more like the Tory Wets Party with an equally shambolic leader imo
― calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:38 (three years ago) link
The Brexit issue was never a hard line between the parties. It would be unfair to guess what the differences are now because Kieth won't announce any policies until a general election is called, he'll just kvetch lamely in his silly voice
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:39 (three years ago) link
Don't even know why they bother, it's not like Tory voters will ever pivot to Labour. The other way round, yes. All they're doing is alienating their actual voter base.
― fish quits shock (Matt #2), Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:43 (three years ago) link
I'm excited to read the first think piece about how mocking Kieth's voice is middle class privilege or something
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:44 (three years ago) link
It's funny really that just over a year ago Kieth was working an FBPE crowd as a people's vote advocate. Paul Mason was in that crowd chanting Stop The Coup! and looking like a total bellend. Now Kieth has once again shown he is a pure careerist and I think he might he might have pissed off enough ppl now that he will be facing a leadership challenge before the next election.
― calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:49 (three years ago) link
I mean, I am aware that ending freedom of movement was among the chief motivators of Brexit and immigration in general appears to have become a dodgy issue even for nominally leftier continental parties such as La France insoumise, which is one of the more depressing signs of the times. Nor am I *entirely* averse to compromise if it means ousting the Tories (with the proviso that this kind of strategy is extremely dicey to begin with), but even if we generously allow for that, how far do you take the not-Corbyn line before you suddenly turn into the Lib Dems? Starmer is repeatedly hitting the same ceiling in the polls despite how conspicuously disastrous Johnson's handling of the pandemic has been on pretty much every front save for the vaccination campaign (relative to the rest of the Western world, that is), so at this point, it's like, why don't you take a fucking hint? Sorry for stating the obvious, but every time this guy comes up in my news feed, I just shake my head.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:51 (three years ago) link
Hopefully the challenge will come from Fozzie Bear
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:51 (three years ago) link
pom before Corbyn there were times when the Lib Dems were to the left of Labour on some positions, and not because the Lib Dems were good
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:53 (three years ago) link
Fair enough. I def wasn't paying attention to British politics during the Blair years, which all boiled down to complicity in the Iraq War when viewed from Canada.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link
Blair praised Thatcher, failed to address her assaults on the welfare state or trade unions and joined in several foreign adventures with death tolls in the millions which maybe offers some context to our feelings about Corbs
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:58 (three years ago) link
Starmer is auditioning for boris job, just not the way ppl would have imagined perhaps
― Daz White (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 January 2021 14:58 (three years ago) link
Its not just that he’s terrible opposition at a time when opposition is easier & more needed than ever - I’m not even convinced he would have handled the pandemic much better in Johnson’s place tbh
― Yelp for gyros (wins), Sunday, 10 January 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
The Leader of the Opposition should not be viewed as an audition opportunity, especially when there are elections in 3/4 years time. Why not press the government on what they are getting wrong on their response to the pandemic?
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 January 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
You could argue that national unity and all that rot had to prevail for the first couple months for purely strategic reasons but it's been almost a full year now, ffs. The death toll is staring you in the face.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 10 January 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
Exactly, I thought I was going out of my mind when ppl brought up 2024 as a defence for “constructive opposition” bollocks. Kim there’s people that are dying!
― Yelp for gyros (wins), Sunday, 10 January 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErYM-eGXUAAWDdJ?format=jpg&name=large
Kieth you've really changed for the worst I'm afraid... I just don't love you anymore!
― calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
The free movement pivot is just milliband racist mugs b/w it was only ever about stopping Corbyn
― Yelp for gyros (wins), Sunday, 10 January 2021 15:39 (three years ago) link
80k dead is a larger amount than your average parliamentary constituency.
Size of constituencies by electorateThe number of people able to vote (the electorate) differs by constituency. The Office for National Statistics gives the average electorate across constituencies of about:72,200 in England67,200 in Scotland68,300 in Northern Ireland56,000 in Wales
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Sunday, 10 January 2021 15:48 (three years ago) link
he's alienating or taking for granted the support of young/BAME/putatively lefty/Remain voters (who make up the greatest number of the membership that elected him leader) to signal he's very conservative to people in so called Red Wall constituencies that mostly will just vote Tory or whatever latest Farage right-wing pressure group is called anyway.
― calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 15:59 (three years ago) link
it's outrageous that this week our health service is looking at breaking point in multiple regions and only last weekend Kieth and his melt-idiot shadow education minister were still insisting schools needed to open and Green was even engaging in some good old population blaming/shaming for how bad the rona is. Astonishingly forensic.
― calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
As Starmer has abandoned one part of this pledge, be very worth asking him if he still sticks by "Full Voting Rights for EU Nationals" who are in the UK , and the closure of Immigration Detention Centres #AnotherFutureIsPossible https://t.co/RrK81657oc— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) January 10, 2021
― calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
lol ofc he doesn’t. he’d take away my voting rights if he thought it would help him win over a racist pensioner in chingford
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Sunday, 10 January 2021 16:51 (three years ago) link
straight after winning the leadership of the party he said hated selling himself to the membership and was much more comfortable leading rather than campaigning. Another point where one's shady Tory-cunt warning system was ringing loud enough to deafen one!
― calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link
Ha
1/ Think there are two ways of looking at Starmer saying there's "no argument for opening the [freedom of movement] aspects of the treaty".— Paul Cotterill (@Bickerrecord) January 10, 2021
― stet, Sunday, 10 January 2021 20:42 (three years ago) link
The first way is believe he's done a forensic reading of those aspects of the treaty and knows that it was worded in such a way that freedom of movement can return quietly in the next few years, and that it's best to let sleeping racists dogs lie in this respect.
can't tell if he's joking!
― calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
Chakrabarti’s Amendment 1 to the covert human intelligence sources bill in the House of Lords: content 153, not content 309. Chooses not to move Amendment 2. Labour told peers to abstain on the changes, which sought to remove the advance immunity proposed for undercover agents.— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) January 11, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 January 2021 20:07 (three years ago) link
Tommy Corbyn Tweeted about "Keith" today and it made him seem like a bit of a knobber, really.
He was Tweeting about Starmer wearing a purple tie, which seemed (to Tommy) to be a terrible thing.
I do think there were better things to slag Starmer off for today.
― djh, Monday, 11 January 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
It’s ‘Kieth’ - surprised Tommy got that bit wrong.
― scampopo (suzy), Monday, 11 January 2021 20:20 (three years ago) link
* checks *
He definitely typed "Keith". And his dad was definitely fond of a purple tie.
― djh, Monday, 11 January 2021 20:24 (three years ago) link
Tommy Corbyn got jumped on by every aggro centrist out there for tweeting this, I think Starmzy can handle an incredibly mild dig about his tie
Remember when people slated my Dad for leading protests against this fascist instead of attending a state banquet with him? Funny that. https://t.co/mGHFALrOUB— Tommy Corbyn (@TommyCorbyn) January 6, 2021
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Monday, 11 January 2021 20:24 (three years ago) link
I'd be disappointed in Tommy if he didn't either call him "Kieth" or "Keith" or "Sir Haircut" or even just "wanker" will do fine.
― calzino, Monday, 11 January 2021 20:27 (three years ago) link
he's only a citizen like anyone on here, being Corbyn's kid isn't exactly celeb status and he doesn't owe anything to the Labour Party, he's got just as much right to call him Keith as anybody has!
― calzino, Monday, 11 January 2021 20:29 (three years ago) link
Maybe? It seemed a waste.
― djh, Monday, 11 January 2021 20:35 (three years ago) link
It's only a frivolous post on twitter, and it's not as if a more pointed attack on Kent Starmer from crobywins son is going make a great deal of difference on this current labour shitshow
― calzino, Monday, 11 January 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link
He’s very sweetly protective of his dad and called Uncle Piers a knobber on social media.
― scampopo (suzy), Monday, 11 January 2021 21:19 (three years ago) link
lol poor Uncle Piers
― calzino, Monday, 11 January 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
when Corbyn was first elected as LOTO there was a short interview with Piers on Today and he sounded like a perfectly reasonable chap!
― calzino, Monday, 11 January 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link
I had an Uncle a bit like him as in a total commie in the 60's-70's then a bit of a crackpot in his later years but he definitely wouldn't have been an anti-lockdown loon had he lived into this pandemic era.
― calzino, Monday, 11 January 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
3 days of food for 1 family...Just not good enough. pic.twitter.com/Y7FJEFFAma— Marcus Rashford MBE (@MarcusRashford) January 11, 2021
Marcus is still doing Kieth's job for him and all the dreadful nutrition experts with union jacks on their profiles in the replies clearly know fuck all about trying to survive on poverty money. It's not the LOTO's job to pander to arseholes like this, if you aren't brave enough to challenge a Tory govt on austerity then you aren't fit for the fucking job.
― calzino, Monday, 11 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
https://play.acast.com/s/mandatory-redistribution-party/mandatoryredistributionparty.podbean.com%2F25dc012f-600f-527b-8a4f-be12f3cfa264
this podcast is from last year but it came to my attention earlier when people were posting about when Prescott punched the farm worker guy with the mullet who egged him. It's not terrible and makes some very good points.
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 01:12 (three years ago) link
Piers is will represented in this documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erp2utEgZp4
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 02:05 (three years ago) link
... and also Tony Wakeford from Death in June/Sol Invictus!
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 02:13 (three years ago) link
Marcus is still doing Kieth's job for him and all the dreadful nutrition experts with union jacks on their profiles in the replies clearly know fuck all about trying to survive on poverty money.
Strikes me that with the current labour leadership we basically need a Rashford for every issue - any footballers wanna tackle not giving the homeless shelter during lockdown?
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 11:10 (three years ago) link
if only there were more prem footballers with 4m followers on twitter that aren't complete arses who have worked out how to shame and put political pressure on Tories, but Marcus is as rare as principled and decent MP's in the Labour Party.
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 11:20 (three years ago) link
It turns out Rashford's complaint is not true, because one of the companies involved says so.
There are a lot of people seeking to whip a storm up on Twitter tonight. Too much to hope in age of instant outrage to wait for the facts before jumping in. DfE are likewise investigating. https://t.co/XxExbHgSzx— Simon Clarke MP (@SimonClarkeMP) January 11, 2021
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 11:24 (three years ago) link
I can't imagine some shady Tory donor company who are making a killing from poverty, lying out of their arses when they've been accused of immoral and corrupt practise .. no way.
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 11:29 (three years ago) link
Going out on a limb here but think the current horrible mess we're in is not as a result of two people having a socially distanced walk with a cup of tea or someone stopping to sit on an empty park bench for 5 minutes. https://t.co/R6hbY55eR2— tom jamieson (@jamiesont) January 11, 2021
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 11:43 (three years ago) link
Dunno about that pic.twitter.com/S5ct5w7uWM— Linus (@LinusRII) January 11, 2021
if gotchas on how long Johnson's been on his bike are the standard for UK political debate I think I'll skip the news for a bit
Strong whiff of Labour 96 to it
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 12:40 (three years ago) link
lol
Some very odd things going on around Starmer's Telegraph column. I happened to be on their website stealing content (disable JavaScript to stop the paywall) and saw his article. Ten minutes later it was gone. So I did some digging so buckle up: THREAD. But first the article. 1/?? pic.twitter.com/eSpmIyYfBy— It's real 🍊 🍊 🍊 (@StefGotBooted) January 17, 2021
― Un tranquillo posto di scampagna (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 January 2021 14:02 (three years ago) link