Ariel Pink

is the woman famous in some way?

― goole, Friday, 8 January 2021 6:59 AM (fifty-three minutes ago)

she's alex moyer, a filmmaker who wants ariel to score her next film apparently

Lol her only directorial credit is an incel doc called TFW NO GF so courting Pink at this point seems on brand

Apparently "Alex Moyer" is also a notoriously annoying roommate to have on The Sims.

https://www.laweekly.com/underage-drinking-on-christmas-eve-with-ariel-pink/

9:22 p.m.: Ariel was bullied when he was younger. He thanks his bullies now, because it taught him to grow a thick skin.

“I was a harmless little pipsqueak,” he says. “But thank goodness I had to experience that stuff. It made me who I am. I don’t want any injustice brought against the bullies. Bullies just don’t know any better. Anyone who is crying about police brutality or victimization as an adult needs to stop it and realize the privileges we have in this country.”

Jesus @ his father, what a piece of shit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.athwart.org/interview-alex-lee-moyer/amp/
“To me, it just comes down to people who are free thinkers vs. this new soft-core authoritarianism we’re living through, which is mostly just about the mainstream media and not even the general public. People just get called “right wing” anytime they don’t fall in line with the woke/liberal narrative.“

this thread is gonna be at the top of the new answers page all weekend isn't it

oh my god the antiwoke stuff just comes off an assembly line at this point jfc

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJwyTvylGIT/?igshid=vhcg1rw4cky4

lol this is tailor made for inzaniacs

One fun thing is the idea that Ariel Pink will get cancelled over this. He was "cancelled" almost ten years ago, that hasn't stopped him yet.

Still sad about John Maus tho'. Gonna be sad about John Maus for some time.

true. i still listen to "pitiless censors" on the semi-regular

One fun thing is the idea that Ariel Pink will get cancelled over this. He was "cancelled" almost ten years ago, that hasn't stopped him yet.

Tbf, I did see at least one venue on Twitter say yesterday that he's never coming back to their space. Apparently he had an indefinitely postponed show still scheduled from 2020 that was to be made up at some point, but they pulled the plug on it.

This will definitely change how both he and Maus are covered in the indie-rock press which I imagine would not be a trivial change for them

My point is more about why they were letting him play their space in the first place. We all knew he was a misogynist vicious awful bigot already. If they're happy for him to play then, but not when he's a Trump-supporting misogynist vicious awful bigot, well, their politics don't seem that strong to me.

I get it. But finally getting cancelled for a less valid reason is still better than not getting canceled at all, no?

Honestly, I don't know. Right now I'm just feeling a bit fatalist, like, it only matters if people make a big deal of it, and only for the amount of time it's in the news cycle, then everyone forgets again and he goes back to playing and being written about normally, and it's all useless and nothing changes.

The LA Weekly profile on AP is substantially worse than being a Trump supporter imho (nb: that profile suggests there is ANOTHER v. unflattering profile of him in their archives).

I get the pessimism emil.y but short of inventing a time machine to go back and force the issue ten years ago, I think we just have to settle for him being deplatformed a decade too late.

I suspect the avant/arty sheen on his stuff has helped protect him, a lot.

I read most of this thread yesterday and it was v demoralizing to see how far back the calling-out and subsequent hand-waving went. It was also instructive though, showing how '10s culture could be a trojan horse for vile ideas (the 2012 argument I mentioned earlier was about AP espousing what we'd now unhesitatingly call incel ideology in a Wire interview) and how fandom aligns people who might disagree on politics in other contexts but become united through their affection for an artist: you can see posters communing upthread in their enjoyment of the music while their defenses of his public rhetoric range from "he's a creep but I love the tunes, hope he stops doing interviews" to "what he said is fine."

I didn't play videogames when gamergate happened, and found it easy at the time to be unsurprised by and contemptuous of sexist/racist gamers. So while I've never liked AP, it was useful to see the dynamic play out over the years on this message board I know well and feel mostly at home on. TBC: I'm not saying any ilxors were radicalized by AP fandom and I'm not trying to shame anyone for liking his music years ago, I genuinely found it useful to see how culture could operate in this way.

Again I couldn’t care less about Ariel Pink because I didn’t already. John Maus hasn’t released anything that I care about in a decade, but I still think “we must become...” is a great album with many songs I love like “hey moon” or “believer”. There’s many instances where I can separate art from artist but the ideologies from the alt right are so toxic and irredeemable that it becomes a killjoy and it’s naive to blame this on Ariel Pink’s influence over a 40 year old man.

it's telling that even now I still think of AP as a clueless art kid, he's 42 lol

almost an OAP

At the end of the day "Hey Moon" is about the only Maus song I can't live without, but I can always go to the Molly Nilsson original for my fix.

Good for Nilsson's label, DSA, who have just repressed/reissued the "Hey Moon" 7" single, with all proceeds going to BLM.

Tbf Molly Nilsson seemed like kind of a dick when my friend put her on, but I don't know if there's any political edge to that (hell, it might even just have been an off day, I know I probably come across like a dick sometimes when I'm playing on a bad day)

probably the worst thing pink has publicly done was when he made 'forcibly kissing all the girls in the front row' an every night occurrence on the before today tour in 2010 at the height of his hype, pretty reprehensible

i still don't believe maus is a trump supporter or anything but he's certainly a huge credulous dumbass and it's exactly in line with how he's been in the past

based on what friends who know them have told me -- it's like reason #43282 not to do cocaine. I guess at least being a supporter of fascism there's way less cognitive dissonance being a massive cokehead than for self-proclaimed leftists who also do lots of coke.

Funnily enough, I'm dealing with a self-proclaimed leftist who does lots of coke right now, and me and all of his friends can't make him understand why posting Burzum album covers without context might be a reason to get angry at him (he's "doing research for a paper he's writing," which is probably true since he's run a magazine in the past, but still).

still think a lot about Quincy Jones claiming that Nazi Germany was fueled by cocaine

John Maus' importance has utterly passed me by, I have zero idea who he is, know no one who listens to his music, etc. Did this guy get indie prominence between the years of 2006 and say, 2018? because I didn't pay attention to shit then.

yes

The name John Maus means John Walker of the Walker Brothers to me. Also I confuse him with John Mayer, as I'm sure I must have mentioned on the Oh! I Always Get Those Two Mixed Up! thread.

yes, same, I thought it was that new dude from The Dead at first

I guess AP has been an asshole in plain sight for a while now, but one thing that obscured it a little for me was that he kept some pretty good company... like just two examples that occurred to me are Weyes Blood who seems to be a pretty morally together person... and I know he is (or was) pals with another female muso who is impeccably aware & progressive... I guess I figured these people wouldn’t have given him a free pass if he was genuinely as big a jerk as he appears in interviews. But I guess friendships are complex and multifaceted, there are probably some people I know with some murky views that I don’t bail up about it at dinner parties.

Dam-Funk's a pretty positive dude, and also AP collaborator. Same with Nite Jewel. In fact, the three of them seemed to have a little bit of an LA coterie. I've always liked their shared vibes.

When is the next batch out? Can it happen before he gets cancelled

― PaulTMA, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:52 (one year ago)

so close

henry s at 6:42 8 Jan 21

Dam-Funk's a pretty positive dude, and also AP collaborator. Same with Nite Jewel. In fact, the three of them seemed to have a little bit of an LA coterie. I've always liked their shared vibes

trigger warning but maybe read this about the scumbag sexually assaulting a woman in the audience, and go on Twitter and read numerous tweets by women in indie saying we were warning you about this guy before you start talking about "shared vibes"

https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76t96k/in_response_to_the_ariel_pink_story_from/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body


for fuck's sake

he did that very regularly in the before today tour from what i've heard, really fucked up

has he not been jumped multiple times before is what I want to know

ive made some terrible posts itt

I was told Vudi from AMC was playing with AP for a mo Ute after he moved to LA ages ago. Wonder what that was like. Was mystifying to me even then

what the absolute shit

Dropped by his label: https://variety.com/2021/music/news/ariel-pink-dropped-label-mexican-summer-trump-support-1234881742/

kind of ridiculous that this of all things was the last straw for them

Waiting to see if 4AD does the same.

(I mean, if they pull the one album they did with him)

Oh wait, several albums. wgaf about him I can't remember how many there were (their site only lists Pom Pom).

he did three with 4AD and has been on mexican summer since