Fugazi: C or D?

"this kind of wealth" - ROFLMAO

stay focused on the 1% dude, eyes on the prize

I've seen enough.... Ian MacKaye is Elon Musk.

Not even the richest DC punk rocker .

sorry in what sense is this not wealth. I suppose he's less rich than a few guys

dude I'm probably worth $1 mil on paper and I have $2K in the bank and no retirement

(to be fair >50% of that is my wife)

upper middle class =! the 1%

I don't really understand the meaning of "ok" in that sentence. Socialism isn't kashrut, it's not a series of laws about what are "ok" individual choices.

(putting aside that one is his vermont residence, one is his DC residence -- something every member of congress needs -- and one is I believe a lake house his wife inherited from her parents. It's not like they're deliberately accumulating properties)

"socialism" is full of normative judgments (eg exploitation is basically a bad thing), some of the theory crowd has always been a bit in denial about this

so the defensiveness is really not necessary and there is not really an "ok" level of accumulation including what I engage in. I suppose there are some fundamental differences of opinion about what constitutes being rich. the fact that someone is a capitalist (as in "I've got my own business") or that they own more property than most people ever will should not be controversial though

lol are you a Maoist?

that's like one step away from Cultural Revolution shit IMHO

THE LOCAL SHOPKEEPER IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE

Home ownership in America is somewhere around 65%.

And a home bought in 1981 or whenever in what has since become one of the most valuable real estate markets in the country is going to go way up, even if you never so much as mowed the grass.

thing is though, dischord just kind of *happened* like they put out their own 45s and then were like oh we should put out our friend's band and oh cool we broke even, so put out some more stuff and hey cool we made some money let's put out some more records

the idea that it was some kind of plan to be a capitalist and not just putting out music they thought should be heard that no one would put out - AND pre-internet when you had to get things manufactured and distribute physical products - seems ahistorical and unfair

and like you actually have to live somewhere, is owning a home morally wrong when the only option is to participate in the rental market? putting money in the hands of some real estate company?

Not everyone lives in America, believe it or not.

To explain Left's perspective, not Ian Mackaye's living arrangements.

I'm not a marxist-leninist but business owners are capitalists in the most literal descriptive sense and it's true that property ownership is a kind of wealth a lot of people won't ever see. I don't know what's so outrageous, is this still about mackaye or something else

well now that you've downgraded your blanket judgement from "most" to "a lot" I'd say I'm good

again this is like a pragmatist vs idealist debate, like a lot of ILX

yeah if I cared about more than dreaming I would get shit done, anyone can do it as long as they work hard enough and understand that in the real world you have to cut deals

being white / male with a college degree from that generation pretty much guarantees you this kind of net worth

guilty of being (rich) white (male)

(from that generation)

guilty of being (rich) white (male)

these new song titles for the deluxe reissue lay it on a bit thick imho

Anyone with a net worth of a million bucks or more (and MacKaye is probably significantly ahead of that given his career and age) is in fairly rarified air. The median net worth even for Boomers is like $200k and that’s all tied up in their home equity.

It’s a big who cares here but weird to dismiss a rich guy being rich with some hand waving ‘well evvvvvverybody is like that.’

lol Simon

I suppose there are some fundamental differences of opinion about what constitutes being rich.

agreed

what is the right amount of money to have?

I guess to me he's like "normal people rich" as opposed to like CEOs of big companies or investment dudes

like my job before this was at a small PR firm, like 11 employees including the owners, they are my reference for normal ppl rich

some good and interesting takes here but i'll still take the average imperfect and often ineffectual dyed-in-the-wool-cap MRR-style 90s leftist punk - who at least had their hearts and brains in the right place - over their modern counterpart who decries capitalism, corporatization, and wealth inequality while simultaneously sucking at the teet of Netflix, Spotify, Amazon, and Twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1ZVPOsX0AACj17.jpg

Rich vs wealthy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA4ufNSE7l0

thing is though, dischord just kind of *happened* like they put out their own 45s and then were like oh we should put out our friend's band and oh cool we broke even, so put out some more stuff and hey cool we made some money let's put out some more records

the idea that it was some kind of plan to be a capitalist and not just putting out music they thought should be heard that no one would put out - AND pre-internet when you had to get things manufactured and distribute physical products - seems ahistorical and unfair

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:02 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

and like you actually have to live somewhere, is owning a home morally wrong when the only option is to participate in the rental market? putting money in the hands of some real estate company?

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:04 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm and otm.

I probably spent something like 100$ on Fugazi/Dischord stuff over the past 10 years (with a 15% sales taxe, that's 15 for my two level of governments). That's why he has the net worth he does, that's pretty much it. I don't think there is anything sinister with that sort of transactions.

How would you all rate dischord in the pantheon of record labels just in terms of shipping product, keeping things in stock, paying people what they're owed on time, etc...?

A+ from all accounts

I listened to the 3hr Bandsplain episode on Fugazi on a recent long drive. I didn't learn a huge amount but Brandon Stosuy is good company and of course the tunes were great. Aside, but this daft Britisher is constantly surprised that Guy's name is pronounced (unvoiced G) Gee Pi-CHOT-oh.

Ha. This American living in DC area sometimes heard his last name pronounced multiple ways

I'm reading the 33 1/3 In On the Kill Taker and it's really good. I've had a day listening to lots of Egg Hunt and Rites of Spring. My god what a talented scene.

Has anyone dipped into the live archive? I've not and was hoping someone would know where to start...

This blog may help.

Perfect, cheers.

The first time I crossed the border from the North of ireland into the Republic was for the McGonagles gig that is talked about on the blog that is linked to by JRN. So 31 years ago last Friday. Thanks wouldn't have thought of that if i hadn't seen that.
& I think first time i came to Galway would be within about a week afterwards.

I’m still so sad to have missed the initial release (and thus the physical CD editions).

I grabbed the physical editions of at least the first set at the time, and iirc I think they're just CD-Rs (that Joe burned?) with the same basic reused artwork. Though honestly I haven't taken out the actual CDs for years, so maybe they're not CD-Rs? That's how I remember them at least.

If I can shill for one second. A friend of mine has just started up a new little bespoke label, and the first release is this collab between Brendan and sound artist Stephen Vitiello.

https://playneutral.bandcamp.com/

Mods are asleep, post Long Hair Ian: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU5hejWDRHj/

xpost: listening now, sounds cool!

this is really cool, thanks. Taylor Deupree involvement! and Rebecca Gates is thanked for some reason <3

Also, happy 20th birthday, The Argument!
https://www.stereogum.com/2164172/the-argument-turns-20/reviews/the-anniversary/