Oh come the fuck on, the US is a settler colony that commits genocides and coups elsewhere in the world to maintain it's economic interests all while upholding itself as a beacon of freedom and denying those who would ever critique it in a substantive way.
The US is and has been fascist.
― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 23:34 (three years ago) link
the "he seems to be ok with democracy" posts here have not aged well
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 23:34 (three years ago) link
I rather think it was other items in ilx poster lefts post that caused jim to snort tbf
― nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 23:36 (three years ago) link
I'm fascist Spartacus
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 23:38 (three years ago) link
People are surprised, they become indignant. They say: "How strange! But nevermind-it's Nazism, it will. pass!" And they wait, and they hope; and they hide the truth fromthemselves, that it is barbarism, but the supreme barbarism, the crowning barbarism thatsums up all the daily barbarisms; that it is Nazism, yes, but that before they were itsvictims, they were its accomplices; that they tolerated that Nazism before it was inflictedon them, that they absolved it, shut their eyes to it, legitimized it, because, until then, ithad been applied only to non-European peoples; that they have cultivated that Nazism,that they are responsible for it, and that before engulfing the whole of Western, Christiancivilization in its reddened waters, it oozes, seeps, and trickles from every crack.
What am I driving at? At this idea: that no one colonizes innocently, that no onecolonizes with impunity either; that a nation which colonizes, that a civilization whichjustifies colonization - and therefore force - is already a sick civilization, a civilization that ismorally diseased, that irresistibly, progressing from one consequence to another, onerepudiation to another, calls for its Hitler, I mean its punishment.
https://b-ok.cc/book/834691/7bf6cb?dsource=recommend
― ftp (Left), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 23:58 (three years ago) link
Césaire OTM, always OTM afaic.
― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:32 (three years ago) link
it's easy to look back in 2016 through the lens of 2021, but despite all of the troubling things he said/did in the lead-up to the election, in modern times, we couldn't really comprehend an autocratic leader like Trump. those of us, at least, who have never lived under one.
I was afraid as hell of him and I laid up scared at night when he won but I didn't foresee this. but there are things now I didn't have a clue about 4 years ago
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Thursday, 7 January 2021 01:04 (three years ago) link
I mean, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but understanding an autocratic leader like Trump isn't that difficult.
It's understanding the people who want an autocratic leader like Trump that did me in during 2016, and while it doesn't do me in now in the same way, it remains disheartening to say the least
― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 January 2021 02:01 (three years ago) link
Politics are big and confusing and scary, and a lot of people choose not to think about them in any way. Some people find relief in surrendering their thought to an external service provider.
― shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 7 January 2021 02:33 (three years ago) link
I have been saying that Trump would be a fucking disaster since before he was elected, even when I didn’t think he would win. No rational minority in this country is surprised by this shitshow; we are only surprised it didn’t happen to Obama.
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Thursday, 7 January 2021 02:37 (three years ago) link
I mean I knew he'd be a disaster, and was terrified of him winning, but I didn't expect "former reality TV star succeeds in getting minions to break into Senate building" on Nov 9th, 2016
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Thursday, 7 January 2021 02:41 (three years ago) link
i think a lot of things would be clearer/less blinkered about mainstream american political conversations come from the generic familiarity and blandness (tho not meaninglessness) of the two party names. if we had a multi-party system and/or continental party naming tendencies, and could see regularly how many reps and senators hailed from the straight up Patriot Strength Party or National Christian Conservative Homeland Party or whatever shit it would be called....
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 03:39 (three years ago) link
Or you could just be Black
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Thursday, 7 January 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link
Matt Goodwin is busy deleting tweets. pic.twitter.com/R5BoVL5DyY— Luke Dyks (@LukeDyks) January 6, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 January 2021 11:23 (three years ago) link
He should eat them
― Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 7 January 2021 11:29 (three years ago) link
@ DJP - fair!
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 12:01 (three years ago) link
In case you were wondering: yes, yes he is.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
I thought this was really good and expresses a lot of things I have felt but found difficult to put together.
http://newpol.org/is-it-still-fascism-if-its-incompetent/
This is inchoate fascism, fascism in its experimental, speculative phase, in which is forming a coalition of minoritarian popular forces with elements in the executive and the repressive wing of the state. It would be devastatingly stupid, complacent beyond belief, to expect US democracy to remain sufficiently stable in the coming years to deny this incipient fascism more opportunities to congeal, and grow.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:53 (three years ago) link
from 1994:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v16/n07/edward-luttwak/why-fascism-is-the-wave-of-the-future
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:43 (three years ago) link
I hate the term 'gaslighting' because I can never remember what it means. I wish there was a good trick using the visual cues of gas and lighting to help me remember; but I can't find a memorable connection of the cues and "sowing seeds of doubt to manipulate a targeted individual/group".
― THE DON IS GONE (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:53 (three years ago) link
Maybe a part of the problem is that people on the internet don't always use 'gaslighting' correctly.
― THE DON IS GONE (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link
lmgtfy
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link
I hate the term 'gaslighting' because I can never remember what it means.
never seen this term before, are you sure you're ok
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
lol
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
Very few if any such terms had much use to begin with except as shorthand for one person to miscommunicate to another, widespread use aint helped
― Ole Blueyes Solskjaer (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:18 (three years ago) link
IMO you've just described language
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link
"gaslighting" is an extremely useful and important term, especially for people who have been the victim of it!
a mnemonic device will probably remain elusive, since it's based on the title/plot details of a play about this form of abuse.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link
gaslighting is a useful term.
unfortunately it's now been co-opted on the net to mean "you are disagreeing with me".
but actual forms of gaslighting should be called out as such.
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
This discussion of Adorno’s writing on the Authoritarian Personality seems both helpful and relevant: https://leftanchor.podbean.com/e/episode-53-adorno-on-the-psychology-of-fascism/
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
in the US they called that play Angel Street.
glad it's not called "angelstreeting"
In the 80s, they called the act of falling in love with a coworker you initially hated “moonlighting”
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
Flopsy Duck, have you never seen the film "Gaslight?"
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
― DJI, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:27 (three years ago) link
widespread use aint helped
― Ole Blueyes Solskjaer (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:18 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:21 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
This works too
― Ole Blueyes Solskjaer (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
Whenever I read the definition for 'gaslighting' I forget it within a week or month. People use it all the time and I constantly have to relearn it. (I can't think of other words that give me such problems.)
Maybe the problem is that I developed a misleading mnemonic where I always visualize construction workers catcalling woman passing by (I don't even remember why) or gas headlights in old-timey cars.
― THE DON IS GONE (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
women*
― THE DON IS GONE (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link
I developed a misleading mnemonic where I always visualize construction workers catcalling woman passing by
"Hey hot stuff! Lookin' good, baby! I think you left the oven on! No, I think you are misremembering that you turned it off, I am pretty sure the oven is definitely still on, you could burn your house down! You should go in and check it! *whistles* You want fries to go with that shake? Why don't you wiggle back down to the house to check the oven? I know you are saying you turned it off but I think you're misremembering, it's definitely on!"
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:47 (three years ago) link
haha
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link
This helps :)
― THE DON IS GONE (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link
i think of someone turning the gas on but not lighting it, a little each day, so that someone gets nauseous and ill but doesn’t know why
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
i think of someone saying "can you pass the gaslight" and the other says "what gaslight?" and then first one says "oh, i guess you don't remember that either now"
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 18:16 (three years ago) link
I know about the play and movie but I confess that my main mental image of "gaslighting" involves, like, a Bic lighter and a frat bro in acid-washed jeans who thinks farting is hilarious
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
Mine is Ingrid Bergman, which I confess I prefer.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
your fart is Ingrid Bergman?
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
Notorious.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
Murder on the Orient Fartspress
― i'm so into fping right now (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
Lol.
I always think of someone shining a lamp in another person's face, the second person saying 'hey could you stop that,' and the first person going 'stop what' while continuing to shine the lamp.
― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
lol, not bad.
― Looks like I'm gonna be the filling in a missile sandwich! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
Robert Evans answers the thread premise with "no, but..."
Trump’s encouragement of violence against his opponents at home has been unsystematic. He has told his supporters to rough up reporters and suggested during the 2016 election campaign that his followers might like to make use of the Second Amendment of the US constitution (the right to bear arms) against Hillary Clinton. He has also described white supremacists as “good people”. But this bears no comparison to the hundreds of thousands of armed and uniformed stormtroopers and Squadristi that the Nazi and fascist leaders deployed on to the streets daily in the 1920s and early 1930s to intimidate, beat up, arrest, imprison and often kill political opponents.Hitler and Mussolini sought to transform their countries into perma-war states: a combination of education and propaganda on the one hand, and street-level violence and intimidation on the other, aimed to forge a new kind of citizen, one that was aggressive, regimented, arrogant, decisive, organised and obedient to the dictates of the state. GM Trevelyan poured scorn on Mussolini’s efforts to turn Italians into second-rate Germans, as the historian put it; but even in Germany this endeavour failed, except with a minority of Hitler’s most ardent followers.The society Hitler wanted was portrayed in the final minutes of Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will (1935), with endless serried ranks of uniformed SS troops marching across the screen like well-oiled automata. The reality was different, as the majority of Germans retreated from this dehumanising prospect into their own private lives.Trump by contrast has encouraged a warped vision of personal freedom: a society in which people aren’t subject to government regulation or supervision, where anarchy and confusion reign, self-restraint is abandoned, violence is unchecked, and self-aggrandising corruption permeates politics.
Hitler and Mussolini sought to transform their countries into perma-war states: a combination of education and propaganda on the one hand, and street-level violence and intimidation on the other, aimed to forge a new kind of citizen, one that was aggressive, regimented, arrogant, decisive, organised and obedient to the dictates of the state. GM Trevelyan poured scorn on Mussolini’s efforts to turn Italians into second-rate Germans, as the historian put it; but even in Germany this endeavour failed, except with a minority of Hitler’s most ardent followers.
The society Hitler wanted was portrayed in the final minutes of Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will (1935), with endless serried ranks of uniformed SS troops marching across the screen like well-oiled automata. The reality was different, as the majority of Germans retreated from this dehumanising prospect into their own private lives.
Trump by contrast has encouraged a warped vision of personal freedom: a society in which people aren’t subject to government regulation or supervision, where anarchy and confusion reign, self-restraint is abandoned, violence is unchecked, and self-aggrandising corruption permeates politics.
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2021/01/why-trump-isnt-fascist
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Saturday, 23 January 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link
fuck off bob
― Left, Saturday, 23 January 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link