We Still Have a Government, Right?: Canadian Politics 2020

Sorry, deaths per 1 000 000. 100k is more common ime.

What's the point of having a strict curfew if high schools are still running.

I don't really get the curfew logic in general? It feels like a symbolic gesture to get people to take the other restrictions seriously, but maybe I'm missing something

This is it yes.

The announcement is worse than yesterday’s leak since primary schools will be reopening on Monday and high schools a week later. This utterly defeats the purpose of a lockdown as far as I’m concerned. And before we get into this debate again, check out ‘Éclosions actives et terminées par milieu’:

https://www.quebec.ca/sante/problemes-de-sante/a-z/coronavirus-2019/situation-coronavirus-quebec/

Schools are not the biggest hotspots but they are part of the problem.

Ugh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFQdWQXMAMuw0-?format=png&name=360x360

staying on brand

xp It's an electoral trade, suburban households vs city households.

What's the point of having a strict curfew if high schools are still running.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, January 6, 2021 2:33 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

COVID is a night-owl

lol yes exactly this is why I am genuinely perplexed. Honestly, it feels like anti-lockdown protester bait

The French are doing it, so why can’t we!

Nah, Legault just can't close everything and he is just providing relief to families over everything because that's his constituency.

i live in montreal and have no problem with a short-term lockdown or keeping schools open

i assume that a lot of the more easily preventable spread of COVID is due to people who are NOT respecting the rules, rather than people who are. the curfew is an attempt to get through to them. it makes sense to me as a thing to try and i applaud trying different things (shrug)

I am very for a lockdown, same for the curfew, I just wish the restrictions were severe across the board, I live alone and I feel like my mental health is pulling the weight for parents to be able to have a relief from their kids.

literally all I want is an official explanation for it -- why try this specific thing? tbc I'm not pissed or anything, obvs the hospital situation is gravely dire right now

and yeah lockdowns and school restrictions are thumbs up from me

My wife is about to start substitute teaching at the high school level, so at this point it’s not so much a matter of if we’re getting covid as when.

@van horn street, setting aside the "parents need to work"/economy stuff, there's just the fact that kids suffer serious longterm detrimental effects from the closure of schools

<3 to you and your wife pom

Depends on the kid, maybe. I would have loved not going to school when I was little and bullied and alienated and hating every second I had to spend in the company of my so-called peers. I’m not saying this is true for most kids, far from it, but it’s something to bear in mind.

Thanks, rob.

<3 to all. These are trying times and we all view them through our own occasionally twisted lenses, I suppose.

Bear in mind that school is also a respite from broken homes.

On the bright side, homeless shelters will remain open.

And yeah while I won't buy the economy stuff, I did not think of the long term detrimental effects on kids.

yeah i am not on board with the economy piece either!

Apparently travelling down to the caribeans is still a-ok?

Tbf Legault did co-found Air Transat.

I since learned it's because air travel is a federal jurisdiction. Sorry about that.

It's been a day.

I've heard so many times today that this is the first time the Capitol building has been stormed since 1812. I know I should know this, but was that us?

define "us"

It was british north america yes, which would later become Canada.

Figured as much. Well, at least we're not being called out by name.

Can you guys come back

that's a revisionist misnomer

in 1812, united kingdom did not officially call it "british north america" (it took on this name much later after the durham report)

it was the province of upper canada and the province of lower canada, both with their own political agenda and culturally different

robert ross, who led the british troops to washington, d.c., was an irish man who pledged allegiance to the uk and was part of the british army

Enh, I’ll take it.

goin ham

https://www.tracesofwar.com/upload/5906190801160239.jpg

It was the British army, which wasnt composed of people purely from the North American colonies (all of whom would have identified their nationality as British)

it is interesting the role the war of 1812 plays in the formation of canadian identity, retrospectively at least. while it is a somewhat marginal, not particularly well-remembered part of the napoleonic wars in the uk.

isaac brock received a statue in the uk before horatio nelson, but i doubt hardly anyone would have heard of him now there, but nelson must be one of hte best remembered pre-20th century figures

it's kind of interesting. there are a few theories out there, but you'll always find people opposing different ones and picking their favourite

sticking to the facts, you have to remember most english-speaking "canada" at that time were british loyalists. the american loyalists who fled to "canada" at the time were also compensated quite well by the british empire. it was only quebec that didn't want to be part of the rebels or the british side or the american side, because of their religious difference. the british empire played their cards well with canada and managed to fill an icy, desolate land with mostly loyalists, though

that combined with very few truly canadian victories on the world stage drives some people to "appreciate" or "memorialize" the small part canadians had in defending the british empire and their territories

bring in socioeconomics and the cultural war into the mix and things get wackier

@van horn street, setting aside the "parents need to work"/economy stuff, there's just the fact that kids suffer serious longterm detrimental effects from the closure of schools

Getting back to this, I am just going to say that I am very much relieved that primary schools are going to open Monday as planned. I have a daughter in second grade who missed almost half of her first grade last year. Remote learning is very difficult at that age and I feel that she is nowhere near the level of where she should be normally in second grade. If schools closed for an extended time I can't help but feel that it would have long term consequences. And obviously there are a bunch of kids whose situation is much worse than my daughter's.

I also have a son who is in first year of secondary school (7th grade) and for him remote learning works reasonably well (not ideal, but at least seems to be working), so would not have a strong objection to pushing back the opening of high schools (though here also, I am sure that many kids will be much more affected by this than others).

Yup

It’s the high schools I’m complaining about!

It's an almost impossible call. But--my bias conceded--if you give teachers some vaccine priority (not the front of the line by any means, but midway, at least), it becomes much easier.

I’m not a parent so take what I’m about to say with a grain of salt but I think the lockdown would be more effective if there were fewer exceptions. As it stands, we are still implementing half-measures that will call for further lockdowns in the near rather than distant future, which feels shortsighted, including from a psychopedagogical perspective. I very much agree with Rima Elkouri’s take: https://lp.ca/zO4URa

Schools out in Ontario till Jan. 25.

https://www.cp24.com/news/elementary-school-students-in-southern-ontario-won-t-return-to-classrooms-until-jan-25-1.5257418

Can’t remember if I’ve posted this before, but it seems especially relevant ATM. A School of Public Policy paper on authoritarian populism in Canada: https://bit.ly/2XrT82p

only 32 cases of the flu in canada between april and december 2020

This seems 100% responsible and can not possibly end badly

https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/election-rigging/

hire a goddamn proofreader you idiots