days to roll them out (ie, weekdays versus weekends)? And how quickly? I know that I tend to like slower results with more time for people to weigh in and comment. But I also don’t want to drag things out or slow down other polls. Thx in advance for suggestions.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 22 March 2021 22:38 (three years ago) link
However the pollrunner feels like or has time to roll them out imo, it's a feature not a bug that people run things differently.
(I always try to have my text and links and images ready at least a day at a time, and when possible to hold off on dropping a result until a bit of discussion on the previous result has had time to roll. Some people like to hit a certain pace of rollout and let the discussion fall where it may. Weekdays are usually better for engagement, but you'll probably catch some different commenters with a few results teased over a weekend.)
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 22 March 2021 22:46 (three years ago) link
i'm always an advocate for slow rollouts. better to have some days that are light on discussion have it all go by in a blur - IMO! i also don't think there's any issue with a results rollout happening simultaneous with another polls' voting period; the only thing that really necessitates Order And Timing (again IMO) is to avoid having multiple simultaneous *voting* periods, because making a ballot takes time and energy so they end up competing with each other and worsening all the polls. especially key for those of us who like to do some listening as we tinker intermittently with the ballots, or to haunt the voting thread for recommendations etc.
― this honking's on a bobo (Doctor Casino), Monday, 22 March 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
I hate doing fancy images to go with the rollout, so I was putting out Led Zeppelin results within an hour of getting out of bed after the deadline passed. Still took tracks ballots (well, one ballot) while I was rolling out album results.
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Monday, 22 March 2021 22:51 (three years ago) link